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Just now, Defense Wins Championships said:

Bill Belichick has coached 8.2 yards without the GOAT. 

How many playoff games has your Bill Belichick won without Tom Brady? 

???

He’s not my bill Belichick.  I’m simply acknowledging he’s the greatest coach ever in any sport

 

How many Super Bowls did Bill Walsh win without Montana?

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On 3/27/2020 at 4:31 PM, UntouchableCrew said:

Bill Belichick is the greatest football coach of all time and the Pats will win the AFC East again in 2020.

You're wrong. 

N.E finished 3rd place of the AFC East (BB was only better than Adam Gase).

He's not the "greatest" but he is the biggest fraud. 

All-Time great HC's don't go 61-72 (.458%) without the GOAT QB. 

What happened to "2020 AFC East Champions"?!?!?

Loser couldn't even go 8-8. 

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On 3/27/2020 at 6:26 PM, Defense Wins Championships said:

Sure he will. 

I mean....

He's only coaches a full 7 years without Tom Brady while A.) Going 0/7 in division titles and B ) 0/7 in making the playoffs...

During his 7 full seasons of no Tom Brady. 

A Bradyless coach in BB has never once "won his division" and/or "made the playoffs" without #12 but yet he's had 7 cracks @ it (without #12) and has swung and missed all 7 times (.000%).

So what makes you think you even have the right to sit here and say "Pats will win the AFC East again in 2020" when he's 0-7 without #12 to begin with? 

This is weird to me....

QFT. 

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On 3/27/2020 at 6:33 PM, Losmeister said:

Last year when the LynchGase thing was in full effect, I mentioned at least a half dozen times that Bill and Pete were both HC's with losing records over more than 3 years in the NFL...    as was Baby Shanny....    

What is Pete Carroll w/o Russell Wilson???

 

 

Pete Carroll's record is better without Russe Wilson than BB's is without Brady...

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On 3/27/2020 at 7:01 PM, UntouchableCrew said:

Umm, it's my opinion, doofus. I have the right to say whatever I want.

You're focused too much on stuff from the early 90s with the Browns that doesn't matter at all.

Without Brady in the last 15 years the Pats are what, 14-6? Thats the type of team they'll be going forward, the same type of team they were with Matt Cassel or Jimmy Garappolo.

"Doofus"?

Who's this doofus now?

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Doofus. 

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12 minutes ago, Albaniajet said:

He’s not my bill Belichick.  I’m simply acknowledging he’s the greatest coach ever in any sport

 

How many Super Bowls did Bill Walsh win without Montana?

Why won't you answer my question?

How many playoff wins after 8.2 years does Belly have without Tom Brady?

Answer my question and I'll answer yours ?

When did you start watching sports?

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On 3/27/2020 at 7:56 PM, #27TheDominator said:

I like the part where he found out that Bill Belichick didn't go to any super bowls without Tom Brady, but hehad to dig deeper to find out that he didn't have any super bowl MVPs.

But Tom Brady is 1-0 and/or 100% and/or .1000% at making the SB and winning SB MVPs without the fraud (Bill Belichick).

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On 3/28/2020 at 10:40 AM, y2k8 said:

You rest your case by using statistics from 20 years ago.

 

Listen, I wish you were right. I wish for the Patriots to suck, but but BB is light years from 2000 - no one does more with less than him.

 

I would love nothing more than for you to bump this thread in January and rest your case then, but I wouldn't be taking a vistory lap just yet.

 

 

Well it's July and I'm bumping it now. 

I was right. 

I hope you're happy and enjoying this thread as much as I am ?

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On 3/28/2020 at 11:47 AM, Jet Nut said:

Who cares?  I can do this with almost every multiple SB winning HC's.  How many did Walsh win without Montana? 

How many wouldn't he have won without Brady?  Want to prove he wouldn't have any or how many he wouldn't have won with someone else at QB?

No way to prove it. 

Do you just like to go out of your little way to disagree with every thought I have? 

Tom Brady just proved it. 

Tom Brady won a SB during year #1 away from the fraudulent Bill Belichick and the fraud Bill Belichick just completely missed the playoffs without the GOAT (as always).

Bill Belichick is now 61-72 All-Time loser without Tom Brady (.458%). 

Bill = 8.2 seasons without Tom Brady and only has 1 Wildcard Win (8 years) and 7 seasons of 0 playoffs (8 years). 

Do you not know how to comprehend or something or are you just a ??

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On 3/29/2020 at 11:50 AM, Jet Nut said:

So what the hell does this prove?  That he was a bad HC back then or didnt have talent back then?  

Again who cares, when he changed or when he had talent he won.  Point is he won.  If you dont think hes a good HC, one of the best off of this part of his career I dont know what to tell you.  You can hate him because for lots of good reasons but you know hes a top HC.  This is all pointless and doenst change 6 SB rings out of 9 tries.  No one is close.  Accept it

You were wrong. 

Just went 7-9 and finished 3rd in the AFC East

 He's now 61-72 without Tom Brady and 8.2 years later without Brady still = 0 SB wins. 

.458% without Tom Brady. 

You don't know what you were talking about. 

Accept it. 

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On 3/28/2020 at 12:07 PM, TuscanyTile2 said:

As much as we may dislike BB, the guy is the GOAT HC (though, admittedly, who knows how much cheating was involved).  Someone else in this thread pointed out that a lot of HCs barely win anything with great QBs (e.g. Shula only made 1 SB with Marino and he didn't win it) while BB has won 6 (and appeared in 9) with Brady. 

He's not the "GOAT HC" however he is the biggest fraud. 

He's 61-72 without Tom Brady (.458%).

Now quick. Hurry. 

Look at Andy Reid's record without Patrick Mahomes and guess what? Andy Reid absolutely embarrasses the fraud Bill Belichick. 

Tom Brady just won a Championship during only his 1st year away from the fraudulent BB...

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On 3/29/2020 at 11:25 AM, Barry McCockinner said:

Has it ever occurred to you that Bill Belichick has learned with experience over the last 30 years and may have evolved as a coach? Do you think it's possible that he's not the same coach today that he was when he was with the Browns learning about what being a head coach means? Do you actually think he spent the last 20 years getting carried by Tom Brady and is now going to revert to the Browns version of Bill Belichick? Do you think it was all Tom Brady that made the Patriots the longest dynasty in NFL history? Coaching had nothing to do with it?

Get real. 

Bill Belichick is the easily the best coach in the division. Adam Gase can't hold his jock strap.

Bill Belichick was the 3rd best coach without Brady last year. 

And yes. 30 years later and he's still the same loser as he was in Cleveland before Tom Brady. 

He just went 7-9 without Tom Brady and completely failed at making the playoffs. 

He's now 61-72 All-Time loser without Tom Brady CARRYING him.

.458% with 12 different QBs is no small sample size after 8.2 years of no Tom Brady. 

1 playoff season without Brady (wildcard win). 

7 seasons without Brady of 0 playoff appearances. 

He's...

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3 hours ago, Albaniajet said:

He’s not my bill Belichick.  I’m simply acknowledging he’s the greatest coach ever in any sport

 

How many Super Bowls did Bill Walsh win without Montana?

Greatesr coach? Doesn't seem like to to me what coaching did he really do? Insert Tom Brady and get a ring , if that is coaching I'm the greatest coach too

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On 3/27/2020 at 2:06 AM, Defense Wins Championships said:

I would like to tell an NFL Football story. An NFL story with deep roots featuring a time line; with hopes that one day my story will get published and/or within the hands of Bill Belichick himself (kidding). 

Throughout this post I will paint an image within the form of a picture not only verbally but also statistically speaking in regards to the NFL head coaching career of Bill Belichick while consting of nothing but actual circumstances surrounding Bill Belichick's fraudulent NFL coaching career both 'before and after' Tom Brady {with no lies. All facts. Nothing fabricated}. 

~ I'm 34 years old as of today (born in 1985).

~ I was only 24-25 years of age and living in Florida during our 2009-2010 runs under Rex Ryan (you all gave me the nickname of "stats" during those crazy exciting Jet years back then).

~ And I remember like yesterday I was just a 16 year old kid back in 2001 during the birth of #12. Just a kid born and raised in South Ozone Park Queens on the same block as Glen Morris (P.S.100) and a kid who just so happened to love watching N.Y Jet games down in the basement with my older brother. 

Week 2, 2001:                                 

Mo Lewis lands a shot that would be heard around the world almost 20 years later.

Down goes Drew Bledsoe.               

Jet fans celebrated a 10-3 win over Bill Belichick and his N.E Patriots who was now 0-2 during his 2nd year in N.E after coming off of a losing 5-11 season just the year before (along with being swept by our 2000 Jets team during his 1st year in New England).

As a fan base we were just happy to see a veteran with SB experience in Drew Bledsoe leave the game with a season ending injury all while the kid rookie Tom Brady came in and only went 5/10 (50%) for 46 yards with 0 TD's/0 INT"s and a QB Rating of only 62.9; we as an NYJ fan base probably mocked N.E's backup and new starting QB, on that day. 

Heading into week 3 Bill Belichick was (at the time) a career losing head coach while within his 7th year as an NFL H.C featuring a career losing head coaching record of being 16 games below .500 @ 41-57 overall (.418%) and only one wildcard postseason appearance (1-1); along with a 1-4 career record head to head vs. our Jets (and 0-3 vs. NYJ as Patriots head coach). 

And then it happened.

Tom Brady happened.

A young Tom Brady made his first NFL career start during a week 3 matchup vs. #18 Peyton Manning and his Indianapolis Colts; and N.E won by the score of 44-13 during Brady's 1st ever NFL career star: while Belly & N.E improved to 1-2 on the season (a coincidence - I think not). 

A legend was born on that day.

Tom Brady right before our eyes went on to become the greatest NFL Quarterback of All-Time and has since gone on to win as many NFL Championships as #23 Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls did throughout the 1990's with six NBA rings (however #12 is still going strong and just signed a two year contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for only two years but yet is worth $50,000,000 @ the age of 42). 

Bill Belichick a defensive guy never even knew what he really had in Brady if so he doesn't allow his front office to pass on the Michigan kid not only once but six different times as Brady was their 7th pick during the 6th round of Bill's 2000 NFL draft. 

Tom Brady: The Greatest QB of All-Time (see below).

Career accomplishments: 

9 SB appearances (6-3 record).
6x SB winner.
4x SB MVP
3x League MVP.
14x Pro Bowler.
3x First-team All-Pro.
2x Second-team All-Pro.
2x NFL Offensive Player of the Year.
1x NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
4x NFL Passing TD leader.
3x NFL passing yards leader.
1x NFL completion percentage leader.
Sporting News Athlete of the Decade (2010's).
NFL 2000's All-Decade Team.
NFL 100th anniversary All-Time Team.
 

Career Statistics:

9,998 passing attempts. 
6,377 completions.
63.8% career completion percentage.
541 TD's only 179 INT's.
74,571 career passing yards.
97.0 career QB Rating.                         

Career Record of 219-64 (.773%).      


Regular Season:

• Most games won by a quarterback: 219.

• Most games 2+ touchdown passes: 173.

• Most individual players throwing a touchdown pass to: 77.

• Greatest touchdown to interception ratio in a season: 28:2.

• Most wins on the road by a quarterback: 98.

• Most wins at home by a quarterback: 121.

• Only quarterback to have three consecutive games of 300+ passing yards, 3+ Touchdown-passes and 0 interceptions.

√ Oldest quarterback to lead the league in passing yards: 40 years old.

√ Most yards in a single season for a quarterback aged 40 and older with 4,577 passing yards: 40 years old.

✓ Oldest player to ever win NFL MVP Award: 40 years old.

✓ Oldest position player to be named First-team All-Pro: 40 years old. 

• Most career passing yards with one team: 74,571 passing yards. 

• Most career passing touchdowns with one team: 541 TD's.

• Most Pro Bowl Selections: 14 (tied).

• Most seasons quarterbacking for one team: 19.

• Most seasons as passing touchdowns leader: 4 (tied).


Playoffs

• Most postseason games played: 41.

• Most playof games started: 41.

• Most postseason games won by a starting quarterback: 30.

• Most consecutive playoff wins to start off a career by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)

• Most postseason career home wins by a starting quarterback: 20 (2001–2019)

• Most consecutive home playoff wins by a starting quarterback: 9 (2013–2019)

• Most postseason touchdown passes: 73 TD's.

• Most playoff passing yards: 11,388 passing yards.

•™Most postseason passing yards in a single playoff game: 505 (Super Bowl LII).

• Most playoff passes completed: 1,025.

• Most postseason passes attempted: 1,626.

• Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 16.

• Most NFL conference championship game appearances by a starting quarterback: 13.

• Most NFL conference championship game wins by a starting quarterback: 9.

• Oldest Quarterback to win an AFC title game: 41 years, 5 months, 17 days.

• Most career postseason 300+ passing yard games: 16.

• Most playoff game-winning drives: 13.

• Most multi-TD postseason passing games: 23.

                                                                    Super Bowl

• Most SB touchdown passes: 18.

• Most SB passing yards: 2,838.

• Most SB passes completed: 256.

• Most SB passes attempted: 392.

• Most SB wins as starting QB: 6.

• Most SB wins as a player: 6

• Most SB passes completed during the first half of a Super Bowl game: 20.

• Most SB passes completed in a single Super Bowl game: 43.

• Most SB passes attempted in a single Super Bowl game: 62.

• Most SB passing yards in a Super Bowl game: 505.

•Most Super Bowl appearances: 9.

• Most passing attempts without an interception in a single Super Bowl: 48.

• Oldest QB to start a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, 0 days.

• Oldest QB to win a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, 0 days.

• Oldest player to win an NFL Super Bowl MVP: 39 years, 6 months, 2 days.

• Most consecutive SB completions during a single Super Bowl game: 16.

• Most SB game-winning drives: 6. 

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✓ Tom Brady truly saved Bill Belichick's coaching career (see below): 

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Bill Belichick (without Tom Brady):
117 games coached (7.3 years).
Losing record of 54-63 (.461%).
0x league MVP's (despite 10 different QB's not named #12).
1 Playoff appearance.
1-1 Postseason record (50%).
0 Super Bowl appearances.
0 Super Bowl titles.
0x Super Bowl MVP's (despite 10 different QB's not named #12).

As you can (now) see, Bill Belichick has coached alongside of 10 different starting Quarterbacks not named Tom Brady throughout his NFL head coaching career and has never once been able to consistently win without #12 under center.

ala Kosar (11-18),

Philcox (2-3),

Tomczak (4-4),

Testaverde (16-15),

Rypien (2-1),

Zeier (1-3),

Bledsoe (5-13),

Cassel (10-5),

Garoppolo (2-0),

Brissett (1-1). 

• 7.3 years of coaching (without #12).       

• 2 winning seasons.                                     

• 5 losing seasons.                                         

• 54-63 career losing record (.461%).         

• 1 postseason appearance (1-1).               

• 6 season(s) of no playoff appearances

54-63 without Tom Brady All-Time (and only 18-19 in N.E without #12).

He can not win without him and never has even ever came close to sniffing one without him. 

And during that one infamous full season in which Bill Belichick had to actually coach N.E again after Brady emerged out of nowhere (6th round) he once again, completely failed to make the playoffs (as always) while N.E's offensive attack fell off of a cliff from just the season before w/Brady (see below). 

2007: Tom Brady.
16-0 (SB loss).
398/578 (68.9%).
4,806 passing yards.
50 TD passes.
8 INT's (same as 2019).
21 sacks.
117.2 QB Rating.

2008: Matt Cassel.
11-5 (completely missed the playoffs).
327/516 (63.4%).
3,693 yards.
21 TD passes.
11 INT's.
47 sacks (#12 made NE's O-Line way better).
89.4 QB Rating.

• From a SB appearance to no playoffs at all.
• 5 more loses than just the year before.
•-5.5 differential in completion %.
• -1,113 differential in passing yards.
• -29 differential in TD passes.
• -3 differential in INT's thrown.
• -26 differential in sacks allowed.
• -27.8 differential in QB Rating.

Coincidence - I think not. 

But yet even after a postseasonless regular season run that ended in a seasonal failure and an offensive decline across the board somehow some way it's still "Bill Belichick" who gets all the credit for Matt Cassel going 10-6 despite Matt Cassel himself also going 10-6 just two years later (2010) with Kansas City and not only did Cassel make the playoffs but he won the division along with a Pro Bowl selection to Honolulu and a much better QB Rating than in N.E; none of which Belly could get out of him.

And Jimmy G doesn't need Belichick either as he's developed under Brady and coming off of a SB run. 

Hoodie gets all the ESPN Media hype but it's been coaches and offensive coordinators in Charlie Weis and Josh McDaniels who've been the one's coaching him up and working alongside Cassel/Jimmy and Brady since day one who deserve more offensive credit surrounded N.E's success. 

All while Bill the miserable man pretty much ignored Tom for many of years never even went as much as complimenting Brady as a legendary QB - Brady's words, not mine (as jealousy creates envy). 

Before McDaniels was Tom's OC - he was his QB coach.

And it's Charlie Weis who during Brady's very beginning(s) during his golden boy era days (our 1998 OC for Vinny, Martin, Keyshawn and Chrebet) deserves so much credit for the kids early success - all while a so called defensive guru and a defensive master mind and an X's and O's genius already had great defensive building blocks in place and waiting for him in New England before first arriving in N.E with the likes of Teddy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Lawyer Miloy and Ty Law (lol sounds like a Bill Parcells led defense) and even Adam Vinatieri was already a Patriot before the arrival of BB.

Topic for another conversation. 

 

But for the NFL fans who claim and state that it's been Belly & N.E's defense over the recent years that's carried Brady and N.E's offense all while an aging Brady has looked "washed up" and "broken" etc etc, all because of one one recent 2019 fluke season of having a #1 Rated Defense just means that they're simply unaware.

They've already lost 4 of those #1 defensive starters too. 

2018 NE Defense: 21st.

2017 NE Defense: 29th.

2016 NE defense: 8th.

2015 NE Defense: 9th.

2014 NE Defense: 13th.

etc. 

Also over Brady's last two years he's gone (see below)...

32 starts (including playoffs).
        

26-10 record (72.2%).                     

• 748/1183 (62.2%).                                             

• 8,412 passing yards.                                         

• 53 TD's/19 INT's (5.8-to-1 TD-INT ratio).  •QB Rating of 92.5.

2018 (SB win): Only two years ago. 

Brady and N.E's offense ranked 8th in regular season passing yards (within a passing league) and ranked 4th in offensive points scored only behind K.C/Rams/Saints. That same offense went on to erupt come postseason play and ranked (1st) in playoff passing yards per game and (2nd) in postseason points scored per game (only behind K.C) on their way to their last SB win (2018).

All while their last SB winning team (of 2018) on defense under Bill ranked 21st in total defense for yards allowed and 22nd against the pass (within a passing lead) and 7th in points allowed (due to always playing with a lead).

Washed up?

I think not (and neither does Tampa Bay). 

• The days of Brady to either one of Givens, Patten, Branch, Troy Brown, Faulk, Moss/Gronk/Hernandez/Welker/Edelman and even little Danny Woodhead are now a thing of the past and now long gone and will soon become a distant memory just as once Namath left the Jets, Kelly leaving Buffalo and Miami losing Marino (we all immediately began to struggle horrendously after the departures of 3 HOF Quarterbacks).

And now it's N.E turn (Belly or not) as they've just lost the greatest one of them all (sorry Joe). 

• All while leaving Bill without himself a Superstar Quarterback penciled in.

Once again Bill is without a star QB and that's only due to the Jimmy trade that Bill himself feared and begged his owner Kraft for it not to happen before the Jimmy G trade to SF finally did happen. 

Tom was not happy with Bill for attempting to just ship him out of N.E like that and that's when Tom Brady himself had a first hand chance to see mumbles disloyalty towards him and that's even  after once saving the man's coaching career (week 3, 2001, vs. Indy). Brady is extremely competitive. That pissed him off. He wanted out immediately. And couldn't wait to leave his coach high and dry and without a QB @ the same time (his CLE Browns' days say hello). 

And there you have it. Not too much more you can really cover regarding Bill Belichick other than digging much deeper into Spygate and other league violations although he was the very greatest to ever manipulate the injury report quite like he's manipulated it he also became the only head coach to lose not only one 1st round draft pick but two 1st's due to specifically ****"*cheating******. 

The hoodie is truly a miserable career loser and without riding Brady's greatness he's never been anything outside of below mediocre who even still had to cheat multiple times (started off with camera men in bushes before then pressuring and forcing at the time a very young and innocent kid QB into cheating for him just to keep his roster spot Brady was forced to keep his lips tight as were Bill's locker rooms outside of Gronk) just to show the world just how scum of a loser he really was. They say cheaters never win and he's never won squat without the greatest of All-Time. 

With no...

Jim Kelly. 

Dan Marino. 

Tom Brady. 

The AFC East is now wide open and ripe for the picking for the first time in just about 20 years due to a Bradyless division.

 

Damn, you really have shortened your posts?. Good job lol 

But seriously, are you OK dude? You just bumped your own thread from last year to pat yourself on the back and then proceeded to reply (mostly by yourself) to your old thread like 50 times.

I got love for ya D-Dub, but this is like some real manic af posting... ?

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27 minutes ago, freestater said:

I think he's going full circle. Started as a Fins fan, went to the Jets, and is ready to become a Bucs fan. Good luck, folks over at BucsInsider.com....

I sure hope so. He’s ruining the board just in time for camp.

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3 hours ago, MichaelScott said:

Damn, you really have shortened your posts?. Good job lol 

But seriously, are you OK dude? You just bumped your own thread from last year to pat yourself on the back and then proceeded to reply (mostly by yourself) to your old thread like 50 times.

I got love for ya D-Dub, but this is like some real manic af posting... ?

 

1 hour ago, JiFapono said:

What a ******* whack job...

 

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

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1 hour ago, freestater said:

I think he's going full circle. Started as a Fins fan, went to the Jets, and is ready to become a Bucs fan. Good luck, folks over at BucsInsider.com....

 

43 minutes ago, shuler82 said:

I sure hope so. He’s ruining the board just in time for camp.

Seriously dude. What happened to I'm not getting suspended anymore, new poster, etc? What you're doing with this thread is seriously pretty freakin nuts. This thread is boarderline the single thread version of jetsrule128 being the only poster, talking to himself on JI 

I hope to God not to find out @Albaniajetis you...

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8 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Yup. Exposed! 

Just kike I said he'd become exposed too. 

First year without BB in Tampa Bay and Tom Brady wins a Super Bowl! And I predicted it too. 

Another year without Brady? And Bill has another LOSING season and I predicted it too with no playoffs. 

You really don't know too much about Brady and Belichick, do you? 

Yeah, Im the one who "really don't know too much about Brady and Belichick" because Brady won playing on a loaded team while Belichick didnt with with a team with a lot of holes, no defense and Cam.  Proves everything, proves Belichick is a fraud.  You got it.  Exposed, just like you said.  And wait  Nostradamus now your predicting the pats will have a losing season and wont make the playoffs?

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8 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Belly just got exposed as a fraud and went 7-9 while the GOAT won his 7th ring and 1-0 @ winning SBs without your FRAUD. 

Yeah except that proves nothing.  Your logic doesnt work

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah, Im the one who "really don't know too much about Brady and Belichick" because Brady won playing on a loaded team while Belichick didnt with with a team with a lot of holes, no defense and Cam.  Proves everything, proves Belichick is a fraud.  You got it.  Exposed, just like you said.  And wait  Nostradamus now your predicting the pats will have a losing season and wont make the playoffs?

I will say that it puts him right next to his old boss when it comes to "buying the groceries". He's a vastly overrated GM, despite his bones as a coach. Has anybody ever pulled off successfully, the dual role? His ego, like his boss', may prove his undoing. Regardless of it's veracity,  I'll enjoy a media pile on of questioning his legacy whilst stroking DB12. Can't wait for the pats fans to start chanting Bill Must Go! Bill Must Go! Wanna know why?

Because Bill Belichick is a scumbag. 

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No sense in trying to argue this one out. As I said just about every jets fan would’ve preferred the bellichicken to any other coach since parcells. Hard to say he’d be chosen over saleh because of age etc.  this whole coaching thing just isn’t that successful without players.  Want to say the patsies were just all about Brady? You can’t. He was certainly a big part but he also had a good supporting cast. They go hand in hand.  And good teams will attract better players.

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49 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah, Im the one who "really don't know too much about Brady and Belichick" because Brady won playing on a loaded team while Belichick didnt with with a team with a lot of holes, no defense and Cam.  Proves everything, proves Belichick is a fraud.  You got it.  Exposed, just like you said.  And wait  Nostradamus now your predicting the pats will have a losing season and wont make the playoffs?

 

47 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah except that proves nothing.  Your logic doesnt work

 

 Don't play into it!  

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