slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Warfish said: He's arguably not even the GOAT of his own sport. who ya got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 hes still a pos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Rhg1084 said: Yeah but then Brady beat both Rodgers and Mahomes last year to win a super bowl in both games he was the underdog. So yeah that’s why he’s the GOAT This is my point exactly. He didnt beat anyone. His team did. Brady threw 3 picks vs. GB in the championship game and the GB D still gave up 30+ points. Brady didnt win the SB, his defense did. They held the Chiefs to 9 points. Chiefs D, gave up 30. This is exactly my point. Why does he get the credit? He didnt win it, his D did. I hope he gave Todd Bowles a nice handy for his efforts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Could you imagine how many yards Marino and Montana would have had in this NFL of clean pockets and wide open receivers? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Dude, lol, he attempted 719 passes. 719!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rodgers attempted 531. Yea. And his poor throw % was terrible 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Team game. And if it wasn’t for the worst choke of all time and the worst offensive play all of all time he’s got 5 losses. And the Tuck Rule was BS, that was a fumble, never should have been in that one. Oh now it’s a team game when those other guys can’t make it to 10 superbowls? Montana only made it to 4! And you’re calling him the GOAT? Montana himself called Brady the GOAT lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Warfish said: Other than Sav, who else actually said this? I don't think many, and definitely not anything close to a majority. Straw man argument IMO. Brother, you've been around long enough to know this position is support by tons of posters. @Sperm Edwards one of the biggest supporters of this logic. Watch, they'll start coming out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Rhg1084 said: Oh now it’s a team game when those other guys can’t make it to 10 superbowls? Montana only made it to 4! And you’re calling him the GOAT? Montana himself called Brady the GOAT lol He’s being kind. Politically correct. He can’t call himself the GOAT. So he takes the high road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, JiFapono said: This is my point exactly. He didnt beat anyone. His team did. Brady threw 3 picks vs. GB in the championship game and the GB D still gave up 30+ points. Brady didnt win the SB, his defense did. They held the Chiefs to 9 points. Chiefs D, gave up 30. This is exactly my point. Why does he get the credit? He didnt win it, his D did. I hope he gave Todd Bowles a nice handy for his efforts. Agree with this. Wins is a team stat. The problem with Brady is that he doesn't just have a lot of wins. He also has all of the individual accolades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fantasy Island Posted January 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, BallinPB said: Jordan still the GOAT out of every sport. This man won Championships and beat AIDS. That's what I thought. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Fantasy Island said: This man won Championships and beat AIDS. That's what I thought. He technically only beat HIV, not AIDS. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Brother, you've been around long enough to know this position is support by tons of posters. @Sperm Edwards one of the biggest supporters of this logic. Watch, they'll start coming out. I hope so, because I don't think "a ton" is accurate honestly. A few loud voices, sure. Like Sav, who showed up every time someone poster the word "Martin", lol (RIP brother, I miss ya!) But anything more than 5% of the fanbase? I doubt it honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Warfish said: Other than Sav, who else actually said this? I don't think many, and definitely not anything close to a majority. Straw man argument IMO. see, here you go 5 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Well, I've never diminished Curtis Martin. He was a terrific RB. BUT: This isn't as good of a point as you think it is. Brady isn't just a compiler. He's also had record-breaking seasons in which he was the league MVP, Super Bowl MVP, threw 50 TD passes, etc. He's the rare guy who has BOTH complied stats over a long period of time AND dominated the sport for many individual seasons. Curtis Martin is 1 of 2 players in NFL history to start his career with 10 straight 1,000-yard rushing seasons. The only other player to do it? Barry Sanders. Curtis Martin won the rushing title in his 10th season in the league (the oldest player to win a rushing title). He also won ROY, having one of the greatest debut seasons for a RB in the NFL history. Records in his first season and a record in his last ever full season. But one is a compiler. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warfish said: I hope so, because I don't think "a ton" is accurate honestly. A few loud voices, sure. Like Sav, who showed up every time someone poster the word "Martin", lol (RIP brother, I miss ya!) But anything more than 5% of the fanbase? I doubt it honestly. I dont know man, I was typically the one battling for Martin and it always felt like I was in the minority. ///what you want to bet some brings up the AFC Championship game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, BallinPB said: Jordan still the GOAT out of every sport. This. In a sport where you play both ways (Brady does not play defense and he’s had some GREAT defenses) and can dominate in every aspect shooting scoring rebounding assists drive clutch intimidation the whole package. It’s Jordan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, slimjasi said: who ya got Wilt, Russel, Kareem, Bryant and of course LeBron all can lay claim to being the GOAT or being damn close to Jordan's equal. Jordan, like Namath, carries with him massive titanic cultural value. The NBA simply isn't the NBA without Jordan and the massive marketing effort/success around him. In no way does that diminish Jordan as a player. But he's not alone in the discussion of the GOAT, not for what he did on the court. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: He’s being kind. Politically correct. He can’t call himself the GOAT. So he takes the high road. So you’d rather be 4-0 in the super bowl instead of 7-3? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, JiFapono said: see, here you go Curtis Martin is 1 of 2 players in NFL history to start his career with 10 straight 1,000-yard rushing seasons. The only other player to do it? Barry Sanders. Curtis Martin won the rushing title in his 10th season in the league (the oldest player to win a rushing title). He also won ROY, having one of the greatest debut seasons for a RB in the NFL history. Records in his first season and a record in his last ever full season. But one is a compiler. lol None of this really addresses what I wrote. Let me help you out - Tom Brady has won 3 league MVP awards and has 7 all-pro selections. Meanwhile, Curtis Martin has 0 league MVP awards and 1 all-pro selection - ONE. LOL Curtis was a great player, but you sound like a delusional Jets homer arguing that Curtis Martin was anywhere near as dominant of a running back as Brady is a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: So you’d rather be 4-0 in the super bowl instead of 7-3? Lol It’s not about what I’d rather be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: So you’d rather be 4-0 in the super bowl instead of 7-3? Lol Joe Flacco has a higher win % in the Super Bowl, he's obviously the better player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: Wilt, Russel, Kareem, Bryant and of course LeBron all can lay claim to being the GOAT or being damn close to Jordan's equal. Jordan, like Namath, carries with him massive titanic cultural value. The NBA simply isn't the NBA without Jordan and the massive marketing effort/success around him. In no way does that diminish Jordan as a player. But he's not alone in the discussion of the GOAT, not for what he did on the court. Jordan was a better version of Kobe - so I don't quite see that one. The others I could potentially agree with you on - although Wilt had too many poor postseason performances for my taste. I think Russell, Kareem, and Lebron are all definitely in the discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: It’s not about what I’d rather be. Then what's it about? LOL This is a discussion about who you think was the best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Jordan was a better version of Kobe - so I don't quite see that one. The others I could potentially agree with you on - although Wilt had too many poor postseason performances for my taste. I think Russell, Kareem, and Lebron are all definitely in the discussion. Oscar Robertson would tell you that Oscar Robertson was the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JiFtheOracle Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, slimjasi said: None of this really addresses what I wrote. Let me help you out - Tom Brady has won 3 league MVP awards and has 7 all-pro selections. Meanwhile, Curtis Martin has 0 league MVP awards and 1 all-pro selection - ONE. LOL Curtis was a great player, but you sound like a delusional Jets homer arguing that Curtis Martin was anywhere near as dominant of a running back as Brady is a QB. You're comparing a RB vs a QB. Specifically, one that played for the NY Jets for the majority of his career vs. a QB who 21 years in and is still going who has played on a team that won 19 out of 20 straight years, to another loaded team that has made the playoffs in consecutive years. This is apples to meteoroids. And I never made the comparisons, you did. I simply said, it's funny how Curtis is considered a compiler but Brady, isnt. This is literally a player who was taped saying "I'm going to break Manning's records because he's breaking down and I'm not". lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Jordan was a better version of Kobe - so I don't quite see that one. The others I could potentially agree with you on - although Wilt had too many poor postseason performances for my taste. I think Russell, Kareem, and Lebron are all definitely in the discussion. Don't get me wrong, the NBA isn't my sport (Baseball and Football are me), so I'll defer to true hoop-heads as the experts. But I think sometimes Fans ignore the "why" behind some players perceived greatness. Jordan was utterly amazing on the court, no doubt, no question, one of the best to ever step on a court, but his effect OFF the court was more massive than any player in NBA history by a massive margin. No one else comes close. That effect is a big part of why he gets the GOAT nod vs. players that really were his equal or better on the court. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, ZachEY said: Cheating. Much cheating. I hear that he drinks that special water with the hexagonal molecules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, #27TheDominator said: I hear that he drinks that special water with the hexagonal molecules. Please. Do we really need to talk about Giselle's private area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 55 minutes ago, BallinPB said: Jordan still the GOAT out of every sport. No, Wayne Gretzky is. Gretzky did things and put up numbers that will never be broken. Guys that win scoring tittles today are still at least 100 pts shy of what Gretzky did. It's a good argument, but Jordan is no Gretzky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, JiFapono said: You're comparing a RB vs a QB. Specifically, one that played for the NY Jets for the majority of his career vs. a QB who 21 years in and is still going who has played on a team that won 19 out of 20 straight years, to another loaded team that has made the playoffs in consecutive years. This is apples to meteoroids. Let me help you again: All-pro selections occur for every position on the field and have nothing to do with your team's record. Brady has 6, Curtin Martin has 3. I would quit while I'm behind. edit: 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Anthony Jet said: Guys great no doubt about it. But he went to the bucs after the pats. A team that had almost everything in place except a QB. Winston threw for 30 tds and over 5k yards on that team without Gronk On a team without Gronk, AB, and Fournette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, JiFapono said: And I never made the comparisons, you did. I simply said, it's funny how Curtis is considered a compiler but Brady, isnt. This is literally a player who was taped saying "I'm going to break Manning's records because he's breaking down and I'm not". lmfao I think you are getting too bent out of shape about the word "compiler." After all, Brady is ALSO a "compiler" The difference is that Brady has had half a dozen all-pro selections, multiple MVP awards, and record breaking seasons. It's not that Curtis Martin wasn't great, it's that he didn't dominate the sport the way Brady, at times, has. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 33 minutes ago, JiFapono said: I dont know man, I was typically the one battling for Martin and it always felt like I was in the minority. ///what you want to bet some brings up the AFC Championship game? There's nothing wrong with Battling for Curtis Martin. I loved Curtis. Still one of only three Jets Jerseys that I own. But it's all about what you are battling for, though. Battling against Brady - yeah, not a fight you can win. Also - what's wrong with bringing up one of the biggest games of his career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Oscar Robertson would tell you that Oscar Robertson was the best. Yes, I've heard him say this. I'll defer to the folks who saw him play. I'm skeptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 51 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: hes still a pos Nah, he's not. https://nypost.com/2022/01/16/tom-brady-gives-10-year-old-cancer-survivor-super-bowl-tickets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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