Breece Hall grumbling about a potential Dalvin Cook acquisition.

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, Jethead said:

Cook is a pretty good receiver. It's one of the attributes that makes him an attractive addition. 

He is?  11 drops over the last 2 seasons.  ~ 5 yards per target (putrid) and less than 70 % catch rate (bad - 35th among RBs in the category in '22) in that span.  Don't think you can blame that on Kirk Cousins either.  @Warfish

Combine that with his fumbling problems (4 per season over the last 4 years) and he has shockingly bad hands for someone with such a lofty pedigree.

Michael Carter was a better receiving back in '22 than Cook was and we all are aware of the caliber of QBs that were throwing it to him.

[Jetsfan80]

41 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Yards after contact is a bullsh*t stat. You can Literally touch a guy and that's considered contact I'm talking about breaking real tackles not bullsh*t ones. There is almost always contact when going through a hole at the LOS.

OK.  Well if everyone is dealing with the same set of rules (getting touched) then that all evens out.  Some contact will be tackles, some will be light contact....for everyone.  

That's the magic of sample sizes:  Enough data and those nitpicky details no longer matter much.

[Jetsfan80]

34 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Not sure what that means but If I had to choose between Carter and Knight it would be Knight 

Well yeah, me too.  Because Bam is an early down guy and Carter is a 3rd down back.  Still doesn't make your Yards after Contact critique all that meaningful.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

41 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He is?  11 drops over the last 2 seasons.  ~ 5 yards per target (putrid) and less than 70 % catch rate (bad - 35th among RBs in the category in '22) in that span.  Don't think you can blame that on Kirk Cousins either.  @Warfish

Combine that with his fumbling problems (4 per season over the last 4 years) and he has shockingly bad hands for someone with such a lofty pedigree.

Michael Carter was a better receiving back in '22 than Cook was and we all are aware of the caliber of QBs that were throwing it to him.

Fumbling problems...just as much as every other big time pass catching back...

[BornJetsFan1983]

32 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Well yeah, me too.  Because Bam is an early down guy and Carter is a 3rd down back.  Still doesn't make your Yards after Contact critique all that meaningful.  

Would you choose cook Carter or bam?

Fyi; Your answer should be cook

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Would you choose cook Carter or bam?

Fyi; Your answer should be cook

Yes, of course I would choose Cook over Bam in a vacuum.  But not if it requires a 2-year contract and/or > $5M per to acquire Cook.  

[Jetsfan80]

9 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Fumbling problems...just as much as every other big time pass catching back...

He’s not a “big time pass catching back”.  He sucks at pass catching.  

Yes, Austin Ekeler fumbled 5x last year.  1 more than Cook.  He also put up huge #’s in the passing game.  Cook gets you less than 5 yards per target.  Ekeler catches it 80+ % of the time.  Cook under 70 %.

[Smashmouth]

42 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

OK.  Well if everyone is dealing with the same set of rules (getting touched) then that all evens out.  Some contact will be tackles, some will be light contact....for everyone.  

That's the magic of sample sizes:  Enough data and those nitpicky details no longer matter much.

yeah but look at some of the yards after touch stats some players have tons of yards after touch its just a crappy stat .. If people want to claim advanced stats like PFF does then evaluate every play and where the tackle break was actually worth being part of the entire stat pool

[y2k8]

2 hours ago, WestCoastMole said:

Read this knucklehead. Go straight to Section 3. http://espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/92219/signing-dalvin-cook-could-give-new-york-jets-ridiculous-backfield

You should be embarrassed. It took you almost a full day to come up with:

In the offseason, Hall let it be known via a since-deleted tweet that he wasn't thrilled when Ezekiel Elliott rumors surfaced.

It's not even about Cook, knucklehead.

Take the L and sit down already.

[Pac]

Gotta believe this JetFan80 idiotic Anti-Cook Crusade (ACC) is the stupidest thing going on the board the last few days.

[JetsRay]

Hall looks pissed!! 😂😂

[HighPitch]

7 minutes ago, JetsRay said:

Hall looks pissed!! 😂😂

He must be grumbling and or mumbling about cook

[JohnJ]

12 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

He must be grumbling and or mumbling about cook

Exactly. He's grumbling mumbling talking sh*t to loyalty guy and has his hood up so nobody can tell.

[nj meadowlands]

7 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

@nj meadowlands is the forum's "Outrage Coordinator".   

 

Does that make you “the guy who thinks he’s clever when he repeatedly goes against what Phil has asked us not to do literally a thousand times like a total jerkoff”?  It’s a long title, but I think you’re up for it.

[JKlecko]

On 7/29/2023 at 5:43 PM, WestCoastMole said:

The only year that should matter to a running back is his Contract Year. With the current CBA Rookies have almost no leverage. And when they come due for their second contract they are considered washed up.

If Breece could sit out most of the season and come back in December and get Playoff Reps in January that would be ideal. Then come back in 2024 for a full season. Get the Big Numbers and old out in 2025.

The grumbling makes no sense.

How would sitting out most of the 2023 season be ideal?  Ideal for whom?  Not for Hall, and probably not for the Jets.  If the Jets have any hopes of going deep into the playoffs, then they need Hall.  Hall is in good shape by all reports.  He thinks he's ready.  Maybe the Jets are being overcautious because of what happened with Becton last year.

[Paradis]

On 7/29/2023 at 1:08 PM, Dcat said:

but if she offered you another gal to share touches you would be .....   

boy have i got some stories for you next time i'm out there

[Jetsfan80]

7 hours ago, Pac said:

Gotta believe this JetFan80 idiotic Anti-Cook Crusade (ACC) is the stupidest thing going on the board the last few days.

Couldn't even tag me, coward!

[Joe W. Namath]

7 hours ago, JetsRay said:

Hall looks pissed!! 😂😂

Hall prob told him, “Dont waste your time has been.  Im 20 plus touches from the get go!”

[JKlecko]

15 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

I think Carter offer something Izzy and Cook don’t in the passing game. Bam can catch the ball. But Carter is better at it.

Perhaps, but Bam is a better runner and he can also return kickoffs.  You don't see Bam geting stuffed behind the LOS.  It's already happened to Carter like 4-5 times just this past week in TC.

[Joe W. Namath]

Just now, JKlecko said:

Perhaps, but Bam is a better runner and he can also return kickoffs.  You don't see Bam geting stuffed behind the LOS.  It's already happened to Carter like 4-5 times just this past week in TC.

Jets fans loved bam his 1st few games.  Then bam got hurt but was a gamer and player through a very painful injury.  And because of that, jet fans think he sucks.

Jet fans……

[extmenace]

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

What was his silly tweet that was disturbing?  That disrespects his team or teammates?

 

Typing “lol” after the news breaks. Was it disturbing or disrespectful? No. Did he just give all of social media something to run with and to spin? Sure did. Why even post it? These players should know by now that everything they say is put under a microscope and can be blown way out of proportion. We are having a multi page discussion over it…

[Sperm Edwards]

On 7/30/2023 at 8:14 AM, BCJet said:

This post is unfortunately the reality and I dont see any other way to look at it and thats why I want no part of Cook here.  

In addition to all the RB news and money issues, I really think JD and Saleh could use this whole situation in a positive way by sitting down with the RB group and saying "guys - we love this group and we arent gonna bring in cook, we trust you...now its time to not let us down".  That is the type of thing that could really galvanize the group.

This of course depends on how these guys are playing.  To me, Carter is enough of a veteran that I think Rogers could trust him in pass pro.  McKnight should be able to hold down some sort of role on early downs and Izzy can be brough along slowly and not put in a position to hurt us in pass pro.  We can then bring Breece along slowly.  

Truth is even the best of the 4 (or 5 if Cook is added) in camp are going to be much of anything in pass protection. Few RBs around the league are probably any good either, unless you’re taking fullbacks. At best they probably create a half second delay anyway when they don’t outright whiff.