flgreen Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jet2020 said: Every QB under Gase looked bad unless he was a first ballot HoF. Sam showed promise his first season but not so much after that. Reason? Go figure. We will save $1mil in cap by trading him away. No deal there. Enough already with the ‘Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back’ narrative By Robby Sabo - 01/13/2020 ESNY Graphic, Getty Images For the love of all things sane, stop. Enough already. New York Jets head coach Adam Gase didn’t hold Ryan Tannehill back. Enough already. If I have to come across one more tweet attempting to draw up the “Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back narrative” I may have to call it quits. Shut it down. Close the laptop and leave the country. (A lot of folks may like that idea—if only to avoid rational thought in order to continue hating the most popular figures to despise.) In no way is it surprising. After all, this is Twitter. This is the new world of sports media. This is the agenda-driven land of publicity-seeking activity. It’s just utterly disappointing. By now, it would make sense that technology has helped us move forward in our sports-loving intelligence… at least a tad. But alas, Tannehill’s 2-0 record in the NFL Playoffs has the New York Jets head coach on the fandom hot seat, yet again, and he’s watching from home like the majority of the NFL. The argument goes a little like this: Tannehill, now free from the Gase shackles of yesteryear, is flourishing before our very eyes. His Tennessee Titans, after knocking off Tom Brady’s New England Patriots and Lamar Jackson’s Baltimore Ravens, are just the latest and greatest evidence of a football team (and quarterback) thriving under such conditions not created by Adam Gase. As previously mentioned at the top… enough already. The notion is completely preposterous, and whether you’re on board with the Jets head coach, bitterly despise the man or remain completely indifferent, Tannehill’s recent play signals very little as it relates to the Jets embattled sideline boss. Ryan Tannehill played in just 24 of a possible 49 games under Gase Ryan Tannehill played in a total of 24 of a possible 49 NFL games under Adam Gase. Case closed. This stat is literally all that’s needed to shut down one of the most ridiculous narratives in football history. Availability is the best attribute in this game and, unfortunately for the duo that was Gase-Tannehill, the quarterback rarely played. In 2016, Tannehill played in 13 of the Miami Dolphins’ 16 games. He threw 19 touchdowns to 12 interceptions while tallying 2,995 yards through the air to go along with a 67.1 completion percentage. After starting 1-4, they won six straight under the rookie head coach and a brand new system. Miami qualified for the playoffs that season and the Tannehill-led Fins were 8-5 before his injury—an ACL that cost him a playoff game and the entire 2017 campaign. They could muster just one win over the last three weeks and fell in the wild card round with Matt Moore under center. He came back in 2018 and threw 1,979 yards to go along with a 17-9 TD/INT ratio in just 11 games. Again, injuries derailed the season. After starting the season 3-0, Tannehill, Gase and the Dolphins lost the next two. The QB would go onto miss the next five weeks due to injury, before finishing out the campaign in disastrous fashion. Tannehill’s numbers under Adam Gase in Maimi are as follows: 4,974 yards, 38 touchdowns, 21 interceptions in just 24 games. In 12 games in Tennessee, Tannehill put up 2,742 yards with 22 scores and just six interceptions. The numbers are extremely comparable. Even if slightly better in Tennessee, to place it all on the previous head coach rather than understanding how vastly superior Tannehill’s supporting cast is now (No. 3 rushing attack, excellent defense, excellent offensive line) would be a foolhardy action. But more importantly, in what world is any offensive mind expected to develop a quarterback when he plays in fewer than half of the available team games? He’s not lighting it up in the tournament Tannehill has played solid football over two road games in these NFL Playoffs. While no man or woman should dare dream of taking that away, focus in a little more on how Mike Vrabel’s squad came out as the victors in each game. Derrick Henry has beasted his way to tournament immortality. He’s rushed for 182 and 195 yards en route to rushing dominance over the opponents. The Titans rarely throw the ball and, when they do, it’s as safe as it gets. This Tennessee offensive line is far superior to Miami’s under Gase and with Tannehill prior, which makes the system (run-first) much more quarterback-friendly. Tannehill has put up a total of 160 yards and three touchdowns to one interception over the two wins. The man hasn’t thrown for 100 yards in either of the games. Oh yeah, he also finished 7-for-14 and 8-for-15 in the two games, respectively. Has he suddenly been transformed? Even further, where was this superstardom under Joe Philbin prior to Gase’s arrival? Come on, folks; drop the agenda and start drilling in on actual football discussion. The most impressive part about the Titans journey is the rushing attack offensively and Vrabel’s scheming on the other side of the ball. What they did to Jackson and the Ravens No. 1 offense was downright spectacular. Vrabel sacrificed his pass rush in order to stop the Ravens. Even when they were rushing four, they weren’t. No edge man ever allowed himself to travel too far downhill and never went beyond Jackson in the pocket. They contained him with every rusher, flooded the middle zones (while simultaneously using them as spies) and dared Jackson to throw outside-the-numbers—something he struggles to do on a consistent basis. What no defense could do this season, Vrabel and the Titans did on Saturday, yet Gase holding Tannehill back was trending on Twitter. Final thoughts It’s not complicated. Throw the agendas out and look at this thing objectively. Tannehill is playing solid football. He’s also not the driving force behind the Titans’ two stunning victories. Jets fans can hate their head coach all they want, but if they use such a weak and agenda-driven narrative as evidence as to why he’s no good for Sam Darnold and their team, they’re simply doing themselves a grave disservice. Such a narrative can be flipped, too. Why isn’t it a credit to Gase that Tannehill (now healthy) is thriving? What if it was Gase who helped him get over his fully lost season via injury? It’s all nonsense. Welcome to the sports media world that is 2020. Welcome to Twitter, the wasteland of garbage takes aimed for a publicity objective. Stop with the “Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back” narrative. It’s complete garbage. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, whodeawhodat said: I think that some posters here forget he plays the most premium of all premium positions. I figure at least a couple of GMs look at the position Sam has been in his first 3 years, his age and his college tape and remember he once was the consensus #1 pick of his draft(I know we got him at #3). All it takes is 2 GMs to start a bidding war. I say a 2nd round pick is the minimum and wouldn't be surprised if we get a late 1st as others have mentioned here. 2nd would be a huge value for Sams that’s been throwing junk passes at a wholesale rate. If he passes for 1500 yards and 10 TDs in the next 5 games, then we can expect a 2nd or possibly a late 1st. We all know Sam isn’t going to do that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Is Great Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I think there's a chance we can get a pick in the 45-65 range but the ship has sailed on a 1st rounder. Darnold is at the lowest point of his NFL career. He looks far worse today than he did in the first month of his career. He is completely lost. I have no doubt we can move him for a 4th this offseason, the question will be if Douglas plays it tough and holds on to Sam into training camp if he doesn't get an offer he likes. The other thing to remember is that there are always poor front offices and desperate front offices in professional sports. A team who can't address their QB needs in the draft may pay up for Sam. A GM who's on the hot seat may be willing to spend a 2nd. This is a league where things like the Hopkins trade happen so I wouldn't rule out anything just yet. A player at the game's premium position who's young and cheap should be in demands. Teams can focus on the positives: the promise he showed under Bowles, the nice stretch last season, that he played with poor weapons and terrible coaching under Gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, flgreen said: Enough already with the ‘Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back’ narrative By Robby Sabo - 01/13/2020 ESNY Graphic, Getty Images For the love of all things sane, stop. Enough already. New York Jets head coach Adam Gase didn’t hold Ryan Tannehill back. Enough already. If I have to come across one more tweet attempting to draw up the “Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back narrative” I may have to call it quits. Shut it down. Close the laptop and leave the country. (A lot of folks may like that idea—if only to avoid rational thought in order to continue hating the most popular figures to despise.) In no way is it surprising. After all, this is Twitter. This is the new world of sports media. This is the agenda-driven land of publicity-seeking activity. It’s just utterly disappointing. By now, it would make sense that technology has helped us move forward in our sports-loving intelligence… at least a tad. But alas, Tannehill’s 2-0 record in the NFL Playoffs has the New York Jets head coach on the fandom hot seat, yet again, and he’s watching from home like the majority of the NFL. The argument goes a little like this: Tannehill, now free from the Gase shackles of yesteryear, is flourishing before our very eyes. His Tennessee Titans, after knocking off Tom Brady’s New England Patriots and Lamar Jackson’s Baltimore Ravens, are just the latest and greatest evidence of a football team (and quarterback) thriving under such conditions not created by Adam Gase. As previously mentioned at the top… enough already. The notion is completely preposterous, and whether you’re on board with the Jets head coach, bitterly despise the man or remain completely indifferent, Tannehill’s recent play signals very little as it relates to the Jets embattled sideline boss. Ryan Tannehill played in just 24 of a possible 49 games under Gase Ryan Tannehill played in a total of 24 of a possible 49 NFL games under Adam Gase. Case closed. This stat is literally all that’s needed to shut down one of the most ridiculous narratives in football history. Availability is the best attribute in this game and, unfortunately for the duo that was Gase-Tannehill, the quarterback rarely played. In 2016, Tannehill played in 13 of the Miami Dolphins’ 16 games. He threw 19 touchdowns to 12 interceptions while tallying 2,995 yards through the air to go along with a 67.1 completion percentage. After starting 1-4, they won six straight under the rookie head coach and a brand new system. Miami qualified for the playoffs that season and the Tannehill-led Fins were 8-5 before his injury—an ACL that cost him a playoff game and the entire 2017 campaign. They could muster just one win over the last three weeks and fell in the wild card round with Matt Moore under center. He came back in 2018 and threw 1,979 yards to go along with a 17-9 TD/INT ratio in just 11 games. Again, injuries derailed the season. After starting the season 3-0, Tannehill, Gase and the Dolphins lost the next two. The QB would go onto miss the next five weeks due to injury, before finishing out the campaign in disastrous fashion. Tannehill’s numbers under Adam Gase in Maimi are as follows: 4,974 yards, 38 touchdowns, 21 interceptions in just 24 games. In 12 games in Tennessee, Tannehill put up 2,742 yards with 22 scores and just six interceptions. The numbers are extremely comparable. Even if slightly better in Tennessee, to place it all on the previous head coach rather than understanding how vastly superior Tannehill’s supporting cast is now (No. 3 rushing attack, excellent defense, excellent offensive line) would be a foolhardy action. But more importantly, in what world is any offensive mind expected to develop a quarterback when he plays in fewer than half of the available team games? He’s not lighting it up in the tournament Tannehill has played solid football over two road games in these NFL Playoffs. While no man or woman should dare dream of taking that away, focus in a little more on how Mike Vrabel’s squad came out as the victors in each game. Derrick Henry has beasted his way to tournament immortality. He’s rushed for 182 and 195 yards en route to rushing dominance over the opponents. The Titans rarely throw the ball and, when they do, it’s as safe as it gets. This Tennessee offensive line is far superior to Miami’s under Gase and with Tannehill prior, which makes the system (run-first) much more quarterback-friendly. Tannehill has put up a total of 160 yards and three touchdowns to one interception over the two wins. The man hasn’t thrown for 100 yards in either of the games. Oh yeah, he also finished 7-for-14 and 8-for-15 in the two games, respectively. Has he suddenly been transformed? Even further, where was this superstardom under Joe Philbin prior to Gase’s arrival? Come on, folks; drop the agenda and start drilling in on actual football discussion. The most impressive part about the Titans journey is the rushing attack offensively and Vrabel’s scheming on the other side of the ball. What they did to Jackson and the Ravens No. 1 offense was downright spectacular. Vrabel sacrificed his pass rush in order to stop the Ravens. Even when they were rushing four, they weren’t. No edge man ever allowed himself to travel too far downhill and never went beyond Jackson in the pocket. They contained him with every rusher, flooded the middle zones (while simultaneously using them as spies) and dared Jackson to throw outside-the-numbers—something he struggles to do on a consistent basis. What no defense could do this season, Vrabel and the Titans did on Saturday, yet Gase holding Tannehill back was trending on Twitter. Final thoughts It’s not complicated. Throw the agendas out and look at this thing objectively. Tannehill is playing solid football. He’s also not the driving force behind the Titans’ two stunning victories. Jets fans can hate their head coach all they want, but if they use such a weak and agenda-driven narrative as evidence as to why he’s no good for Sam Darnold and their team, they’re simply doing themselves a grave disservice. Such a narrative can be flipped, too. Why isn’t it a credit to Gase that Tannehill (now healthy) is thriving? What if it was Gase who helped him get over his fully lost season via injury? It’s all nonsense. Welcome to the sports media world that is 2020. Welcome to Twitter, the wasteland of garbage takes aimed for a publicity objective. Stop with the “Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back” narrative. It’s complete garbage. Thank you for posting this. The 'Tannehill sucked under Gase' myth is one of the most persistent falsehoods proliferated on this board, usually in defense of Sam. This could probably automatically be posted in every Sam thread on here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, DepressedJetsFan23 said: The salary cap argument is a concern. However a top pick in the NFL Draft will always get chances. See Aldon Smith, I understand that he put more on the stat sheet than sam, but his issues off the field were a real concern. If he was a sixth round pick he would most likely be out of the league. How often do we hear something to the likes of "was once a first round talent" when bringing in free agents nobody has ever heard of. I also don't think we will have a problem finding a trade partner for sam because as we have seen this year, qbs get injured. A fourth round pick is a small price to pay for a solid backup. except sam is a avg to below avg b/u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Thank you for posting this. The 'Tannehill sucked under Gase' myth is one of the most persistent falsehoods proliferated on this board, usually in defense of Sam. This could probably automatically be posted in every Sam thread on here. Also go and look at Kanyan Drake and Landry's #'s... same players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetluv58 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 hours ago, bla bla bla said: Any team trading for Sam will be paying 1 year $1m, not $10m. In that case maybe we should just keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 hours ago, GreekJet said: Many teams are going to be cap strapped this offseason. Are they really going to be lining up to trade a draft pick and take on 10MM salary for a backup QB? There will be a few teams like the Colts who can afford it, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. The Jets may very well decide to just keep Darnold as a backup rather than take the cap hit in trading him. I’d feel terrible for him if that’s the case. He gets cut if Lawrence or Fields drafted with a QB Guru coach in Roman. Politics in lockeroom not worth it. Plus if we get Greg Roman as coach we are getting Ravens playbook aka Flacco is backup AND teacher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 42 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Thank you for posting this. The 'Tannehill sucked under Gase' myth is one of the most persistent falsehoods proliferated on this board, usually in defense of Sam. This could probably automatically be posted in every Sam thread on here. 1 hour ago, flgreen said: Enough already with the ‘Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back’ narrative By Robby Sabo - 01/13/2020 ESNY Graphic, Getty Images For the love of all things sane, stop. Enough already. New York Jets head coach Adam Gase didn’t hold Ryan Tannehill back. Enough already. If I have to come across one more tweet attempting to draw up the “Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back narrative” I may have to call it quits. Shut it down. Close the laptop and leave the country. (A lot of folks may like that idea—if only to avoid rational thought in order to continue hating the most popular figures to despise.) In no way is it surprising. After all, this is Twitter. This is the new world of sports media. This is the agenda-driven land of publicity-seeking activity. It’s just utterly disappointing. By now, it would make sense that technology has helped us move forward in our sports-loving intelligence… at least a tad. But alas, Tannehill’s 2-0 record in the NFL Playoffs has the New York Jets head coach on the fandom hot seat, yet again, and he’s watching from home like the majority of the NFL. The argument goes a little like this: Tannehill, now free from the Gase shackles of yesteryear, is flourishing before our very eyes. His Tennessee Titans, after knocking off Tom Brady’s New England Patriots and Lamar Jackson’s Baltimore Ravens, are just the latest and greatest evidence of a football team (and quarterback) thriving under such conditions not created by Adam Gase. As previously mentioned at the top… enough already. The notion is completely preposterous, and whether you’re on board with the Jets head coach, bitterly despise the man or remain completely indifferent, Tannehill’s recent play signals very little as it relates to the Jets embattled sideline boss. Ryan Tannehill played in just 24 of a possible 49 games under Gase Ryan Tannehill played in a total of 24 of a possible 49 NFL games under Adam Gase. Case closed. This stat is literally all that’s needed to shut down one of the most ridiculous narratives in football history. Availability is the best attribute in this game and, unfortunately for the duo that was Gase-Tannehill, the quarterback rarely played. In 2016, Tannehill played in 13 of the Miami Dolphins’ 16 games. He threw 19 touchdowns to 12 interceptions while tallying 2,995 yards through the air to go along with a 67.1 completion percentage. After starting 1-4, they won six straight under the rookie head coach and a brand new system. Miami qualified for the playoffs that season and the Tannehill-led Fins were 8-5 before his injury—an ACL that cost him a playoff game and the entire 2017 campaign. They could muster just one win over the last three weeks and fell in the wild card round with Matt Moore under center. He came back in 2018 and threw 1,979 yards to go along with a 17-9 TD/INT ratio in just 11 games. Again, injuries derailed the season. After starting the season 3-0, Tannehill, Gase and the Dolphins lost the next two. The QB would go onto miss the next five weeks due to injury, before finishing out the campaign in disastrous fashion. Tannehill’s numbers under Adam Gase in Maimi are as follows: 4,974 yards, 38 touchdowns, 21 interceptions in just 24 games. In 12 games in Tennessee, Tannehill put up 2,742 yards with 22 scores and just six interceptions. The numbers are extremely comparable. Even if slightly better in Tennessee, to place it all on the previous head coach rather than understanding how vastly superior Tannehill’s supporting cast is now (No. 3 rushing attack, excellent defense, excellent offensive line) would be a foolhardy action. But more importantly, in what world is any offensive mind expected to develop a quarterback when he plays in fewer than half of the available team games? He’s not lighting it up in the tournament Tannehill has played solid football over two road games in these NFL Playoffs. While no man or woman should dare dream of taking that away, focus in a little more on how Mike Vrabel’s squad came out as the victors in each game. Derrick Henry has beasted his way to tournament immortality. He’s rushed for 182 and 195 yards en route to rushing dominance over the opponents. The Titans rarely throw the ball and, when they do, it’s as safe as it gets. This Tennessee offensive line is far superior to Miami’s under Gase and with Tannehill prior, which makes the system (run-first) much more quarterback-friendly. Tannehill has put up a total of 160 yards and three touchdowns to one interception over the two wins. The man hasn’t thrown for 100 yards in either of the games. Oh yeah, he also finished 7-for-14 and 8-for-15 in the two games, respectively. Has he suddenly been transformed? Even further, where was this superstardom under Joe Philbin prior to Gase’s arrival? Come on, folks; drop the agenda and start drilling in on actual football discussion. The most impressive part about the Titans journey is the rushing attack offensively and Vrabel’s scheming on the other side of the ball. What they did to Jackson and the Ravens No. 1 offense was downright spectacular. Vrabel sacrificed his pass rush in order to stop the Ravens. Even when they were rushing four, they weren’t. No edge man ever allowed himself to travel too far downhill and never went beyond Jackson in the pocket. They contained him with every rusher, flooded the middle zones (while simultaneously using them as spies) and dared Jackson to throw outside-the-numbers—something he struggles to do on a consistent basis. What no defense could do this season, Vrabel and the Titans did on Saturday, yet Gase holding Tannehill back was trending on Twitter. Final thoughts It’s not complicated. Throw the agendas out and look at this thing objectively. Tannehill is playing solid football. He’s also not the driving force behind the Titans’ two stunning victories. Jets fans can hate their head coach all they want, but if they use such a weak and agenda-driven narrative as evidence as to why he’s no good for Sam Darnold and their team, they’re simply doing themselves a grave disservice. Such a narrative can be flipped, too. Why isn’t it a credit to Gase that Tannehill (now healthy) is thriving? What if it was Gase who helped him get over his fully lost season via injury? It’s all nonsense. Welcome to the sports media world that is 2020. Welcome to Twitter, the wasteland of garbage takes aimed for a publicity objective. Stop with the “Adam Gase held Ryan Tannehill back” narrative. It’s complete garbage. There’s a huge difference between throwing for 150 yards in second half down 2 scores as opposed to throwing for 250 yards a game leading most of the games. if anyone feels Tannehill didn’t improve after getting away from Adam the garbage Gase, they need to do some more homework. Gase ruined a 4K yard passer. When was the last time Jets had a 4k passer? Hint: It was before the Joe Namath guarantee! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Jet2020 said: There’s a huge difference between throwing for 150 yards in second half down 2 scores as opposed to throwing for 250 yards a game leading most of the games. if anyone feels Tannehill didn’t improve after getting away from Adam the garbage Gase, they need to do some more homework. Gase ruined a 4K yard passer. When was the last time Jets had a 4k passer? Hint: It was before the Joe Namath guarantee! ^^^^ Some people you can show them all the evidence in the world, it still doesn’t matter if it don’t fit within their narrative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 hours ago, JTJet said: Yes but that doesn't make any sense for a team trading for him. His 5th year option is due by this upcoming May and its relatively cheap, and the options DO carry over to another team if traded......the issue being, there are zero scenarios where we trade him before draft day. If traded before the draft, the team he would be traded to would have to trade for him AND decide his 5th year option before he even practices for them, which is highly unlikely. So in a business sense, it makes the most sense to continue business as usual and pick up his option as if we are keeping him, which would incentivize the team trading for him, because then they would have two years to decide his fate at a very low cost, instead of one. Make sense? The 5th year option is equivalent to the average of the top 10 highest paid at your position and is guaranteed against injury. Meaning it we exercise it and trade Sam and he suffers a torn ACL, the team that trades for him is fully on the hook for that 5th year. While it's attractive to have him under contract for 2 seasons, I don't think anyone in the league is willing to gamble on ~$30m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Jetluv58 said: In that case maybe we should just keep him. We are on the hook for $10m because we gave him a signing bonus. The signing bonus ($9m) does not transfer to the new team when he is traded. *Edit* Math is hard, his contract would be $5m for the team that trades for him as they'd still need to pay the roster bonus portion of his deal. $1m base $4m roster bonus $5m signing bonus (would not transfer in trade) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: The 5th year option is equivalent to the average of the top 10 highest paid at your position and is guaranteed against injury. Meaning it we exercise it and trade Sam and he suffers a torn ACL, the team that trades for him is fully on the hook for that 5th year. While it's attractive to have him under contract for 2 seasons, I don't think anyone in the league is willing to gamble on ~$30m. Yes and no. They changed the CBA in 2018 and it works differently now for 5th year options. There are tiers built into it and Sam hasnt reached any of the tiers to get the maximum 5th year option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, JTJet said: Yes and no. They changed the CBA in 2018 and it works differently now for 5th year options. There are tiers built into it and Sam hasnt reached any of the tiers to get the maximum 5th year option. I stand corrected, I am interested to see what his 5th year option would look like. I don't know how they determine the average of the top 10, is it the top 10 for that season or the average annual salary? Average annual salary = $37.6m Average of 2021 QBs = $34.8m Since Darnold has played poorly, and won't hit on the max of that 5th year option we need to know what that floor will look like. If that 5th year option ends up being $20m, rather than the figures above, I'm not sure a team will want to risk him getting injured and being on the hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I stand corrected, I am interested to see what his 5th year option would look like. I don't know how they determine the average of the top 10, is it the top 10 for that season or the average annual salary? Average annual salary = $37.6m Average of 2021 QBs = $34.8m Since Darnold has played poorly, and won't hit on the max of that 5th year option we need to know what that floor will look like. If that 5th year option ends up being $20m, rather than the figures above, I'm not sure a team will want to risk him getting injured and being on the hook. From what I can make out, it's the average of the top 10 from the previous season (so probably this current season since it would be after the season ends?) It's a lot more complicated though then just figuring out the average and running with it. It's pretty hard to find the exact numbers online. I found this nugget in an article from the other week talking about Baker Mayfield's option. Says he would get at least 25 million. Sam hasnt played as well as Baker so I would imagine its smaller than that. Some of the escalators are Pro Bowl births, playing time, etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, JTJet said: From what I can make out, it's the average of the top 10 from the previous season (so probably this current season since it would be after the season ends?) It's a lot more complicated though then just figuring out the average and running with it. It's pretty hard to find the exact numbers online. I found this nugget in an article from the other week talking about Baker Mayfield's option. Says he would get at least 25 million. Sam hasnt played as well as Baker so I would imagine its smaller than that. Some of the escalators are Pro Bowl births, playing time, etc.. Yea it looks like the QBs from the 2017 class were going to get about $24.8m so just above $25m would make sense. Maybe that doesn't include QB signing bonus'? Regardless, I think the contract for Darnold would have to be relatively small for a team to risk injury based on his current play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 14 hours ago, AL047 said: The Jets will never receive a first or second round pick for Sam Darnold!!!! The most they will get is a late round pick for him nothing else because he is considered damage goods. The Jets have two options if there is nobody interested in making a trade. 1) Keep him as a backup because his contract expires at the end of the season. 2) Cut him!!! (Which most teams will wait until that happens to sign Darnold) Those are the only options currently for the Jets. exactly. why trade for him when teams know we are not keeping Sam if we got Trevor. the best backup for a rookie QB is someone with experience to show the kid the ropes. is Sam the guy you want giving Trevor advice? i think JD shops Sam around. maybe someone offers a 5th or 6th and he takes it. if not he cuts him before his roster bonus and save over 3 mil. remember what happened to Lev Bell. teams knew he wanted out and Gase didnt want him so JD couldnt even get a number 7 for him and he got released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Then give Jim Harbaugh a chance to fix him while improving his trade value so we can actually get draft picks for him next trade deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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