CoachTsurfing Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Knowing several NFL teams are collectively drooling over the talents of receiver Calvin Johnson, the Detroit Lions have let it be known their No. 2 overall draft pick is up for trade. I read this from the denverpost.com It appears the Broncs turned down some offers for the Lions 1st round pick. What would you give in terms of picks and players and if we did get it who would you select. I personally am not sure how much I would surrender, but if I had the pick I would go either Jamarcus or Calvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Knowing several NFL teams are collectively drooling over the talents of receiver Calvin Johnson, the Detroit Lions have let it be known their No. 2 overall draft pick is up for trade. I read this from the denverpost.com It appears the Broncs turned down some offers for the Lions 1st round pick. What would you give in terms of picks and players and if we did get it who would you select. I personally am not sure how much I would surrender, but if I had the pick I would go either Jamarcus or Calvin. If I could get the #2 for BoomBoom, Madmike and ecurb, I would do it and try not to get arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 That is a very hard question you got there. Honestly, I do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Broncos | Team reportedly tried to acquire No. 2 pick in draft Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:08:21 -0700 Mike Klis, of the Denver Post, reports the Detroit Lions have held preliminary discussions with the Denver Broncos regarding the No. 2 overall pick in the NFL Draft in the last month, league sources have confirmed. According to sources, the Lions asked for multiple draft picks that included the Broncos' No. 21 selection. The Broncos considered the asking price too high and trade discussions have stopped. The team, however, has been trying to deal their No. 21 overall pick. No thanks. F-Matt millen. Let him blow this pick too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 i would give up BZ's left nut!! where the hell is he anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 millen is probably going to ask for vilma and the 25th and a second round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 There is no way in the world that the Jets would trade up to #2 to take Calvin Johnson. He would be a waste with Chad as QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 There is no way in the world that the Jets would trade up to #2 to take Calvin Johnson. He would be a waste with Chad as QB. ................ we will have kellen come in for throwing downs:rl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobA Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Nothing. There is no one needed on this team that is worth trading up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 If the Jets trade up, they trade up not to get Calvin Johnson, but for Jamaal Anderson (DE Arkasas 6'6" 287) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 If the Jets trade up, they trade up not to get Calvin Johnson, but for Jamaal Anderson (DE Arkasas 6'6" 287) Yup. Or Gaines Adams. Anyway, its not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Wow, I thought more of you would say yes, of course I wouldn't want to mortgage the farm. I like the idea of getting a top 5 talent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Knowing several NFL teams are collectively drooling over the talents of receiver Calvin Johnson, the Detroit Lions have let it be known their No. 2 overall draft pick is up for trade. I have the Lions in the JN mock, and I have no doubt I would trade it if the rules allowed. But since I cant do that, i am working on the pick as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 i would be willing to give chad penny and a bag of dignity to detroit for that pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 i would be willing to give chad penny and a bag of dignity to detroit for that pickAnd start Clemens? Russell won't be there at 2 and Quinn is going to be a bust. Trading Chad for the no 2 pick is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 And start Clemens? Russell won't be there at 2 and Quinn is going to be a bust. Trading Chad for the no 2 pick is a bad idea. how can you determine brady will be a bust, thats a really bold statement to make. did u give him a physical to see if he's missing a left nut. my post was as a joke but now i wanna do it if it will make u have a heart attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 how can you determine brady will be a bust, thats a really bold statement to make. did u give him a physical to see if he's missing a left nut. my post was as a joke but now i wanna do it if it will make u have a heart attack I'm not the only one who thinks Quinn is VERY overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 I'm not the only one who thinks Quinn is VERY overrated. I second that motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 #1: We don't have the ammunition to get up to #2 anymore. Chart-wise, it would take all of this year's picks and all of next year's picks and we'd still be short. Presumably we're talking about a player with a LOT of value like Vilma or Rhodes + our first + a 2nd. That doesn't add up to the #2 pick (2600 pts) unless with #25 (720) and #59 (310), Detroit values Vilma or Rhodes at 1570 pts (~pick #6 overall). Fat chance. #2: I wouldn't trade up to #2 unless we were going to trade down again. The #2 pick is going to get a $60M contract with $25M+ guaranteed and/or up front. There's no one at #2 that we so badly need that shouldn't be available a few picks later. Players like Anderson and Adams are not expected to be top-2 picks. Not with two QB's who (many think) are franchise QB's, the best WR prospect anyone can remember, and a franchise HB. One of Anderson/Adams is as likely as not to be there at #10. Ngata could have easily gone to us at #4 last year & was expected to go to Buffalo at #8 at the very latest. Baltimore snagged him at #12. Even if it were doable to trade to #2 (which it isn't unless Detroit is willing to take much less for the pick), I'd drop down & pick up a motherload of picks rather than keep it. #2 to #4 on paper should reap #36 and #68. Then again from #4 should reap #10, #42, and #170. So would I give up Vilma or even Rhodes to: move up from #25 to #10 AND move up from #59 to #36 AND get #42 AND get #68 AND get #170? Without batting an eye. There's not a player on our whole roster worth all that. (If we already had all that, would you make this trade in reverse to acquire Jonathan Vilma for the 3-4 or Kerry Rhodes? Yeah, sure you would. Then every Jets fan in the country would hunt you down). Could it happen? Only on a messageboard. The problem is that trading down is easier said than done usually. We weren't able to trade down last year with a #4 pick that required a LOT less compensation than trading down from #2 would. Look at what a tough time Detroit's having. Point is, if Detroit is willing to take so much less from us to move up to #2, why would someone else give us a blockbuster that they wouldn't give to Detroit? They wouldn't. It can make for interesting discussion, but just accept that we pick at #25 and will likely stay there. Even if we did move up, we're probably not going to until after the draft is underway. And given Tannenbaum's desire to build a whole team through the draft and not just snag a single high-profile prospect (which at $60M is not cheaper in the draft than in FA and would also cost two high picks plus an established player), if we DID move up it wouldn't be more than a couple of slots at the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I'm not the only one who thinks Quinn is VERY overrated. first overrated does not mean bust and second no wonder your not an nfl GM I second that motive. shut up terry bradway. i know thats you trolling around posing anonamously as a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsnts725 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Yup. Or Gaines Adams. Anyway, its not happening. Gaines Adams is kinda too small to be a 3-4 DE. but i agree that wont be happening. it would be nice if they traded up for carriker though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 This site is turning more like JI every day. I need to collaborate with another poster and maybe some hot chicks to secretly lure the best posters from here to my site www.Jetscountry.com or JC as we will like to call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 This site is turning more like JI every day. . BITE YOUR TONGUE !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 well, if you don't like it here, leave. Just don't take the hot chicks with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 If we trade up to #2 pick maybe we could get a real quarterback in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemens&theJets Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemens&theJets Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 This site is turning more like JI every day. I need to collaborate with another poster and maybe some hot chicks to secretly lure the best posters from here to my site www.Jetscountry.com or JC as we will like to call it. thats not even a site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpinjoe Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Our #1 and both #2s might get us to #10. To get all the way to #2, I don't think we have the ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 This site is turning more like JI every day. I need to collaborate with another poster and maybe some hot chicks to secretly lure the best posters from here to my site www.Jetscountry.com or JC as we will like to call it. Hey that link didn't work. Greenbeans must be your tech guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hey that link didn't work. Greenbeans must be your tech guy. Hey Max, I think my comment went over more heads than expected. BTW I have an opening for a Moderator position over at JC....interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 #1: We don't have the ammunition to get up to #2 anymore. Chart-wise, it would take all of this year's picks and all of next year's picks and we'd still be short. Presumably we're talking about a player with a LOT of value like Vilma or Rhodes + our first + a 2nd. That doesn't add up to the #2 pick (2600 pts) unless with #25 (720) and #59 (310), Detroit values Vilma or Rhodes at 1570 pts (~pick #6 overall). Fat chance. #2: I wouldn't trade up to #2 unless we were going to trade down again. The #2 pick is going to get a $60M contract with $25M+ guaranteed and/or up front. There's no one at #2 that we so badly need that shouldn't be available a few picks later. Players like Anderson and Adams are not expected to be top-2 picks. Not with two QB's who (many think) are franchise QB's, the best WR prospect anyone can remember, and a franchise HB. One of Anderson/Adams is as likely as not to be there at #10. Ngata could have easily gone to us at #4 last year & was expected to go to Buffalo at #8 at the very latest. Baltimore snagged him at #12. Even if it were doable to trade to #2 (which it isn't unless Detroit is willing to take much less for the pick), I'd drop down & pick up a motherload of picks rather than keep it. #2 to #4 on paper should reap #36 and #68. Then again from #4 should reap #10, #42, and #170. So would I give up Vilma or even Rhodes to: move up from #25 to #10 AND move up from #59 to #36 AND get #42 AND get #68 AND get #170? Without batting an eye. There's not a player on our whole roster worth all that. (If we already had all that, would you make this trade in reverse to acquire Jonathan Vilma for the 3-4 or Kerry Rhodes? Yeah, sure you would. Then every Jets fan in the country would hunt you down). Could it happen? Only on a messageboard. The problem is that trading down is easier said than done usually. We weren't able to trade down last year with a #4 pick that required a LOT less compensation than trading down from #2 would. Look at what a tough time Detroit's having. Point is, if Detroit is willing to take so much less from us to move up to #2, why would someone else give us a blockbuster that they wouldn't give to Detroit? They wouldn't. It can make for interesting discussion, but just accept that we pick at #25 and will likely stay there. Even if we did move up, we're probably not going to until after the draft is underway. And given Tannenbaum's desire to build a whole team through the draft and not just snag a single high-profile prospect (which at $60M is not cheaper in the draft than in FA and would also cost two high picks plus an established player), if we DID move up it wouldn't be more than a couple of slots at the most. sounds like chart value needs an update to reflect the changing market then. with so many more teams adopting the patroit model (role players suited for a system that is more important and cost-effective than a few superstars) moving down is more and more attractive, thus, high draft picks have relative less value compared to multiple lower picks than a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 sounds like chart value needs an update to reflect the changing market then. with so many more teams adopting the patroit model (role players suited for a system that is more important and cost-effective than a few superstars) moving down is more and more attractive, thus, high draft picks have relative less value compared to multiple lower picks than a few years ago. The chart is ridiculously outdated. It was created before the salary cap or free agency. The reason it's so tough to move down from a top 2-3 pick isn't just because of the "chart" compensation. The team who moves up not only has to give up an insane amount of picks to move up, but they also have to give that rookie - ROOKIE - a $60M contract with $25-$30M up front. There are 5x pro-bowlers who never sniff at contracts like that. It's a bad move for a franchise. Here's the other thing: a team with cap issues who picks REALLY high can't afford to pay that player (and the rest of their rookies) and still make more than a pimple-sized move in free-agency. It's like once you're in that situation, you're going to be there for a couple of years. Look how long it took San Fran to dig themselves out. And along the way they had to give Alex Smith & Vernon Davis $75M in addition to bust picks of their own (hey, it happens) like Rashaun Woods. Meanwhile the "big-time" FA's they would acquire were Antonio Bryant & the like, while being unable to hold onto Julian Peterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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