KRL Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I know we've been hit with Rodgers and AVT going down, but are we seeing more Achilles injuries around the league? If so what could be causing them: - Training techniques - Have players worked on their knee ligaments (ACL) so much they've neglected their Achilles - Turf / grass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TuscanyTile2 Posted October 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2023 I feel like it's kind of trendy right now for players to be out with an achilles injury. I think it's like a Tik Tok thing or some sh-t. And the NFL is a copycat league. 1 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Our training staff has been poor for the Gase and Saleh regimes, and the latter part of the Rex Ryan one. If memory serves me right I don’t recall the Bowels regime having this many injuries every year??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Here’s a study that addresses a few questions. Turf vs Grass is not the issue. During this time, most injuries occurred in rookies. And a large part also occurred in preseason/offseason. Not sure what to make of the second part, since the study doesn't try to explain why rookies get injured at a higher rate. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2473011419S00352#:~:text=Injuries are an ever-present,rankings by over fifty percent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post whodeawhodat Posted October 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2023 I saw one of the internet doctors that is well respected by pat mcafee say that as players have gotten bigger faster stronger our achilles tendon has stayed the same and cannot be built up thus has become an even weaker link to our leg. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Be nice to hear from a physical therapist or doctor. My hunch is that it is related to high levels of training intensity. And lack of proper rest. Guessing - they are probably doing tons of plyometric work which can put a lot of stress on the lower body. Also, if the calfs aren’t properly trained, it can lead to muscle imbalances which cause issues with leg injuries. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I'm kind of surprised it's not more common. These men are massive and trying to move other massive men, I'm not sure that tendon was really made to sustain that kind of impact but that's just me being a dumb dumb and not knowing anything about sports science and the impact on the body. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Not sure but possibly the shoes and length of cleats may be an issue. Players possibly having too much grip on the turf weather synthetic or natural might cause extra stress on tendons. Not a doctor just thinking out loud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 We could see a pre-emptive surgery down the line....steel belted Achilles and ACLs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Adoni Beast said: Our training staff has been poor for the Gase and Saleh regimes, and the latter part of the Rex Ryan one. If memory serves me right I don’t recall the Bowels regime having this many injuries every year??? Once they had to can Sal Alosi things havent been the same 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, GreenFish said: Not sure what to make of the second part, since the study doesn't try to explain why rookies get injured at a higher rate. This is just me taking a stab at it as I'm not even close to being an expert on sport science but it could be because the physical demands of the pro game are a lot for 22-23 year olds who haven't been through an off-season strength and conditioning program yet...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Things Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Leo Messi refuses to play on turf. If, you know, the greatest soccer player in history, who makes his living with his feet, will only play on grass, maybe there's something to that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I think injuries just happen. Rodgers says stretching his calf and achilles is some of his favorite work. And he tore his. Things happen when you play a contact sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Bobby816 said: I think injuries just happen. Rodgers says stretching his calf and achilles is some of his favorite work. And he tore his. Things happen when you play a contact sport. Maybe he overstretched it. Like a rubber band you pull too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Bobby816 said: I think injuries just happen. Rodgers says stretching his calf and achilles is some of his favorite work. And he tore his. Things happen when you play a contact sport. Pretty much. ACLs happen every year. Achilles gonna happen too. AVT happened on grass. So, sh*t happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 hours ago, KRL said: ......are we seeing more Achilles injuries around the league? The data should be out there online. I wouldn't theorize until we actually can show we're seeing more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Eliminate preseason games, add one more game to the regular season for a total of 18 games instead of 21 games that are normally played. . By the way, the NFL needs to get rid of kickoffs. They are a waste of time and it will also help decrease the chances of unnecessary injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy and the Jets Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I'm still waiting on just one occasion to hear "whew we really dodged a bullet there" as opposed to receiving news that it is the worst possible outcome seemingly 100% of the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 My theory is the league filters out the weak AVT is not built for right tackle Rodgers should be retired How does a guy like Jason Peters do it for 20 years? By being a rare world class athlete AVT and Rodgers are OK athletes by nfl standards they aren't world class That hit Rodgers took was a normal hit for a 25 year old or some Josh Allen type physical freak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, bitonti said: My theory is the league filters out the weak AVT is not built for right tackle Rodgers should be retired How does a guy like Jason Peters do it for 20 years? By being a rare world class athlete AVT and Rodgers are OK athletes by nfl standards they aren't world class That hit Rodgers took was a normal hit for a 25 year old or some Josh Allen type physical freak. Rodgers won back-to-back MVPs in his age 37 & 38 seasons. Can't do that without athleticism and toughness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Rodgers won back-to-back MVPs in his age 37 & 38 seasons. Can't do that without athleticism and toughness. None of that has anything to do with Rodgers at 39 and 40 He was done as a player last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I found this graphic while doing some research. "Number of acute Achilles tendon ruptures occurring in the National Football League regular seasons from 1998 to 2022. Additional numbers of acute Achilles tendon ruptures for prior years are listed from prior studies as cited within the figure. *From Lawrence et al., OJSM 2015 [14]. †From Myer et al., JOSPT 2011 [18]. ˚Averages from Parekh et al., Foot and Ankle Specialist 2009 [21]" It does indeed seem as if Achilles injuries have increased over time. I don't know why a 6 year span is just not there, but I think the point of the graphic was to show how it increased after the pandemic. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36645466/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, bitonti said: None of that has anything to do with Rodgers at 39 and 40 He was done as a player last year Of course not but again, you can't play at an elite level at age 38 without athleticism and toughness, which you implied Rodgers lacked. Simply not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Of course not but again, you can't play at an elite level at age 38 without athleticism and toughness, which you implied Rodgers lacked. Simply not true. What I said was he was ok by nfl standards AVT too OK means yes some athletic talent but he's not elite with it. OK in the NFL means alot Becton and Quinnen for example are examples of physical outliers Zach is also only OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Hex said: I found this graphic while doing some research. "Number of acute Achilles tendon ruptures occurring in the National Football League regular seasons from 1998 to 2022. Additional numbers of acute Achilles tendon ruptures for prior years are listed from prior studies as cited within the figure. *From Lawrence et al., OJSM 2015 [14]. †From Myer et al., JOSPT 2011 [18]. ˚Averages from Parekh et al., Foot and Ankle Specialist 2009 [21]" It does indeed seem as if Achilles injuries have increased over time. I don't know why a 6 year span is just not there, but I think the point of the graphic was to show how it increased after the pandemic. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36645466/ I wonder if it's because players spend more time in the weight room and less time with things like stretching.... I know some of the best WR and CB of the previous generation would do ballet and yoga to not have their muscles so tightly strung and never be injured 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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