carlito1171 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, BreeceHallofFame said: You are supposed to have two elite backs in Hall and Allen You have a revamped talented O Line with multiple accomplished players and higher draft picks You have Aaron Rodgers at QB keeping defenses honest Yet our run game is the worst in the NFL. Can an O Line coach really have that much of a negative impact? This defies everything I think I know about football it's 100% too predictable and OL and backs routinely don't know who they're blocking 100% an indictment on the coaching staff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 57 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Big problem with the offense is that Rodgers is calling most of it at the line, which limits the variety of run plays that get called. He gets up to the line, gets a look that seems favorable to the run, then has maybe two or three run plays he can check to. The defense knows where those plays are run to within five minutes of film study. Compare that to the way a Shanahan system works, where it looks like no run set is called twice on the same drive. There’s no motion to shift people, no creativity in the blocking scheme, and it leaves Breece praying that John Simpson can root out two DL at the same time. Wow. That’s a depressing realization… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago The problem with the offense is Aaron Rodgers 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago Just now, Guilhermezmc said: The problem with the offense is Aaron Rodgers Yup. Teams are committing to the run and saying Aaron Rodgers beat us. And he hasn't been able to do it. If he starts hitting a few deep balls the offense will open up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago I know he’s a chowd but it’s a funny line 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago None of this still makes any sense that they can be this bad running the ball. They ran for 36 yards on 14 carries today. Hall has back to back games of 4 and 23 yards. I mean something is seriously wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 7 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said: None of this still makes any sense that they can be this bad running the ball. They ran for 36 yards on 14 carries today. Hall has back to back games of 4 and 23 yards. I mean something is seriously wrong here. There is a tell other teams have figured out. We are tipping them off as to when we are running. Thats the only explanation on how they are in our backfield on every run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: There is a tell other teams have figured out. We are tipping them off as to when we are running. Thats the only explanation on how they are in our backfield on every run. Still, I have seen plenty of times that teams run the ball when the other team knows what is coming and they still can't stop it. Hall has B2B games of 4 and 23 yards. This is almost impossible to be this bad. Hall and Allen are good backs and the Oline does have some talent. Hall has 197 yards through 5 games. Last year he managed 1000 yards with teams stacking the box against our QB's and a pretty bad and injured Oline. I just don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago We have fine players all across the line. This is all coaching. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: We have fine players all across the line. This is all coaching. Yep. How about play action on first and 10. How about screen passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 12 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: that 3rd down run was ridiculously stupid. instead of just running straight downhill between the tackles they have some weird trap play where the 3rd string TE ends up being the point of failure. Like, WTF are you doing? You have a 20 year old power back. Shove him down their throats there bros. My reaction to that play was "who the hell was that guy and when do we cut him?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Same Old Jets Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago We knew that we had an aging and prone injury veterans coming into the season. It was a matter of time for everything to unfold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoJet Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 12 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: We got rid of our best run blocking offensive lineman Mekhi Becton I think, at this point I'd rather have Nate Herberg at RG, AVT is not playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeceHallofFame Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: We have fine players all across the line. This is all coaching. How can the coaching be so bad that the linemen forget ingrained techniques and common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeceHallofFame Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago 33 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Yep. How about play action on first and 10. How about screen passes. How about no play action with a 40 year old QB on one leg and a line that can’t hold up. We did it twice on second and short in the second half and got sacked twice for huge drive ending loses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeceHallofFame Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago Kieth Carter was the Titans O line coach for four years they ranked 7th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, and 13th in the NFL in rushing those years Mike Vrabel who everyone wants to dump saleh for… had Kieth Carter as his O Line coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted 54 minutes ago Share Posted 54 minutes ago Like wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted 51 minutes ago Share Posted 51 minutes ago 15 hours ago, BreeceHallofFame said: You are supposed to have two elite backs in Hall and Allen You have a revamped talented O Line with multiple accomplished players and higher draft picks You have Aaron Rodgers at QB keeping defenses honest Yet our run game is the worst in the NFL. Can an O Line coach really have that much of a negative impact? This defies everything I think I know about football Defenses have zero respect for Rodgers making them pay with anything deep. Rodgers has made the running game operate in a phone booth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeceHallofFame Posted 48 minutes ago Author Share Posted 48 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, Biggs said: Defenses have zero respect for Rodgers making them pay with anything deep. Rodgers has made the running game operate in a phone booth. The stat above shows that we have faced a stacked box only 14% of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted 47 minutes ago Share Posted 47 minutes ago 15 hours ago, TBJ said: Teams know what's coming that's most of the battle right there. Yep, about as clever as blaming a fart on a dog when you don't have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted 47 minutes ago Share Posted 47 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, Biggs said: Defenses have zero respect for Rodgers making them pay with anything deep. Rodgers has made the running game operate in a phone booth. The 28th stacked box stat seems to go against this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted 43 minutes ago Share Posted 43 minutes ago 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: The 28th stacked box stat seems to go against this. It's a total illusion. Rodgers is washed and it's showing up on tape. There is no respect for him to go over the top. There moving up on the snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted 38 minutes ago Share Posted 38 minutes ago Appears what's going on is the OL as a whole isn't playing like they should. No one in here really talking about how Fashanu hasn't been good either. OL looked vastly better with Moses in there. We also switched from a ZBS to a MBS. Now we did this bc it was supposed to be a strength of our OLineman. But that hasn't been true. Not exactly sure why or what's going on. But what we're doing isn't working. Hall seems to be struggling running behind this scheme as well. Now a lot of that is bc they're getting no push and there's no holes. A RB can only do so much. We've seen Allen more useful by a small margin. But that's really only bc he is more north and south., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted 35 minutes ago Share Posted 35 minutes ago The number of incomplete passes to me yesterday were quite frustrating. Guys were 1,2, 3x covered. Guys were dropping the ball. Rodgers was missing receivers. When your passing game looks like that, you can't run either. But obviously the plan that "we don't really need offensive coaches because we have AR8" does not really work. The Jets have defensive coaching. They have some personnel issues (bad decisions, bad performance), but they are coached. The Jets have no real offensive coaching. They need to get it together, or they are all getting fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted 29 minutes ago Share Posted 29 minutes ago 1 hour ago, BreeceHallofFame said: Kieth Carter was the Titans O line coach for four years they ranked 7th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, and 13th in the NFL in rushing those years Mike Vrabel who everyone wants to dump saleh for… had Kieth Carter as his O Line coach To be fair, Vrabel (who I would hate as a hire) also fired Keith Carter. Downing too, for that matter. They ranked where they ranked because they had Derrick Henry. A better question is why they made Todd Downing, who was the post Arthur Smith OC of those teams, "passing game coordinator" when those teams ran well but could not throw the ball to save their lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted 28 minutes ago Share Posted 28 minutes ago 14 minutes ago, Biggs said: It's a total illusion. Rodgers is washed and it's showing up on tape. There is no respect for him to go over the top. There moving up on the snap. I agree with this to an extent, but I think they will start beating it when the receivers step up a bit. Same page and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted 9 minutes ago Share Posted 9 minutes ago We don't have a running scheme. We probably have less than 10 total run plays that we run and half of those are up the middle. And we almost exclusively go RUN RUN PASS which makes it even easier to defend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted 5 minutes ago Share Posted 5 minutes ago 14 hours ago, Larz said: Yep, this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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