General Draft/Prospect news

[T0mShane]

6 hours ago, derp said:

It's hard to find character stuff for everyone, and I don't know how reliable the stuff that's out there is anyway, but after last year's class was such a hit I'd think they'd just want to be locked in on a guy who takes the game seriously.

Smith they'd need to do something funky to get on the field. Maybe they do, but strikes me as a leap. I imagine they'd love the athleticism and personality. Layer in the injury history and I'd be surprised. Big swing in a different way from the OL. Higher floor I guess if he stays healthy, should at least be useful in some capacity.

This just strikes me as a time that they'd just want to take someone who's kind of boring and high character at a premium spot with some reason to believe they've got upside and just roll with it. Think Paris Johnson, JSN, maybe Myles Murphy fit. Skoronski is everything but position. The injury and production stuff are flags for Smith. Ojulari I think makes sense in the second round - probably the most bubble guy there and maybe the first, White is similar there. Bergeron second round. Mauch maybe.

I think if you start with the guys who haven't had questions about their football character (admittedly, the info that is out there could be wrong - this is just trying to guess with what we have access to publicly) and then narrow to the guys you think will be there, the guys who play premium positions, and the guys who have produced (granted, OL can't produce - but I think the non-production stuff narrows down the OL anyway) - it's a short list and JSN is on it. Think that's why he comes up more than just an incessant desire to add WR. 

I wonder if they’d think they could take Smith, play him at Kwon’s spot while he learns under Mosely, and then he takes over at MLB next year and becomes Saleh’s Fred Warner. It seems crazy for any team to try and run him out there as a full time ~240 lb EDGE where he’d get smushed.

[T0mShane]

6 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

I think they’ll want to trade up for a wr.  I also think the jets are trading back and taking their preferred center from minny.  Then DT in round 2. 

The Giants probably aren’t going to throw it a ton with Jones and they signed a bunch of smaller, run and catch receivers this offseason. They still need a big receiver, but I don’t see JSN filling that role for them.

[T0mShane]

Jeremiah’s new/last mock has the Jets getting Skowronski at 15. Richardson sliding all the way to 20.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-4-0

[derp]

24 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I wonder if they’d think they could take Smith, play him at Kwon’s spot while he learns under Mosely, and then he takes over at MLB next year and becomes Saleh’s Fred Warner. It seems crazy for any team to try and run him out there as a full time ~240 lb EDGE where he’d get smushed.

Warner is awesome but kind of one of one, so I don’t think you try to replicate him at 15. The odds of another MLB having that kind of value are so low. Plus the position conversion. Too risky.

If they take Smith, I think it’s that they love the character and think they can extract pass rush value and get him on the field enough to justify it.

Would definitely surprise me. Not enough production track record, hard to figure out how he gets on the field, injury history. But I think it’s a pass rush centric move if they do it. Only way you can justify it at 15. You’re trying to recreate Micah Parsons somehow.

[Augustiniak]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Jeremiah’s new/last mock has the Jets getting Skowronski at 15. Richardson sliding all the way to 20.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-4-0

That’s atypical, i see no mocks with that OL making it to 15.  Many mocks have him going top 10

[Beerfish]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Jeremiah’s new/last mock has the Jets getting Skowronski at 15. Richardson sliding all the way to 20.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-4-0

That would be a miracle scenario for the jets, Skrownski and broderick jones and j smith njigba all there and richardson still on the board to trade down if we wanted.

[Beerfish]

I repeat, I'll kick a puppy if we take nolan smith.

[T0mShane]

36 minutes ago, derp said:

Warner is awesome but kind of one of one, so I don’t think you try to replicate him at 15. The odds of another MLB having that kind of value are so low. Plus the position conversion. Too risky.

If they take Smith, I think it’s that they love the character and think they can extract pass rush value and get him on the field enough to justify it.

Would definitely surprise me. Not enough production track record, hard to figure out how he gets on the field, injury history. But I think it’s a pass rush centric move if they do it. Only way you can justify it at 15. You’re trying to recreate Micah Parsons somehow.

I don’t think they’d pick him there regardless, but in the hypothetical they took him I’d guess that he’d end up as Kwon’s replacement as opposed to getting reps at DE. IIRC Bryce Huff has the best win rate in football and Saleh won’t even put him on the field full-time because of size concerns. 

[T0mShane]

35 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

That’s atypical, i see no mocks with that OL making it to 15.  Many mocks have him going top 10

 

15 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

That would be a miracle scenario for the jets, Skrownski and broderick jones and j smith njigba all there and richardson still on the board to trade down if we wanted.

I think Jeremiah is just pooling all the nuggets of information he has and this mock is an amalgam of that. He said today that he heard Zay Flowers could go before JSN, so he threw that in. Skowronski *could* drop if too many teams determine he’s a guard and they push dudes like Paris Johnson and  Darnell Wright up the board solely by virtue of Planet Theory. FWIW, Chris Collinsworth has heard even Dawand Jones is going mid-first. 

[Beerfish]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

 

I think Jeremiah is just pooling all the nuggets of information he has and this mock is an amalgam of that. He said today that he heard Zay Flowers could go before JSN, so he threw that in. Skowronski *could* drop if too many teams determine he’s a guard and they push dudes like Paris Johnson and  Darnell Wright up the board solely by virtue of Planet Theory. FWIW, Chris Collinsworth has heard even Dawand Jones is going mid-first. 

I really think AVT can play tackle full time so sticking skowronski on that line is still a big win for me.

[section314]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I wonder if they’d think they could take Smith, play him at Kwon’s spot while he learns under Mosely, and then he takes over at MLB next year and becomes Saleh’s Fred Warner. It seems crazy for any team to try and run him out there as a full time ~240 lb EDGE where he’d get smushed.

Or just draft Jack Campbell?

[football guy]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

We just traded for Rodgers. Even if it is just because of GB drafting history I think it would be really surprising to me to flat out go defense. I just can't see them passing JSN if he is there at 14. 

The scenario as Breer played out won’t happen. What will happen is that one—if not multiple—of the top OL will be there and the Jets will take them. They have scenarios laid out for all of them. In the unlikely event they’re all gone, JSN is probably a 1% chance, and quite frankly I think the Jets want it out there that they’re considering him.  No one I’ve spoken to has given it legitimate legs and unless told otherwise between now and 8pm tomorrow I’m sticking to that. 

As much as Rodgers is here and you figure they will add to the offense no matter what, keep in mind what he’s saying. He’s alluded to how this is a ready team and all the pieces are there. He understands the importance of defense (see him recruiting defensive players). Does he want weapons? Sure. But he’s not going to throw a fit if they took a DE over a WR who could very well be 5th/6th string in year 1.

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I really think AVT can play tackle full time so sticking skowronski on that line is still a big win for me.

I’d just stick Skoronski at RT from day one and let Becton fight it out with Duane Brown at LT

[football guy]

3 hours ago, Larz said:

Apparently strouds agent is Watsons agent and has real bad blood with the Texans, but I don’t think he gets past 3. If the Texans don’t take him take a bathroom break because there’s probably a trade at 3. 

Yes. I think Mulugheta is poisonous for Stroud. Not just for his chances of landing with the Texans, but others teams too. Agent has a very poor relationship among half the league

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

The scenario as Breer played out won’t happen. What will happen is that one—if not multiple—of the top OL will be there and the Jets will take them. They have scenarios laid out for all of them. In the unlikely event they’re all gone, JSN is probably a 1% chance, and quite frankly I think the Jets want it out there that they’re considering him.  No one I’ve spoken to has given it legitimate legs and unless told otherwise between now and 8pm tomorrow I’m sticking to that. 

As much as Rodgers is here and you figure they will add to the offense no matter what, keep in mind what he’s saying. He’s alluded to how this is a ready team and all the pieces are there. He understands the importance of defense (see him recruiting defensive players). Does he want weapons? Sure. But he’s not going to throw a fit if they took a DE over a WR who could very well be 5th/6th string in year 1.

So plan A is, stay at 15 and go OT.  Is plan B, stay at 15 and go DL, or TE, or trade back as far as they can knowing they’re getting a guy they have rated as a 2nd round talent but they’d be getting a guy they like, along with the extra draft capital this year and/or next?

[derp]

24 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t think they’d pick him there regardless, but in the hypothetical they took him I’d guess that he’d end up as Kwon’s replacement as opposed to getting reps at DE. IIRC Bryce Huff has the best win rate in football and Saleh won’t even put him on the field full-time because of size concerns. 

Yeah it’d really need to be a new role. Like, we want a stand up linebacker who we blitz a bunch but can put his hand in the ground on third downs kind of thing. Maybe if they peg Quincy Williams for the Mosley role and then would have Smith play next to him and rush third downs next year. Seems like a huge stretch to me, but that’s why I don’t think they take him.

Huff is presumably gone after this season so I think they’ll try to replace him but I don’t think that’s something they do at 15. Maybe a day three guy. Or they try to split the difference between replacing Huff and Lawson on day two with someone like Ojulari who I bet they covet.

[Beerfish]

Just how can the jets take a DE or edge when they traded up in the first last year to get johnson and then gave him 40% of snaps on D.

Just resigned our pass rushing specialist huff who as getting like 15% of the snaps the last few games

Still have Lawson on the roster and also drafted clemons.

We draft an edge and then we can be happy with the dude getting like 50% of the D snaps.  Just a stupid use of resources.

I could see us going Kancy I suppose as we have a bigger need at DT but I still wouldn't like it.

I also do not get the indifference to jsn, two years from now the guy is going to be a really good wr, far better than lazard or hardman or corey davis.

[Barton]

More buzz from Matt Miller of ESPN saying the Jets have done alot of work on ohio state WR JSN. 

[football guy]

47 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

So plan A is, stay at 15 and go OT.  Is plan B, stay at 15 and go DL, or TE, or trade back as far as they can knowing they’re getting a guy they have rated as a 2nd round talent but they’d be getting a guy they like, along with the extra draft capital this year and/or next?

I don’t get the sense the Jets want to trade down. They have 14 or 15 players with first round grades (conflicting) but some of those players will not be truly considered on the horizontal board either because they won’t be there (i.e. Young), would be a poor allocation of resources (i.e. Witherspoon), or due to injury (i.e. Kincaid?). However, if the board were to fall in such a way where no first-round OL or DL talent were available on their board, yes they would probably weigh a position like TE or WR at 15 but more likely they would just trade down. 

My best guess at the players they have 1st round grades on: 

QB (1): Young
RB (1): Robinson
TE (1): Kincaid
OL (4): Johnson, Skoronski, Jones, Wright
DL (6): Anderson, Wilson, Carter, Smith, McDonald, LVN
CB (2): Witherspoon, Gonzalez

I don’t think JSN or Kancey are among those players. They likely have late 1-early 2 round grades, which in most drafts is anywhere from picks 20-40. This year those guys will find themselves coming off the board as early as 12

[maury77]

Gun to my head, I think Broderick Jones is going to be the pick. Last year Douglas made more of the chalk picks, but he loves OL and great athletes. Jones needs a lot of technique work, but if the Jets are going to continue to utilize the wide zone, Jones does a great job pulling due to his speed. If the OL coaches think they can fix his flaws quickly, then pull the trigger.  

[maury77]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

I don’t get the sense the Jets want to trade down. They have 14 or 15 players with first round grades (conflicting) but some of those players will not be truly considered on the horizontal board either because they won’t be there (i.e. Young), would be a poor allocation of resources (i.e. Witherspoon), or due to injury (i.e. Kincaid?). However, if the board were to fall in such a way where no first-round OL or DL talent were available on their board, yes they would probably weigh a position like TE or WR at 15 but more likely they would just trade down. 

My best guess at the players they have 1st round grades on: 

QB (1): Young
RB (1): Robinson
TE (1): Kincaid
OL (4): Johnson, Skoronski, Jones, Wright
DL (6): Anderson, Wilson, Carter, Smith, McDonald, LVN
CB (2): Witherspoon, Gonzalez

I don’t think JSN or Kancey are among those players. They likely have late 1-early 2 round grades, which in most drafts is anywhere from picks 20-40. This year those guys will find themselves coming off the board as early as 12

McDonald? That's surprising because he's skinny, but he's a hell of a pass rusher and is relatively new to the position (I think he started college as a WR). He would be exactly the missing piece for the DL, a long, fast, bendy wide 9 threat. 

[maury77]

Here is my attempt at a mock Using the players available at the Jets' respective picks, this is who I'm guessing they take : https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-nfl-mock-draft-pff-analysts-seven-rounds-four-qbs

 

1.15 This is a great scenario because my 3 favorite tackle prospects are available. I'm taking Paris Johnson. 

2.43 Another dream scenario, but I think the Jets will prefer the better athlete in Tippman. 

4.112 Demarvion Overshown. Good athlete at a position of need

5. Yaya Diaby. Another athletic edge

[football guy]

20 minutes ago, maury77 said:

McDonald? That's surprising because he's skinny, but he's a hell of a pass rusher and is relatively new to the position (I think he started college as a WR). He would be exactly the missing piece for the DL, a long, fast, bendy wide 9 threat. 

Freak athlete with extreme flexibility in his torso down to his ankles, has a long frame and can add some bulk (was up to 245 for his pro day and can prob add another 5-10 lbs comfortably), plays with his hair on fire, always around the football, and has a ton of room to improve his game. He only has 6 years of football under his belt. A little on the older side but wasn’t a problem with Jermaine. Naturally strong but needs to become more technically sound to improve play strength. Fits as a situational LEO/REO like Huff, but long-term should be a full-time REO

[maury77]

Just now, football guy said:

Freak athlete with extreme flexibility in his torso down to his ankles, has a long frame and can add some bulk (was up to 245 for his pro day and can prob add another 5-10 lbs comfortably), plays with his hair on fire, always around the football, and has a ton of room to improve his game. He only has 6 years of football under his belt. A little on the older side but wasn’t a problem with Jermaine. Naturally strong but needs to become more technically sound to improve play strength. Fits as a situational LEO/REO like Huff, but long-term should be a full-time REO

He has a good back story too, I think he skipped some years of playing ball so he could work at a Mcdonald's to make money for his mother. 

[football guy]

2 hours ago, maury77 said:

He has a good back story too, I think he skipped some years of playing ball so he could work at a Mcdonald's to make money for his mother. 

Yes. You put together the total package and he’s the kind of player the Jets value. 

some juicy rumors: 

• pretty much alluded to it with the above, but good amount of teams have first-round grades on McDonald… in a weak class, that should translate into being a top 20 pick
• mentioned a few days ago that there’s a lot of dancing going on with #3. HOU, SEA were mentioned, and TEN is the 3rd team. I’ve seen talk of PHI on Twitter. Very possible HOU locks in a trade pre-draft… can’t select a defender at #2 because ARI may auction off the pick to someone else looking for a QB (TEN), and if they take the QB before trading they can miss their defender to another (SEA). Sea of relationships between these teams but ultimately Arizona/Ossenfort needs to do what’s best for them. Will be nuts to monitor throughout the day tomorrow
• theres a lot of smoke Bijan not getting out of the top 9. He can go as high as 6, but people think the floor is 9. Absolute lowest 12. 
• If Myles Murphy doesn’t go to HOU at 12, he could fall out of the first round entirely. Teams have pass rushers rated all over the map but they’re believed to be high on him and could go that route if they go QB #2 and don’t move up to #3
• Patriots likely taking Zay Flowers and based on what’s being said by some high profile media guys beginning to sound like that could be his floor
• Gibbs is likely drafted between 18-25, and it could be via trade. Two teams who have shown the most interest are TB and LAR, but all bunch of teams in that range have made it clear he’s an option (LAC, BAL, MIN, NYG). If the likes of BUF, CIN, PHI, KC, or 

[football guy]

Jeremiah has Wright plummeting to 31 in his final mock despite having him ranked 15th overall recently. Wright visited over 2/3 the league which many thought meant he was in demand, then we saw the Twitter spat, and most recently McGinn peeled open the curtain to call his character into question. McShay has alluded to that his profile (character) not a fit for the Jets, and now Schrager saying Jets “won’t reach” if their tackle isn’t there… 

A Jets scout has recently spoken highly of his game and what the team thought of his play, but this administration takes character — specifically football character — very seriously. Jets first-round rated prospects was 15 then 14 depending who you ask. Makes me wonder if they dropped him down over character. PJJ believed to be a tier higher than Jones/Skoronski but all 3 are be top 13 on their board assuming everything remains the same from last Friday 

[Augustiniak]

8 hours ago, football guy said:

Jeremiah has Wright plummeting to 31 in his final mock despite having him ranked 15th overall recently. Wright visited over 2/3 the league which many thought meant he was in demand, then we saw the Twitter spat, and most recently McGinn peeled open the curtain to call his character into question. McShay has alluded to that his profile (character) not a fit for the Jets, and now Schrager saying Jets “won’t reach” if their tackle isn’t there… 

A Jets scout has recently spoken highly of his game and what the team thought of his play, but this administration takes character — specifically football character — very seriously. Jets first-round rated prospects was 15 then 14 depending who you ask. Makes me wonder if they dropped him down over character. PJJ believed to be a tier higher than Jones/Skoronski but all 3 are be top 13 on their board assuming everything remains the same from last Friday 

So based on what you’re hearing, the jets are either taking one of 3 OTs, or probably a DL.

[section314]

8 hours ago, football guy said:

Jeremiah has Wright plummeting to 31 in his final mock despite having him ranked 15th overall recently. Wright visited over 2/3 the league which many thought meant he was in demand, then we saw the Twitter spat, and most recently McGinn peeled open the curtain to call his character into question. McShay has alluded to that his profile (character) not a fit for the Jets, and now Schrager saying Jets “won’t reach” if their tackle isn’t there… 

A Jets scout has recently spoken highly of his game and what the team thought of his play, but this administration takes character — specifically football character — very seriously. Jets first-round rated prospects was 15 then 14 depending who you ask. Makes me wonder if they dropped him down over character. PJJ believed to be a tier higher than Jones/Skoronski but all 3 are be top 13 on their board assuming everything remains the same from last Friday 

Did they have van Ness in for a visit? Getting feeling he may be their guy if their OT not there.

[football guy]

18 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

So based on what you’re hearing, the jets are either taking one of 3 OTs, or probably a DL.

I'd be floored if it were anything else 

21 minutes ago, section314 said:

Did they have van Ness in for a visit? Getting feeling he may be their guy if their OT not there.

They didn't 

 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, football guy said:

I'd be floored if it were anything else 

They didn't 

 

If they go DL, does that mean they traded back?  What DL would they take at 15?

[Matt39]

Is Stroud intentionally self sabotaging? Good grief.

[section314]

Supposedly, Levis has gone from 50:1 to 5:1 to be pick# 1.? Gotta love  draft day.

[football guy]

18 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If they go DL, does that mean they traded back?  What DL would they take at 15?

When I say "DL", I'm lumping in DEs and DTs. It's just easier because there's so many different types of "DL" in this system. 

• Base LEO (JFM) is more of an inside-out hybrid; think a 3-4 DE 
• Base LDT (Jefferson) is also an inside-out hybrid; again think 3-4 DE 
• Base RDT (Quinnen) is a traditional 3-tech DT
• Base REO (Lawson) is a pure EDGE splitting time at the 7 and 9 spots  

[TuscanyTile2]

So annoying that the draft is on at the same time as a critical Rangers/Devils game 5.

[Augustiniak]

16 minutes ago, football guy said:

When I say "DL", I'm lumping in DEs and DTs. It's just easier because there's so many different types of "DL" in this system. 

• Base LEO (JFM) is more of an inside-out hybrid; think a 3-4 DE 
• Base LDT (Jefferson) is also an inside-out hybrid; again think 3-4 DE 
• Base RDT (Quinnen) is a traditional 3-tech DT
• Base REO (Lawson) is a pure EDGE splitting time at the 7 and 9 spots  

Yes, i understand.  But say the OL at 15 the jets would want are gone.  Is there a DL at 15 at any position they’d consider or would DL only be considered after a trade back?  And would someone like Harrison be a target if they traded back tonight?