David Harris Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I watched the center Harrison’s press conference the other day and it just struck me - I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many high character guys on the Jets. It’s one after the other of smart board room types who would pull over to help you with your flat and then do your taxes. I don’t know if this will help win a single game but the list of these guys on the starting roster is impressive: Harrison Osemele Beachum Shell Quincy Powell —— Anderson Mclendon! Leo Copeland Mosley Williamson Jenkins Adams Maye —— I don’t know if their “dawgs” but this grouping makes for a good locker room or at least the best Boy Scouts or maybe an appropriation subcommittee or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Who gives a ****? They’re NFL players not guidance councilors. I want the team to actually win not just look good in controlled meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Mangini, outside of a few boners, was able to marry these things. Leon Wash, Brad Smith, Eric Smith were all character guys who produced relative to their draft position. This is the better way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 There is a real fine line in this regard in getting character guys and character guys that can play. Also is a guy a bad seed or did he make one mistake in life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, David Harris said: I watched the center Harrison’s press conference the other day and it just struck me - I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many high character guys on the Jets. It’s one after the other of smart board room types who would pull over to help you with your flat and then do your taxes. I don’t know if this will help win a single game but the list of these guys on the starting roster is impressive: Harrison Osemele Beachum Shell Quincy Powell —— Anderson Mclendon! Leo Copeland Mosley Williamson Jenkins Adams Maye —— I don’t know if their “dawgs” but this grouping makes for a good locker room or at least the best Boy Scouts or maybe an appropriation subcommittee or something. This post makes me feel like I fell asleep during a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Who gives a ****? They’re NFL players not guidance councilors. I want the team to actually win not just look good in controlled meetings. Interesting take. I would like to subscribe to your podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Who gives a ****? They’re NFL players not guidance councilors. I want the team to actually win not just look good in controlled meetings. Character and chemistry matter in sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 im assuming u mean henry anderson? robby anderson is great but not a "character guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Crusher said: This post makes me feel like I fell asleep during a movie. I can see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Character and chemistry matter in sports. So does talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Wolverine. Spiderman. Ironman. Rin Tin Tin. Batman. Beetle Bailey. All high character guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Peace Frog said: Wolverine. Spiderman. Ironman. Rin Tin Tin. Batman. Beetle Bailey. All high character guys. Rin Tin Tin? Beetle Bailey? Damn, we bout same age I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, New York Mick said: So does talent But to discredit character in a locker room means that you have never been in a high level locker room before... Therefore you shouldn't have an opinion on character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Rin Tin Tin? Beetle Bailey? Damn, we bout same age I reckon. I’m 16 and 3/4ers. You too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Skeptable said: But to discredit character in a locker room means that you have never been in a high level locker room before... Therefore you shouldn't have an opinion on character. Let me guess you’re a professional athlete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 The last time we consistently drafted well was when the team followed this philosophy under Mangini. I'm happy to hear that Douglas and Gase have this mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Peace Frog said: I’m 16 and 3/4ers. You too? 15 and 340 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Crusher said: 15 and 340 I was left back 10th and 11th grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 13 hours ago, New York Mick said: Who gives a ****? They’re NFL players not guidance councilors. I want the team to actually win not just look good in controlled meetings. Teams that have players who care about each other, care about the name on the helmet play better than teams made up of players who play for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 13 hours ago, New York Mick said: So does talent So who says it's over or the other? That there's a choice between high character or talent? And really, this is an argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I'd rather have character and intelligence and talent rather than just talent in every instance possible. /endthread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 We don't know half the sh*t that goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 We haven’t won squat in 50 years. I would draft Charlie Manson’s great grandchildren at this point if they could get us to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Warfish said: I'd rather have character and intelligence and talent rather than just talent in every instance possible. /endthread This. If you can have all three traits great if not character is the least important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Jet Nut said: So who says it's over or the other? That there's a choice between high character or talent? And really, this is an argument? I’ll take a Ray Lewis or LT over a high character guy that’s not as good every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, New York Mick said: I’ll take a Ray Lewis or LT over a high character guy that’s not as good every time. Counter Argument: I'd rather lose than have Mike "Dogkiller" Vick on my team. Sometimes personal ethics/morals > Sports team fandom. I would accept the same argument from anyone who objects to say, a wife-beating player. It's important to keep sports in the appropriate place in ones life. It doesn't, and shouldn't, come before deeply held beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Warfish said: Counter Argument: I'd rather lose than have Mike "Dogkiller" Vick on my team. Sometimes personal ethics/morals > Sports team fandom. I would accept the same argument from anyone who objects to say, a wife-beating player. It's important to keep sports in the appropriate place in ones life. It doesn't, and shouldn't, come before deeply held beliefs. Unfortunately sports and entertainment lost the appropriate place in society along time ago that’s why they make millions to almost billions to do something that’s not beneficial to society. Where the line is drawn is a personal view. Murder, rape, fighting, drug use, domestic violence, kneeling etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 15 hours ago, New York Mick said: Let me guess you’re a professional athlete Was... semi-pro, and I was never saying character trumps talent... But having talent with a bad character leads to locker room troubles and ends up being toxic for a whole team... To discredit Character, like I said, shows that you have never understood or been in the dynamics of a team sport that isn't your rec league from home... Nobody here said or is saying that talent is a trait that isn't valuable or even more valuable then character... Think of it like a crazy/hot scale.... The hotter the woman is, the more crazy you are willing to tolerate but if the crazy goes above the curve it leads to getting stabbed with high heels wile you are sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Unfortunately sports and entertainment lost the appropriate place in society along time ago that’s why they make millions to almost billions to do something that’s not beneficial to society. Where the line is drawn is a personal view. Murder, rape, fighting, drug use, domestic violence, kneeling etc Yes. Exactly. I cannot control what society will accept, I can only control what I will accept and actively root for (an important distinction, we're not just being tolerant, we're rooting on a guy who may have done X, Y or Z). I'm generally quite libertarian, so I'm pretty tolerant/supportive of most legal things. But even I have exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, New York Mick said: I’ll take a Ray Lewis or LT over a high character guy that’s not as good every time. And how slow does this need to read? You can find good players who are high character. The choices aren't usually a great HOF player, who's a POS and a JAG. Andwhile we're at it, for all the talk about Ray Lewis, no one knows the story and until his case he never was close to being a character issue. Even high character players can have a f'up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Skeptable said: Was... semi-pro, and I was never saying character trumps talent... But having talent with a bad character leads to locker room troubles and ends up being toxic for a whole team... To discredit Character, like I said, shows that you have never understood or been in the dynamics of a team sport that isn't your rec league from home... Nobody here said or is saying that talent is a trait that isn't valuable or even more valuable then character... Think of it like a crazy/hot scale.... The hotter the woman is, the more crazy you are willing to tolerate but if the crazy goes above the curve it leads to getting stabbed with high heels wile you are sleeping. As I said in my response to Warfish. Who decides what’s considered character? I have more friends that stopped watching sports over kneeling then anything else. They overlooked child abuse, domestic violence, drug use, cheating, stealing or basically being a complete scumbag though. I’d rather have a guy that has elite talent and is a douche bag then a choirboy that is a jag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: I cannot control what society will accept, I can only control what I will accept and actively root for (an important distinction, we're not just being tolerant, we're rooting on a guy who may have done X, Y or Z). And it's amazing how our tolerances change in direct proportion to how good that player is. We'll toss aside a backup LB in a nano second. Then the same people will get totally pissed that Macc didn't run to sign K Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: And how slow does this need to read? You can find good players who are high character. The choices aren't usually a great HOF player, who's a POS and a JAG. Andwhile we're at it, for all the talk about Ray Lewis, no one knows the story and until his case he never was close to being a character issue. Even high character players can have a f'up. Obviously you can find good high character players but it wouldn’t be a deciding factor for me. I’ve met a lot of NFL player and other professional athletes when they’re not in a controlled setting and most of them are complete assholes and thugs that have low character. As I said it’s the NFL not guidance counseling. These guys get paid to beat the hell out of each other and be violent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Obviously you can find good high character players but it wouldn’t be a deciding factor for me. I’ve met a lot of NFL player and other professional athletes when they’re not in a controlled setting and most of them are complete assholes and thugs that have low character. As I said it’s the NFL not guidance counseling. These guys get paid to beat the hell out of each other and be violent. I've worked with athlete's and have to admit I don't agree with you. Messier, Richter, Kovalev, Gary Carte, K Hernandez, R Cano, B Williams, Klecko, Strahan, B Harper, Simms, Boomer, I can keep going. All really nice, polite guys. Characterizing most as completed shlt is not true. Most know the difference between hitting someone violently on the field it ice and in real life. You can believe what you want but maybe should ask yourself why everyone else gets it and you're the only one thinking it's ok for a team to be made up of low lifes and not see how it effects a team. Until we lose and a S Richardson complains about someone or B Marshall complains about players hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKnight83 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 17 hours ago, New York Mick said: So does talent Tell that to Dan Marino and Scam Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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