bonkertons Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 That just ain’t happening. MAYBE if they really love the kid they’ll trade down and take him. I don’t see any way we take him at 10 though. I’m pretty confident it’ll be a weapon. I still expect us to sign Bakhtiari, and at that point the starting OL is set. You’re not going to spend a 10th overall pick on an OT as Bakh insurance. Maybe Odunze drops, but more likely it’ll be Bowers or a trade down for a WR. That’s my guess at the moment. Only way I see us taking a QB in the 1st is if Maye drops. Even then I’d say we’re more likely to trade out and let someone else pay for him. I’m 100% for taking a QB this year if the board plays out a certain way but not Penix(in the 1st, at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, bonkertons said: That just ain’t happening. MAYBE if they really love the kid they’ll trade down and take him. I don’t see any way we take him at 10 though. I’m pretty confident it’ll be a weapon. I still expect us to sign Bakhtiari, and at that point the starting OL is set. You’re not going to spend a 10th overall pick on an OT as Bakh insurance. Maybe Odunze drops, but more likely it’ll be Bowers or a trade down for a WR. That’s my guess at the moment. Only way I see us taking a QB in the 1st is if Maye drops. Even then I’d say we’re more likely to trade out and let someone else pay for him. I’m 100% for taking a WR this year if the board plays out a certain way but not Penix(in the 1st, at least). Warren is the Bakhtiari insurance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, bicketybam said: So tackle at 10? Why? 3 UFAs = not possible to be fixed. 2 UFAs and a rookie = fixed. Hwhat?? If you’re talking about long term sure, I get it. Having 3 core pieces in place will make you feel a lot better about the OL as a whole instead of having just 2 of those guys. If we’re talking this year though? How do people believe that we have a better chance of winning this year with a rookie on the OL instead of a veteran? This OL math is breaking my brain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Rich Thornburgh said: Warren is the Bakhtiari insurance Exactly. Which I’m completely happy with. He looked impressive in his limited time last year at LT, and should only be better with another TC under his belt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, bonkertons said: Why? 3 UFAs = not possible to be fixed. 2 UFAs and a rookie = fixed. Hwhat?? If you’re talking about long term sure, I get it. Having 3 core pieces in place will make you feel a lot better about the OL as a whole instead of having just 2 of those guys. If we’re talking this year though? How do people believe that we have a better chance of winning this year with a rookie on the OL instead of a veteran? This OL math is breaking my brain. Also insane: thinking the Jets are winning anything this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, bonkertons said: Exactly. Which I’m completely happy with. He looked impressive in his limited time last year at LT, and should only be better with another TC under his belt. Warren looked ok at LT last season yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, bonkertons said: That just ain’t happening. MAYBE if they really love the kid they’ll trade down and take him. I don’t see any way we take him at 10 though. I’m pretty confident it’ll be a weapon. I still expect us to sign Bakhtiari, and at that point the starting OL is set. You’re not going to spend a 10th overall pick on an OT as Bakh insurance. Maybe Odunze drops, but more likely it’ll be Bowers or a trade down for a WR. That’s my guess at the moment. Only way I see us taking a QB in the 1st is if Maye drops. Even then I’d say we’re more likely to trade out and let someone else pay for him. I’m 100% for taking a QB this year if the board plays out a certain way but not Penix(in the 1st, at least). If you buy into the idea that penix and nix fall to round 2, then i wonder if the jets are prepared to give up 2025 draft picks to move up and bring in a guy who may well play this season and start next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, bonkertons said: Why? 3 UFAs = not possible to be fixed. 2 UFAs and a rookie = fixed. Hwhat?? If you’re talking about long term sure, I get it. Having 3 core pieces in place will make you feel a lot better about the OL as a whole instead of having just 2 of those guys. If we’re talking this year though? How do people believe that we have a better chance of winning this year with a rookie on the OL instead of a veteran? This OL math is breaking my brain. I was replying to someone that said the OL can't be fixed with just FA which you seem to be on board with. So I asked if that's the case then so you take a tackle at 10 since the OL can't be fixed with just FA. That's all. I guess your position is that there is no way to fix it for the upcoming season so draft a WR. I'd prefer to draft one as well with the 10 and take my chances with FA and a latter round OT pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: If you buy into the idea that penix and nix fall to round 2, then i wonder if the jets are prepared to give up 2025 draft picks to move up and bring in a guy who may well play this season and start next year. Good Lord no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: His injury history is absolutely terrifying, but I’m a fan of him as a prospect on the field Regardless, isn’t he expected to drop waaay past 10 overall? You probably trade down and still take him. I would love to be able to trade back, grab a second rounder for someone wanting McCarthy and then getting our OL, Pennix, and WR. Let him sit for 2 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Kelly2Allen18 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: His injury history is absolutely terrifying, but I’m a fan of him as a prospect on the field Regardless, isn’t he expected to drop waaay past 10 overall? You probably trade down and still take him. Jim Kellys injury history was even worse during the legendary 83 class. Probably the greatest draft class ever, especially in the first round 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted March 15 Popular Post Share Posted March 15 If Douglas passes up the unique opportunity to have Penix and Kuntz on the same roster, he is officially dead to me. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, 83Kelly2Allen18 said: Jim Kellys injury history was even worse So, the question is, for every QB who enters the draft with a bad injury history - what percentage of them turn into Jim Kelly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: If he’s available at 10 he needs to be the pick. We can fix the OL in free agency and already are in that process I would draft Penix because QB is a gaping hole on this team. MVP Rodgers is never coming back in 2024. The best you can hope for with 40 year old Rodgers, is he turns into 2022 Rodgers, which is basically Derek Carr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 58 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Warren looked ok at LT last season yes Jetxfactor.com does really good breakdowns - take a look at the carter warren one. As much as I hoped he was good enough to compete at RT he really struggled when he was on the field, hence the move for Moses. I dont mind the pick, always good to take as many mid round shots on premium positions because if you hit its so big, but im not sure i see Warren or Mitchell as a long term starter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Kelly2Allen18 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 42 minutes ago, slimjasi said: So, the question is, for every QB who enters the draft with a bad injury history - what percentage of them turn into Jim Kelly? Its a misleading question because most QBs in general fail. A better question is how good do u think penix is and what is the main injury concern? If you think he's really good, then that would be the main reason you draft him. Not vague data on QBs of the past of any draft ranking with any injury concerns If he's torn his ACL twice, that's not really a massive concern especially for a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Because if he winds up playing in 2024 everyone will be fired. It’s Aaron Rodgers or bust. They’ll worry about qb in 2025 if they get extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 The Jets could take a QB at 10 depending on what happens. It's hard to understand what the direction of this team is. They don't appear to be building like it's a "win now" scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Too much of a typo risk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said: Its a misleading question because most QBs in general fail. Yeah, this occurred to me when I was writing it, but I was being lazy. I'll rephrase: Of all QBs who enter the draft, what percentage of them are good and is that percentage significantly lower for guys who have a significant injury history? I don't know the answer. 11 minutes ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said: If you think he's really good, then that would be the main reason you draft him. Not vague data on QBs of the past of any draft ranking with any injury concerns I have no idea what you mean by "vague data", but you'd be foolish to not consider any available data on how past QBs with an injury history entering the NFL draft fared in comparison to healthy QBs entering the draft. Now, obviously, if you think he's really good, you might be willing to gamble on him. 10 minutes ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said: If he's torn his ACL twice, that's not really a massive concern especially for a QB. Uhm . . . huh? Multiple season ending knee injuries before you even get to the NFL is a big deal. In Penix's case, he's hurt the same knee twice (not good) and also hurt both shoulders. Sustaining four major injuries before you have played a snap in the NFL is a LOT. Like A LOT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 34 minutes ago, BCJet said: Jetxfactor.com does really good breakdowns - take a look at the carter warren one. As much as I hoped he was good enough to compete at RT he really struggled when he was on the field, hence the move for Moses. I dont mind the pick, always good to take as many mid round shots on premium positions because if you hit its so big, but im not sure i see Warren or Mitchell as a long term starter Warren is better at LT then RT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 47 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: I would draft Penix because QB is a gaping hole on this team. MVP Rodgers is never coming back in 2024. The best you can hope for with 40 year old Rodgers, is he turns into 2022 Rodgers, which is basically Derek Carr. Rodgers is not playing another 3 years. Anyone who believes that is very stupid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Rodgers is not playing another 3 years. Anyone who believes that is very stupidYet thinking he is going to retire to join a presidental ticket with no shot at winning after declaring he wants to play another 3-4 years is MENSA level thinking! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Kelly2Allen18 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Yeah, this occurred to me when I was writing it, but I was being lazy. I'll rephrase: Of all QBs who enter the draft, what percentage of them are good and is that percentage significantly lower for guys who have a significant injury history? I don't know the answer. I have no idea what you mean by "vague data", but you'd be foolish to not consider any available data on how past QBs with an injury history entering the NFL draft fared in comparison to healthy QBs entering the draft. Now, obviously, if you think he's really good, you might be willing to gamble on him. Uhm . . . huh? Multiple season ending knee injuries before you even get to the NFL is a big deal. In Penix's case, he's hurt the same knee twice (not good) and also hurt both shoulders. Sustaining four major injuries before you have played a snap in the NFL is a LOT. Like A LOT. I generally agree with your point. unless there is somethings degenerative with his knee it's not going to matter with him playing qb. Everything I have read says he's been fine the past two years with no long term issues. My main point is, if you think he's really good, then just take him. Even if there is some injury concern. Hes not playing this year regardless of next most likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Kelly2Allen18 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: If you buy into the idea that penix and nix fall to round 2, then i wonder if the jets are prepared to give up 2025 draft picks to move up and bring in a guy who may well play this season and start next year. That's extremely unwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashlite80 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: If he’s available at 10 he needs to be the pick. We can fix the OL in free agency and already are in that process If they fill the LT in free agency, then they can consider a trade back. If McCarthy or Pennix is there and another team really wants them, you could swap #1's and get a #2. This draft is deep on the offensive line and WR. Then they are in a strong position to add quality depth on the O-line and a solid #2 receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: If he’s available at 10 he needs to be the pick. We can fix the OL in free agency and already are in that process If he or another desirable qb is available at 10, we need to trade down. Grab a 2nd. Pick a OL and WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, bicketybam said: 10 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Rodgers is not playing another 3 years. Anyone who believes that is very stupid Yet thinking he is going to retire to join a presidental ticket with no shot at winning after declaring he wants to play another 3-4 years is MENSA level thinking! Do you really think Rodgers can play until he’s 44? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooooon Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Comparing Zach to Penix is like comparing an 81 Chevy Nova to a Tesla Model X Yet you compare Peyton Manning to Penix. Cmon guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 25 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Do you really think Rodgers can play until he’s 44? Most likely not but I think he's 100% playing this year and the following year will depend on how 2024 went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYDreamer Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 When I was at the Senior Bowl practices, Jeff Ulbrich would always go and speak to him privately. Coaching him up regarding defenses and I think just trying to get to know the kid. Great kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Kelly2Allen18 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 40 minutes ago, bicketybam said: 42 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Rodgers is not playing another 3 years. Anyone who believes that is very stupid Yet thinking he is going to retire to join a presidental ticket with no shot at winning after declaring he wants to play another 3-4 years is MENSA level thinking! I almost got into mensa... Until I realized I'm a jets fan. That lowers your IQ a full standard deviation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswinbaby! Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 If Joe Douglas loves Penix, I won't hold it against him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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