Time to be Concerned About Haason Reddick Hold Out?

[GangGreened]

I mean the guy is probably pissed off that he’s being upended to be a one year rental for the New York Jets of all teams, rather than getting a new deal. I think he will show up for TC.

[bicketybam]

2 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

I mean the guy is probably pissed off that he’s being upended to be a one year rental for the New York Jets of all teams, rather than getting a new deal. I think he will show up for TC.

Why wouldn't he be excited to join a top 5 defense? 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Said what?

You posted what boils down to "don't worry, he'll show up, it'll be fine".  

I made a broad comment that "don't worry, it'll be fine" is a regular reply on this forum (not by you specifically, that was never stated nor intimated) to all the risks we face going into 2024.  

And that I hope everyone turns out right about it.

Did I really have to spell this out to you?    Stop looking for things to be fake-mad about ffs.

 

If you kept your comment to Reddick specifically, you would be correct. When you generalized Dierking's comments and lumped him in with "Just like all the "don't worry, it'll be fine" claims this offseason" crowd for no good reason you came off as high-handed and dismissive. Dierking offered some very detailed comments as to why he's confident about Riddick. He didn't say anything about any other player, coach, manager, or owner. Seems pretty obvious. Not sure why you're now trying to dodge your snarkiness.

[ARodJetsFan]

31 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

He owes the Jets nothing.

I appreciate your detailed take on Reddick's career.

Clearly you've followed him far closer than I have.

That said, what I bolded above is where we completely disagree.  

The Jets traded for Reddick when the Eagles felt he was expendable and the Jets front office spoke to him before and after the trade was made, per multiple reports.

It's was also reported by multiple media outlets, that Reddick told multiple people within the Jets organization, he would attend the off-season program/workouts and then made the decision (without informing the team) to just not show up.

When you make a commitment to a team that traded for you, you absolutley have an obligation to that team, to honor that commitment.

To say that Reddick "owes the Jets nothing" is a total bullsh!t statement, in my opinion.

To make a commitment (verbal or otherwise) telling the team one thing and then turning around and doing the exact opposite of what you committed yourself to do, without any communication with the team that traded for you, speaks very poorly of Reddick's character.

If you're not a man of your word & don't stand by your commitments, nobody will respect you in any venue, sports or otherwise.

Needless to say, my opinion of Reddick, is pretty piss-poor right now.

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Well I have, as I watch majority of all Eagles games. Aside from his play, which his numbers speak for themself, and they stand in elite company. Particularly because of the number of snaps he is involved with. 

I tend to love players that have chips on their shoulders. Especially players that have faced incredible odds and been given nothing in their lives. Consider:

-Reddick had injuries in high school. Did not play much his junior and senior years.

-He was not recruited at all, and received zero offers.

-He walked on at Temple as a an undersized player playing safety, moved to DE and became an all-AAC player. He parlayed that into a first round draft pick. That should give you an indication as to the type of drive he has to succeed. 

-Initially Reddick was seen as a bust in the NFL for where he was drafted. And then in 2020 he flashed, and showed the promise of what he later became. He signed with the Panthers on a one year deal, exclusively because his former college coach (Rhule) was the head coach. Signed a one year deal.

-After that year, he decided it was time to come home because that is important to him (he is from Camden, NJ). 

-He has become involved in numerous charities in this area. He gives back to the community, particularly Camden.

-He is not a one-trick pony. In this day of rotational specialists on the D-line, Reddick is not that. in 2023 he participated in 73% of his teams defensive snaps. That places in the top 25 of the NFL. Bryce Huff? Participated in 42% of team defensive snaps. Do you think it would be easier to flash great plays when you can pick your spot to go all out? Of course.

I appreciate the effort and passion you put into this, but I'll repeat:  I have not questioned him as a player. 

If you felt this information needed to be out there for the forum at-large, great, but if you felt you were in some way arguing with me about his play, his play was never questioned.  As noted, my first comment in here was explicitly a criticism of JD (not Riddick) and implicitly because of the contract holdout (not Riddick's ability or play). 

I'm happy to defer to your superior knowledge of this player and his life history.  

8 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I will ask this question: if you were the father or the agent of Reddick, would you advise him to go to min-camp and risk injury, as well dilute some leverage? Personally, I would not.

As a Jet fan, of course I would love to see him at camp.

I'm not his father, and I don't particularly care what his father would think or say.  My interests are entirely in the "Jet Fan/Jets winning" camp.  I don't (generally) emotionally invest in the financial or off-field wellbeing or betterment of the players at the cost of the Jets.  If we could have all-pro future-HOF players at every position and pay them like UDFA walk-on's, I'd be 100% for that, because that is what would be best for the Jets and our chance of winning.

As a Jets Fan, who wants us to win in 2024, I want Riddick here participating.  As a Jets fan I do not care one iota what he gets paid.  I prefer it be less (conceptually), only so we have more money to pay others, generally, and field a better team. 

But ultimately, my rather mundane original criticism is specifically on JD as GM for not working this out prior to the trade (1) or failing to foresee this as a lingering issue and addressing it after the trade in time to get Riddick in camp and participating from day 1. 

I think camp time is important.  I believe every NFL Head Coach would say the same, outside PR rationalizations for why players aren't there.  Obviously, as many argued in re: Rodgers missing mandatory camp, if you feel camp is meaningless or irrelevant, then you may not care about missed time.  And that's fine too.

[bicketybam]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I appreciate the effort and passion you put into this, but I'll repeat:  I have not questioned him as a player. 

If you felt this information needed to be out there for the forum at-large, great, but if you felt you were in some way arguing with me about his play, his play was never questioned.  As noted, my first comment in here was explicitly a criticism of JD (not Riddick) and implicitly because of the contract holdout (not Riddick's ability or play). 

I'm happy to defer to your superior knowledge of this player and his life history.  

I'm not his father, and I don't particularly care what his father would think or say.  My interests are entirely in the "Jet Fan/Jets winning" camp.  I don't (generally) emotionally invest in the financial or off-field wellbeing or betterment of the players at the cost of the Jets.  If we could have all-pro future-HOF players at every position and pay them like UDFA walk-on's, I'd be 100% for that, because that is what would be best for the Jets and our chance of winning.

As a Jets Fan, who wants us to win in 2024, I want Riddick here participating.  As a Jets fan I do not care one iota what he gets paid.  I prefer it be less (conceptually), only so we have more money to pay others, generally, and field a better team. 

But ultimately, my rather mundane original criticism is specifically on JD as GM for not working this out prior to the trade (1) or failing to foresee this as a lingering issue and addressing it after the trade in time to get Riddick in camp and participating from day 1. 

I think camp time is important.  I believe every NFL Head Coach would say the same, outside PR rationalizations for why players aren't there.  Obviously, as many argued in re: Rodgers missing mandatory camp, if you feel camp is meaningless or irrelevant, then you may not care about missed time.  And that's fine too.

 

[Scott Dierking]

15 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I'm happy to defer to your superior knowledge.

Finally, something we can both agree upon. 😉

[kmnj]

22 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said:

I appreciate your detailed take on Reddick's career.

Clearly you've followed him far closer than I have.

That said, what I bolded above is where we completely disagree.  

The Jets traded for Reddick when the Eagles felt he was expendable and the Jets front office spoke to him before and after the trade was made, per multiple reports.

It's was also reported by multiple media outlets, that Reddick told multiple people within the Jets organization, he would attend the off-season program/workouts and then made the decision (without informing the team) to just not show up.

When you make a commitment to a team that traded for you, you absolutley have an obligation to that team, to honor that commitment.

To say that Reddick "owes the Jets nothing" is a total bullsh!t statement, in my opinion.

To make a commitment (verbal or otherwise) telling the team one thing and then turning around and doing the exact opposite of what you committed yourself to do, without any communication with the team that traded for you, speaks very poorly of Reddick's character.

If you're not a man of your word & don't stand by your commitments, nobody will respect you in any venue - sports or otherwise.

Needless to say, my opinion of Reddick, is pretty piss-poor right now.

he owes the jets nothing-TEAMS LIE TO PLAYERS ALL OF THE TIME.

the jets were stupid thinking he would play on a one year deal with an injury risk 

the jets were stupid letting huff go-eagles ate joes lunch

 

 

 

 

 

[Scott Dierking]

22 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said:

I appreciate your detailed take on Reddick's career.

Clearly you've followed him far closer than I have.

That said, what I bolded above is where we completely disagree.  

The Jets traded for Reddick when the Eagles felt he was expendable and the Jets front office spoke to him before and after the trade was made, per multiple reports.

It's was also reported by multiple media outlets, that Reddick told multiple people within the Jets organization, he would attend the off-season program/workouts and then made the decision (without informing the team) to just not show up.

When you make a commitment to a team that traded for you, you absolutley have an obligation to that team, to honor that commitment.

To say that Reddick "owes the Jets nothing" is a total bullsh!t statement, in my opinion.

To make a commitment (verbal or otherwise) telling the team one thing and then turning around and doing the exact opposite of what you committed yourself to do, without any communication with the team that traded for you, speaks very poorly of Reddick's character.

If you're not a man of your word & don't stand by your commitments, nobody will respect you in any venue, sports or otherwise.

Needless to say, my opinion of Reddick, is pretty piss-poor right now.

Not a great look, I agree. I imagine his agent probably got to him. Maybe. Maybe not.

Personally, I am not a big believer in men running around in shorts together for 3 days in June, and the effect that can have in September games. I may be wrong.

[Warfish]

6 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

If you kept your comment to Reddick specifically, you would be correct.

My comment was about JD (management), not Riddick (labor).  

6 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

When you generalized Dierking's comments and lumped him in with "Just like all the "don't worry, it'll be fine" claims this offseason" crowd for no good reason you came off as high-handed and dismissive.

"For no good reason"?  Sorry you feel that way, but it doesn't mean anything to me.  

My "good reason" is that in my experience this offseason, I have been replied to regularly by various folks with "don't worry about it, it'll be fine" replies.  I don't feel I require any additional justification to lump another, very similar, "it'll be fine" reply in to that broad group.

I certainly don't think it's being "high handed" in any way.

6 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Dierking offered some very detailed comments as to why he's confident about Riddick.

He did.  Not really relevant to a criticism of JD, but he clearly has passion about Riddick.

6 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

He didn't say anything about any other player, coach, manager, or owner. 

And I didn't say he did. 

But I did say his reply falls into a broad category of replies quite common in my experience this offseason.

SMH, **** sake. 

[Warfish]

18 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

 

Love those Riddick flicks.  Well, the last one was just ok, but still liked it.

[Integrity28]

2 hours ago, JustInFudge said:

lol - while true, fwiw, he's not like, wrong.  Josh Allen doesnt report into the Jags until training camp.  He steady practices/prepares at his own personal coaches facility.  He did this last year, w/ a big contract looming, everyone thought it was a hold out.  It wasnt, he just wanted to be the best version of himself.  He went on to have 17.5 sacks, @New York Mick to which accredited this success back to choosing to train on his own vs. the Jags stuff.   Signed a mega pay day this offseason, still working out at his preferred facility.

 

Yeah, I get it. Saleh should simply know better to sound so wishy washy. Just say, “I’m good with it.” Not the crap he does where he’s fence sitting.

[ARodJetsFan]

25 minutes ago, kmnj said:

he owes the jets nothing-TEAMS LIE TO PLAYERS ALL OF THE TIME.

the jets were stupid thinking he would play on a one year deal with an injury risk 

the jets were stupid letting huff go-eagles ate joes lunch

 

 

 

 

 

Disagree on all fronts.

[Rich Thornburgh]

Did Hassan get to visit Robot Restaurant?

[ARodJetsFan]

27 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Not a great look, I agree. I imagine his agent probably got to him.

However it actually went down (there's no way to know what the truth really is) it makes Reddick look like a lying, selfish, douche-bag.

[GangGreened]

53 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Why wouldn't he be excited to join a top 5 defense? 

Because he knows he’s probably not getting a deal here and left a team that went to the SB two years ago? 

[Rich Thornburgh]

20 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

Because he knows he’s probably not getting a deal here and left a team that went to the SB two years ago? 

All it takes is one false move and he tears an ACL and loses $80 million.  Don’t be shocked if Reddick sits out the entire season unless JD throws him a bone

[bicketybam]

24 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

Because he knows he’s probably not getting a deal here and left a team that went to the SB two years ago? 

Then he can leave as a FA and get whatever he can somewhere else. He's going to get paid by someone.

Eagles were awesome last year, until they weren't. The lost 5 out of the last 6 games and then got smoked in the WC game.

[Scott Dierking]

8 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

 Don’t be shocked if Reddick sits out the entire season 

Yeah, that is not happening.

[slats]

20 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

All it takes is one false move and he tears an ACL and loses $80 million.  Don’t be shocked if Reddick sits out the entire season unless JD throws him a bone

Yeah, sorry, I will be shocked despite your warnings. 

[The Crusher]

11 minutes ago, slats said:

Yeah, sorry, I will be shocked despite your warnings. 

You be like....  "he's sitting out!"

 

 

[Jet Nut]

On 6/10/2024 at 2:31 PM, T0mShane said:

Weird to let Huff walk and then trade for a guy you know wanted a big-money extension without giving him that extension, especially when you have no cap space in year one. 

They didn’t let him walk, he tested FA and took an offer.  They tried to sign him but he wanted to see his worth on the open market and wanted a chance to be more than a situational pass rusher with the Jets.  
That the Jets were able to replace him with a better player was just the way it played out. 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

All it takes is one false move and he tears an ACL and loses $80 million.  Don’t be shocked if Reddick sits out the entire season unless JD throws him a bone

Yeah because the last time a player sat out to force a team to extend the deal he has in place was when exactly?  

[varjet]

• Riddick is not sitting out the season and losing $15mm, which I presume is guaranteed on the first day of the regular season.
• Riddick is not practicing unless he gets that $15mm guaranteed.   He is better off sitting out and signing a long term contract next year.  In reality what would happen is that the Jets would do a proper sign and trade with another team, for worse compensation than they gave to the Eagles, and trade Riddick to a team that gave him a long term contract.
• I don't think the Jets are giving Riddick a long term contract with McDonald and JJII on the roster, and an open question of whether AR8 is playing in 2025.   You don't pay a pass rusher $25mm/year if you have no QB.  
• From a management perspective this is not a good look, but I don't know what JD was supposed to do.  It sounds like he was lied to.  HR's agent wants him to get paid more guaranteed, sooner.  That is now.   I don't think the Jets are doing that.  

[Biggs]

I'm going to take the contrarian view.  Missing the Jets country club OTA's to actually do offseason training is a huge plus. 

[#27TheDominator]

On 6/13/2024 at 9:37 AM, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

There has to be a reason why a guy averaging 12-13 sacks a season over the past 5 seasons and who has the 6th most sacks in the NFL in those 5 seasons has been on 4 different teams in those 5 seasons.  It's not because he's not productive, obviously.  Why didn't Arizona, Carolina, or Philadelphia sign him to a long term deal?  Maybe him lying to the Jets about his intentions to report and play are an indication as to what type of person he is.  In any event, something is up with this guy that leads teams to move on from him despite his elite production in a premier position.  

That is literally the easiest one to answer.  It's because he is a tweener in size.  He is too small to play DE.  He is basically ILB sized and those guys don't get paid.  6'1 235?  Nobody is building a D around that, but he is too productive to come really cheap.  It's kind of the same issue Huff had, but I think Reddick has already shown he can hold up better against the run.

[#27TheDominator]

2 hours ago, ARodJetsFan said:

Disagree on all fronts.

Pretty sure that he specifically said that the Eagles lied when they said that he requested a trade.  He was saying he wanted to get a deal done and stay home in Philly.  JD being buddy buddy with the Philly front office probably doesn't help on that account.

[#27TheDominator]

On 6/10/2024 at 12:22 PM, THE BARON said:

does anyone actually like golf ??? i dont get it.  why ??? explain it to me ??? why do you like/love golf ??? 

What did I learn reading this thread from the beginning?  What's more boring than golf?  Talking about golf.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

What did I learn reading this thread from the beginning?  What's more boring than golf?  Talking about golf.

@JustInFudge

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Biggs said:

I'm going to take the contrarian view.  Missing the Jets country club OTA's to actually do offseason training is a huge plus. 

I bet that Japanese cosplay is really gruelling.

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

@JustInFudge

Dom was already on my sh*t list for defending Shane.  

[GreenFish]

5 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

What did I learn reading this thread from the beginning?  What's more boring than golf?  Talking about golf.

Some of the best naps I’ve ever taking have come while searching for something to watch on tv and settling on some golf program. Within minutes I’m knocked out.

[GangGreened]

8 hours ago, bicketybam said:

Then he can leave as a FA and get whatever he can somewhere else. He's going to get paid by someone.

Eagles were awesome last year, until they weren't. The lost 5 out of the last 6 games and then got smoked in the WC game.

It doesn’t mean he’s happy about it. You don’t think his preference would have been to stay in Philly for another year or get moved to a team that will give him a contract? 

[bicketybam]

25 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

It doesn’t mean he’s happy about it. You don’t think his preference would have been to stay in Philly for another year or get moved to a team that will give him a contract? 

Next time we talk, I'll ask him 👍

[GangGreened]

1 hour ago, bicketybam said:

Next time we talk, I'll ask him 👍

It won’t matter after we win the SB!