SALEH FIRED

[Grandy]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

So, the day-after analysis is:

1. Rodgers—whose actively tried to get every coach he’s ever had fired—finally found an owner weak enough to listen to him. Saleh had been poking Rodgers all year, and particularly this week (cadence thing, saying Rodgers had been “up and down”), and Rodgers pulled his support. 
 

2. Woody is boxed in because Saleh had consciously avoided hiring anyone capable of succeeding him. Ulbrich became the only guy credible enough to become the interim because Saleh’s defense is the only thing that works on the team. 
 

3. Saleh, by getting fired now, comes out smelling like a rose. The defense has been good; Jets management, vis a vis Woody, looks wholly dysfunctional; Douglas is emasculated because he let his coach get whacked and he’d already been walking the tightrope. If the season goes South, nobody will remember that Saleh sucked, and he got out right before the coming (probable) implosion. 
 

4. All the pressure in the world falls on Ulbrich, who’s had designs to become a head coach and who also tried to leave to become the Niners DC. Now he inherits a banged up and empowered Rodgers, a disillusioned set of young players who are all underachieving and are showing signs of checking out. Can Ulbrich pull it back together, or does Rodgers make that impossible? 
 

 

I also think it's foolish to pin so much blame on Saleh because the biggest problem with our team during his tenure was the QB.

We don't know how much the passing of Greg Knapp changed things, but regardless the reporting has been that he was never on board with Zach and he was forced on him. Saleh then gets scapegoated for a bad team that can be linked to mismanaging of the offense and QB which is more tied to Woody and JD.

The fact that we fired him and none of the offensive staff is comical. He built an incredible defense, and it was not his responsibility to handle the QB. Our entire power structure is such a mess.

[PS17]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

So, the day-after analysis is:

1. Rodgers—whose actively tried to get every coach he’s ever had fired—finally found an owner weak enough to listen to him. Saleh had been poking Rodgers all year, and particularly this week (cadence thing, saying Rodgers had been “up and down”), and Rodgers pulled his support. 
 

2. Woody is boxed in because Saleh had consciously avoided hiring anyone capable of succeeding him. Ulbrich became the only guy credible enough to become the interim because Saleh’s defense is the only thing that works on the team. 
 

3. Saleh, by getting fired now, comes out smelling like a rose. The defense has been good; Jets management, vis a vis Woody, looks wholly dysfunctional; Douglas is emasculated because he let his coach get whacked and he’d already been walking the tightrope. If the season goes South, nobody will remember that Saleh sucked, and he got out right before the coming (probable) implosion. 
 

4. All the pressure in the world falls on Ulbrich, who’s had designs to become a head coach and who also tried to leave to become the Niners DC. Now he inherits a banged up and empowered Rodgers, a disillusioned set of young players who are all underachieving and are showing signs of checking out. Can Ulbrich pull it back together, or does Rodgers make that impossible? 
 

 

Saleh finished with a worse record than Adam Gase and a locker room full of players that think he’s a joke. Saleh will land on his feet as a DC in all likelihood next year - probably in SF - but hard disagree on him coming out of this looking good. That said the national media is running with the loljets thing so who knows. 

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, Grandy said:

The fact that we fired him and none of the offensive staff is comical. He built an incredible defense, and it was not his responsibility to handle the QB. Our entire power structure is such a mess.

This is the part that burns my balls. They knowingly put together a garbage staff on offense full of rejects and failures. Was Hackett Saleh’s call? Todd Downing? I do think Keith Carter was Saleh’s guy from his Seattle days. But, now it’s the offense that is, and remains, garbage but those guys get a pass? Makes no sense whatsoever. Why was none of this addressed in the offseason? Everyone knew Hackett was useless. 

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, PS17 said:

a locker room full of players that think he’s a joke.

Who thinks he’s a joke? Becton? 

[T0mShane]

9 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Was just using Smith as an example with Salehs approach. Salehs first year, he barely had Wilson play in the preseason and sat him against Philly entirely because it was raining. This was Zach’s rookie year- what are we doing?

Salehs whole deal never made any sense- like he was trying to reinvent football into some casual walk in the park where nothing really mattered. The things that would come out of his mouth were some of the most mind boggling things you’d ever hear a coach say. Like he was coaching little kids. Rogers has his own issues and obviously is a total egomaniac but Saleh was not an NFL head coach. 

Agreed about Saleh’s nonchalance and management philosophy. Dude acted like he learned everything about leadership by watching a bunch of TED talks. I do not like the process here by which he was let go, however, and it feels like a clumsy Hail Mary that’ll only result in exposing how bad the rest of the staff is. 

[BreeceHallofFame]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is the part that burns my balls. They knowingly put together a garbage staff on offense full of rejects and failures. Was Hackett Saleh’s call? Todd Downing? I do think Keith Carter was Saleh’s guy from his Seattle days. But, now it’s the offense that is, and remains, garbage but those guys get a pass? Makes no sense whatsoever. Why was none of this addressed in the offseason? Everyone knew Hackett was useless. 

They haven’t gotten a pass. The owner/GM fires the head coach. The new head coach fires or demotes his coordinators. Let’s give Ulbrich more than 5 minutes before assuming that no changes are coming 

[T0mShane]

10 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

Don’t know how saleh comes out of this good, fired 5 games into the season after 3 prime time losses.  

Woody was rumored to dislike saleh for a while and i think he finally had it, good for him.  I think he’s getting rid of people in the order in which he hates them.  And i think the OC is next. 

Ulbrich may not know offense but he knows what they’re doing isn’t working.  I would imagine at a minimum hackett’s play calling duties will be scaled back.

rodgers has to know that at a certain point, regardless of his stature, if he keeps throwing multiple ints this will be his last season.

Saleh is getting off the train before the train rolls off a cliff.

[The Crusher]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Saleh is getting off the train before the train rolls off a cliff.

Is the a cliff off a mountain in Utah? Because this entire mess started there, so might as well end there I guess. 

[slimjasi]

31 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is the part that burns my balls. They knowingly put together a garbage staff on offense full of rejects and failures. Was Hackett Saleh’s call? Todd Downing? I do think Keith Carter was Saleh’s guy from his Seattle days. But, now it’s the offense that is, and remains, garbage but those guys get a pass? Makes no sense whatsoever. Why was none of this addressed in the offseason? Everyone knew Hackett was useless. 

the head coach put together the staff, you know, because he was the head coach. Blaming "they" for Todd Downing. LOL. GTFO

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

the head coach put together the staff, you know, because he was the head coach. Blaming "they" for Todd Downing. LOL. GTFO

Yes because that’s how that works with the New York Jets. Just like Saleh fired Mike LaFleur and hired Nate Hackett because he really wanted to. 

[slimjasi]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Yes because that’s how that works with the New York Jets. Just like Saleh fired Mike LaFleur and hired Nate Hackett because he really wanted to. 

He absolutely wanted to hire Nate Hackett because he absolutely wanted Aaron Rodgers. He raved about Nate Hackett. 

Are we pretending that Saleh didn't want Aaron Rodgers now? 🤣

[Joe W. Namath]

Although it was still schoking, we all knew this was coming.  I said the minute we acquired Rodgers it would cost Douglas and Saleh their jobs.

There is always a scapegoat when these type of players fail.

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

He absolutely wanted to hire Nate Hackett because he absolutely wanted Aaron Rodgers. He raved about Nate Hackett. 

Are we pretending that Saleh didn't want Aaron Rodgers now? 🤣

I know you don’t believe this

[doitny]

7 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

He absolutely wanted to hire Nate Hackett because he absolutely wanted Aaron Rodgers. He raved about Nate Hackett. 

Are we pretending that Saleh didn't want Aaron Rodgers now? 🤣

you really think he wanted Rodgers? why would anyone want to bring in someone who would instantly have more power than him. and 2nd, they only needed to make the playoffs last year, but when Rodgers got here it was SB or bust. why would they want that kind of pressure? 

you just witness Woody going over his GM to fire Saleh you dont think he went over their heads to force them to get Hackett and Rodgers? god only knows how many times Woody meddle in the roster of this team.

 

 

[slimjasi]

Just now, T0mShane said:

I know you don’t believe this

Since we are speaking about things we know, I know you don't believe Saleh was anything close to a decent head coach and are simply trolling the board. 

If you really don't believe that Saleh wanted Aaron Rodgers, then you might need emergency brain surgery. 

FYI, Saleh has been quoted multiple times describing Hackett as an "elite" teacher.  Fun fact: When we played the Broncos in 2022, well before Rodgers was as blip on the Jets radar, Saleh raved about Nate Hackett. Go watch the press conferences from the lead up to that game.

You are lost. About as lost as Saleh generally was on offensive side of the ball. 

 

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, doitny said:

you really think he wanted Rodgers?

 

 

Because he wanted to win and was tired of looking at Zach Wilson. 

[slimjasi]

Saleh didn't want Rodgers now. LMAO

 

I guess he flew out to California to recruit him in handcuffs. 

 

funny stuff 

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Since we are speaking about things we know, I know you don't believe Saleh was anything close to a decent head coach and are simply trolling the board. 

If you really don't believe that Saleh wanted Aaron Rodgers, then you might need emergency brain surgery. 

FYI, Saleh has been quoted multiple times describing Hackett as an "elite" teacher.  Fun fact: When we played the Broncos in 2022, well before Rodgers was as blip on the Jets radar, Saleh raved about Nate Hackett. Go watch the press conferences from the lead up to that game.

You are lost. About as lost as Saleh generally was on offensive side of the ball. 

 

Don‘t dissemble. Do you believe that Robert Saleh unilaterally hires and fires the coaches on his staff?

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Don‘t dissemble. Do you believe that Robert Saleh unilaterally hires and fires the coaches on his staff?

Probably not. But do you think Woody and his advisors implemented this skip preseason and training camp regimen?

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

dissemble

yass

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Probably not. But do you think Woody and his advisors implemented this skip preseason and training camp regimen?

He does that new-agey Shanahan bullsh*t where he tried to play the long game. It was gross and hard to watch. I hated the stairs shtick and the stupid Pinterest motivational hackery. All that said, the lack of practices and hard coaching still produced top five defenses while he was here. 

 

[slimjasi]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Don‘t dissemble. Do you believe that Robert Saleh unilaterally hires and fires the coaches on his staff?

Well, I think Hackett was hired to lure Aaron Rodgers here. We can call that an "organizational decision" if you wish (although the idea that Saleh wasn't on board with getting Rodgers is completely unfounded and somewhat preposterous on its face)

But I have no reason to believe Saleh didn't hire every other coach on his staff (and for the record, I think he hired Hackett, who he was raving about in 2022, too). 

It's interesting that you concede that Saleh hired Keith Carter (arguably one of the worst assistant coaches in the entire league), but are pretending that the other bad offensive coaches were forced on him by nefarious forces. 

[slimjasi]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

He does that new-agey Shanahan bullsh*t where he tried to play the long game. It was gross and hard to watch. I hated the stairs shtick and the stupid Pinterest motivational hackery. All that said, the lack of practices and hard coaching still produced top five defenses while he was here. 

 

Cool. What record did it produce? 

I like how the new metric for judging Saleh is defensive rankings, as opposed to, W/L record, playoff berths, and winning seasons. Reminds me of Rex when he would pound his chest about his #1 defense after they gave up a game winning drive to David Garrard. 

[Jack Straw]

Saleh on the sidelines looked like an executive at Enron during its final days—full of shame, regret, and the realization that his laziness (yes, I’m calling him lazy) and hands off management style cost him everything.

He hired Nathaniel Hackett to lure Rodgers, and that decision blew up in his face. Hackett’s play-calling was as uncreative as it gets, and the team struggled to handle the basics—like snapping the ball on time. Fifteen penalties against the Broncos? That’s not coaching; that’s a meltdown. Saleh essentially handed the keys to a 40-year-old quarterback and sat back, watching the disaster unfold as a spectator.

Even on Hard Knocks, his team meetings were lifeless, read straight off a teleprompter. It was painfully clear that he was in way over his head. Saleh spent more time on the golf course, remodeling his homes, hitting the gym, and with his seven kids than actually leading his team. He never looked tired because he never worked hard enough to be tired. Does anyone think he was working hours beyond 9-5?

The truth is, Saleh never wanted the full responsibility of a head coach. He hired the first guy who checked a box and let others run the show while he coasted. He didn’t know how to manage his staff, didn’t know how to manage his team, and now he’s paid the price.

This wasn’t just a bad 3+ years — it was a leadership failure of Enron proportions (led by Woody and compounded by Saleh). Now the Jets are left with the mess while Saleh enjoys more time on the golf course.

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Well, I think Hackett was hired to lure Aaron Rodgers here. We can call that an "organizational decision" if you wish (although the idea that Saleh wasn't on board with getting Rodgers is completely unfounded and somewhat preposterous on its face)

But I have no reason to believe Saleh didn't hire every other coach on his staff (and for the record, I think he hired Hackett, who he was raving about in 2022, too). 

It's interesting that you concede that Saleh hired Keith Carter (arguably one of the worst assistant coaches in the entire league), but are pretending that the other bad offensive coaches were forced on him by nefarious forces. 

Saleh raves about every coach. Hackett was an unqualified disaster who had just been launched headlong out of Denver when the Jets raced to hire him. Saleh is a very good defensive coordinator who surely knew how bad Hackett’s offense was. Is it your belief that Saleh 1. Fired Mike LaFleur in deference to Zach Wilson’s feelings and 2. Ran to hire Hackett because that‘s what Saleh wanted to do? 

[Matt39]

11 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Saleh on the sidelines looked like an executive at Enron during its final days—full of shame, regret, and the realization that his laziness (yes, I’m calling him lazy) and hands off management style cost him everything.

He hired Nathaniel Hackett to lure Rodgers, and that decision blew up in his face. Hackett’s play-calling was as uncreative as it gets, and the team struggled to handle the basics—like snapping the ball on time. Fifteen penalties against the Broncos? That’s not coaching; that’s a meltdown. Saleh essentially handed the keys to a 40-year-old quarterback and sat back, watching the disaster unfold as a spectator.

Even on Hard Knocks, his team meetings were lifeless, read straight off a teleprompter. It was painfully clear that he was in way over his head. Saleh spent more time on the golf course, remodeling his homes, hitting the gym, and with his seven kids than actually leading his team. He never looked tired because he never worked hard enough to be tired. Does anyone think he was working hours beyond 9-5?

The truth is, Saleh never wanted the full responsibility of a head coach. He hired the first guy who checked a box and let others run the show while he coasted. He didn’t know how to manage his staff, didn’t know how to manage his team, and now he’s paid the price.

This wasn’t just a bad 3+ years — it was a leadership failure of Enron proportions (led by Woody and compounded by Saleh). Now the Jets are left with the mess while Saleh enjoys more time on the golf course.

This is exactly what it felt and looked like. It wouldn’t shock me if he had a guy to do the job for him in previous spots too. Looking the part goes a long way (also factored into Woody dumping Darnold for Zach). Would love to find out the details of the Lions interview. 
 

the Jets also desperately wanted off of hard knocks because everyone knew the coach had no clothes. Same with the GM (who I don’t think ever appeared once). 

[Cyberjet]

Take it for what it’s worth: Woody Johnson sat down with the coaching staff after the Denver loss and told them that the London game (Vikings) was a must win. Johnson reportedly embarrassed by the start of the team in London.

As far as I know Aaron Rodgers was not in that meeting nor are there any reports that he instructed Woody Johnson to call that meeting 

[Joey Gilbert]

5 hours ago, Grandy said:

I also think it's foolish to pin so much blame on Saleh because the biggest problem with our team during his tenure was the QB.

We don't know how much the passing of Greg Knapp changed things, but regardless the reporting has been that he was never on board with Zach and he was forced on him. Saleh then gets scapegoated for a bad team that can be linked to mismanaging of the offense and QB which is more tied to Woody and JD.

The fact that we fired him and none of the offensive staff is comical. He built an incredible defense, and it was not his responsibility to handle the QB. Our entire power structure is such a mess.

Stopped reading at “incredible defense “

[Matt39]

Who says this

[BreeceHallofFame]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Saleh raves about every coach. Hackett was an unqualified disaster who had just been launched headlong out of Denver when the Jets raced to hire him. Saleh is a very good defensive coordinator who surely knew how bad Hackett’s offense was. Is it your belief that Saleh 1. Fired Mike LaFleur in deference to Zach Wilson’s feelings and 2. Ran to hire Hackett because that‘s what Saleh wanted to do? 

Hackett was also the OC of the Jags making Bortles look serviceable and almost going to a SB. He also elevated Rodgers to MVP levels after down years as OC. His track record was good as an OC before the Denver disaster 

[slimjasi]

26 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Saleh raves about every coach. Hackett was an unqualified disaster who had just been launched headlong out of Denver when the Jets raced to hire him. Saleh is a very good defensive coordinator who surely knew how bad Hackett’s offense was. Is it your belief that Saleh 1. Fired Mike LaFleur in deference to Zach Wilson’s feelings and 2. Ran to hire Hackett because that‘s what Saleh wanted to do? 

Saleh very clearly wanted Aaron Rodgers and Hackett was a means to that end. As I have already stated, I believe he was fully on board with the push for Rodgers and I have not seen a shred of evidence to suggest otherwise. I'd be curious to hear/see any such evidence you may have. 

This retrospective gaslighting you are engaging in by pretending Saleh was somehow not a dreadful head coach is. . . interesting. 

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, BreeceHallofFame said:

Hackett was also the OC of the Jags making Bortles look serviceable and almost going to a SB. He also elevated Rodgers to MVP levels after down years as OC. His track record was good as an OC before the Denver disaster 

Matt LaFleur was the OC for Rodgers’ MVP seasons. Hackett was the buffer between LaFleur and Rodgers and handled red zone packages. Matt LaFleur is a top three coach in the league right now. 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Saleh very clearly wanted Aaron Rodgers and Hackett was a means to that end. As I have already stated, I believe he was fully on board with the push for Rodgers and I have not seen a shred of evidence to suggest otherwise. I'd be curious to hear/see any such evidence you may have. 

This retrospective gaslighting you are engaging in by pretending Saleh was somehow not a dreadful head coach is. . . interesting. 

Where have I ever said that Saleh didn’t want Rodgers? 

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Matt LaFleur was the OC for Rodgers’ MVP seasons. Hackett was the buffer between LaFleur and Rodgers and handled red zone packages. Matt LaFleur is a top three coach in the league right now. 

Top 3 ? No way. 

[BreeceHallofFame]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Matt LaFleur was the OC for Rodgers’ MVP seasons. Hackett was the buffer between LaFleur and Rodgers and handled red zone packages. Matt LaFleur is a top three coach in the league right now. 

Hackett was hired by Lefleur on merit and while he didn’t call all the plays he contributed a key role to mvp season. This is after his success in Jacksonville. He had a good track record as OC.