Maxman Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 In Episode 4 of HBO's "Hard Knocks," Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum sends Kevin O'Connell home, telling him he didn't work out as the No. 2 quarterback of the future. But turns out, the 25-year old will be part of the Jets' future. O'Connell will be re-signed to a two-year deal with the Jets, as first reported by a radio station in his college town of San Diego, a person with direct knowledge of the move said tonight. The person requested anonymity because the team had not announced the transaction. O'Connell tore his labrum during the preseason, as previously reported, so it's likely he would go straight to injured reserve for the rest of the season -- and not take up a spot on the 53-man roster. Labrum tears generally require surgery and several months of recovery. The Jets first acquired O'Connell via a trade with Detroit last September. They waived him before the fourth preseason game and kept Kellen Clemens as their No. 3 quarterback when Clemens agreed to take a pay cut. Clemens had originally signed a $1.176 million restricted free agent tender. He signed a new one-year deal with a base salary of $700,000, which Tannenbaum said on "Hard Knocks" would be fully guaranteed. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/09/qb_kevin_oconnell_to_sign_two-.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CanoRevis24 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 In Episode 4 of HBO's "Hard Knocks," Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum sends Kevin O'Connell home, telling him he didn't work out as the No. 2 quarterback of the future. But turns out, the 25-year old will be part of the Jets' future. O'Connell will be re-signed to a two-year deal with the Jets, as first reported by a radio station in his college town of San Diego, a person with direct knowledge of the move said tonight. The person requested anonymity because the team had not announced the transaction. O'Connell tore his labrum during the preseason, as previously reported, so it's likely he would go straight to injured reserve for the rest of the season -- and not take up a spot on the 53-man roster. Labrum tears generally require surgery and several months of recovery. The Jets first acquired O'Connell via a trade with Detroit last September. They waived him before the fourth preseason game and kept Kellen Clemens as their No. 3 quarterback when Clemens agreed to take a pay cut. Clemens had originally signed a $1.176 million restricted free agent tender. He signed a new one-year deal with a base salary of $700,000, which Tannenbaum said on "Hard Knocks" would be fully guaranteed. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/09/qb_kevin_oconnell_to_sign_two-.html An injured O'Connell is better than a healthy Brunell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 In Episode 4 of HBO's "Hard Knocks," Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum sends Kevin O'Connell home, telling him he didn't work out as the No. 2 quarterback of the future. But turns out, the 25-year old will be part of the Jets' future. O'Connell will be re-signed to a two-year deal with the Jets, as first reported by a radio station in his college town of San Diego, a person with direct knowledge of the move said tonight. The person requested anonymity because the team had not announced the transaction. O'Connell tore his labrum during the preseason, as previously reported, so it's likely he would go straight to injured reserve for the rest of the season -- and not take up a spot on the 53-man roster. Labrum tears generally require surgery and several months of recovery. The Jets first acquired O'Connell via a trade with Detroit last September. They waived him before the fourth preseason game and kept Kellen Clemens as their No. 3 quarterback when Clemens agreed to take a pay cut. Clemens had originally signed a $1.176 million restricted free agent tender. He signed a new one-year deal with a base salary of $700,000, which Tannenbaum said on "Hard Knocks" would be fully guaranteed. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/09/qb_kevin_oconnell_to_sign_two-.html Say again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 For why? To be our # 3 QB in 2011. He'll be on IR this year. Then, next year when Brunell retires and Clemens gets let go, he snags the # 3 spot. Then, we draft or, more likely sign, our # 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 QB Kevin O'Connell will return to Jets on two-year deal Published: Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 11:13 PM Updated: Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 11:45 PM Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger Follow Share this story Share In Episode 4 of HBO's "Hard Knocks," Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum sends Kevin O'Connell home, telling him he didn't work out as the No. 2 quarterback of the future. But turns out, the 25-year old will be part of the Jets' future. O'Connell will be re-signed to a two-year deal with the Jets, as first reported by a radio station in his college town of San Diego, a person with direct knowledge of the move said tonight. The person requested anonymity because the team had not announced the transaction. O'Connell tore his labrum during the preseason, as previously reported, so he's expected to go straight to injured reserve for the rest of the season -- and not take up a spot on the 53-man roster. Labrum tears generally require surgery and several months of recovery. The Jets first acquired O'Connell via a trade with Detroit last September. They waived him before the fourth preseason game and kept Kellen Clemens as their No. 3 quarterback when Clemens agreed to take a pay cut. Clemens had originally signed a $1.176 million restricted free agent tender. He signed a new one-year deal with a base salary of $700,000, which Tannenbaum said on "Hard Knocks" would be fully guaranteed. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 QB Kevin O'Connell will return to Jets on two-year deal Published: Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 11:13 PM Updated: Wednesday, September 08, 2010, 11:45 PM Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger Follow Share this story Share In Episode 4 of HBO's "Hard Knocks," Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum sends Kevin O'Connell home, telling him he didn't work out as the No. 2 quarterback of the future. But turns out, the 25-year old will be part of the Jets' future. O'Connell will be re-signed to a two-year deal with the Jets, as first reported by a radio station in his college town of San Diego, a person with direct knowledge of the move said tonight. The person requested anonymity because the team had not announced the transaction. O'Connell tore his labrum during the preseason, as previously reported, so he's expected to go straight to injured reserve for the rest of the season -- and not take up a spot on the 53-man roster. Labrum tears generally require surgery and several months of recovery. The Jets first acquired O'Connell via a trade with Detroit last September. They waived him before the fourth preseason game and kept Kellen Clemens as their No. 3 quarterback when Clemens agreed to take a pay cut. Clemens had originally signed a $1.176 million restricted free agent tender. He signed a new one-year deal with a base salary of $700,000, which Tannenbaum said on "Hard Knocks" would be fully guaranteed. Link Injury saved his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Damn, that Woody is cheap! As long as he doesn't take a roster spot I'm all for it. We can hope/pretend his crappy preseason had to do with the injury and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The team might have been afraid that they'd get in trouble for cutting him without diagnosing his torn labrum. This avoids the NFLPA investigating whether or not they withheld information to save face or what, no? Or is this a slapdick post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The team might have been afraid that they'd get in trouble for cutting him without diagnosing his torn labrum. This avoids the NFLPA investigating whether or not they withheld information to save face or what, no? Or is this a slapdick post? I don't think so. I used to think they couldn't cut injured guys, but guys get listed as cut/injured all the time. A whole bunch usually get cut at the end of camp. I think they genuinely like O'Connell or they wouldn't have traded for him. They might have honestly thought he could take the #3 job, but his injury/ineffectiveness and Ainge's habit forced their hand into keeping Clemens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The team might have been afraid that they'd get in trouble for cutting him without diagnosing his torn labrum. This avoids the NFLPA investigating whether or not they withheld information to save face or what, no? And the "trouble" would be simply to pay him. Worst case situation for the Jets is to drag it out and O'Connell wins or settles next year when there is a cap. And thus the money paid effects the 2011 cap space. Best move is to clean up any and all possible injury settlements this uncapped year, instead of letting them linger into a capped year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 And the "trouble" would be simply to pay him. Worst case situation for the Jets is to drag it out and O'Connell wins or settles next year when there is a cap. And thus the money paid effects the 2011 cap space. Best move is to clean up any and all possible injury settlements this uncapped year, instead of letting them linger into a capped year. Hey, technically the best move was to do nothing. It was diagnosed after they cut him. Jets are the good guys here, paying a guy who may never play again. Pats won't pay Brady or Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Revis threads are full of CBA experts, whats going on with this thread? I want to know if union rules meant they had to keep O'Connel for one more year. In O'cies defense 6'5'' guys who run 4.5 forties don't grow on trees and his poor play in preseason does seem to be due to this injury. I don't know how a QB could throw well with an arm that bad. At least we know he's not a complainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Hey, technically the best move was to do nothing. It was diagnosed after they cut him. Possibly. There is a decent chance the Jets would prevail and wind up owing him nothing. There is also a very decent chance he would prevail. The tear occurred during pre-season. And O'Connell learned about it within a day or two of being cut. Did the Jets doctors engage in gross negligence in not discovering it when they should have or did they discover it and then not tell the player? Those are questions the Jets would have to answer in hearing. The Jets were very SMART in taking care of it quickly and quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The Jets were very SMART in taking care of it quickly and quietly. I tend to agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I guess they really still like him. No reason they couldn't've come to an injury settlement this year. Pretty sure Ainge is still considered to be on the team, too. I still think they need at least another two QB's next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I wonder if Tannenbaum got nervous about Belichick signing him to get info about the Jets. That old gig. Sign him, stash him away, essentially buying his silence for a year and hoping to get a #3 QB in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 KC will be a goner next year as will Brunell. They must have liked something they saw in Kevin O'Connell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Carnies. Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I guess they really still like him. No reason they couldn't've come to an injury settlement this year. Pretty sure Ainge is still considered to be on the team, too. I still think they need at least another two QB's next year. This over an injury settlement has several advantages. Prevents him from showing up in the Ravens, Patriots or any other teams debriefing room discussing the Jets playbook. They may like him enough to give him at least one more training camp look. And sidesteps the whole issue of why the Jets didn't diagnosis this during the preseason and IR him then like they should have. This last one is relevant BOTH from a team standpoint and a league standpoint heading into negotiations over the CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 This over an injury settlement has several advantages. Prevents him from showing up in the Ravens, Patriots or any other teams debriefing room discussing the Jets playbook. They may like him enough to give him at least one more training camp look. And sidesteps the whole issue of why the Jets didn't diagnosis this during the preseason and IR him then like they should have. This last one is relevant BOTH from a team standpoint and a league standpoint heading into negotiations over the CBA. Ravens know the Jets playbook because it used to be theirs. I'm sure Adalius gave them info on the old Ravens defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Ravens know the Jets playbook because it used to be theirs. I'm sure Adalius gave them info on the old Ravens defense. Defensive playbook, yes. Kevin would be more familiar with the offensive play book and any tweeks made to it in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Defensive playbook, yes. Kevin would be more familiar with the offensive play book and any tweeks made to it in the off-season. Like the Ravens would need our offensive playbook to stop us. "Run right, run left, empty backfield 5-WR set, rinse and repeat". That's our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Possibly. There is a decent chance the Jets would prevail and wind up owing him nothing. There is also a very decent chance he would prevail. The tear occurred during pre-season. And O'Connell learned about it within a day or two of being cut. Did the Jets doctors engage in gross negligence in not discovering it when they should have or did they discover it and then not tell the player? Those are questions the Jets would have to answer in hearing. The Jets were very SMART in taking care of it quickly and quietly. That's the only option, huh? Couldn't be that O'Connell would never be able to prove definitively that he got hurt in a Jets uniform rather than working out or whatever, and the Jets were just going to do the right thing anyway? Under this owner they've acted similarly before. They get to be the good guys and O'Connell, if he ever comes back and is decent, owes them big. If not, as Revistologists are fond of pointing out, that 2 year extension might as well be a 22 year extension. If he sucks after his shoulder heals he'll still get cut prior to Sept 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 That's the only option, huh? Couldn't be that O'Connell would never be able to prove definitively that he got hurt in a Jets uniform rather than working out or whatever, and the Jets were just going to do the right thing anyway? Under this owner they've acted similarly before. They get to be the good guys and O'Connell, if he ever comes back and is decent, owes them big. If not, as Revistologists are fond of pointing out, that 2 year extension might as well be a 22 year extension. If he sucks after his shoulder heals he'll still get cut prior to Sept 2011. Complains about shoulder hurting. Jets doctors claim nothing is wrong. Gets cut. Next day goes to an independent doctor who finds an injury. Testifies he did nothing to get injured in the interim. Pretty cut and dry case that he was injured before he got cut. Jets are not being charged with a crime, the burden is not "beyond a reasonable doubt". O'Connell would only have to prove that it is "more likely than not" that he was injured before getting cut. Jets should have IRed him in the first place. They were smart to fix their mistake without him filing a grievance that he would have probably won. You're right about it not mattering if it is two years or 22. But it would be extremely fishy to sign a guy to a one year deal just to stick him on IR. This way if the media asks they can claim it is because they are interested in what he can do next year instead of admitting it was a mistake to cut him in the first place. Woodey is running a business. He ain't running a charity and this signing wasn't done to be nice to Kevin. Jets made a mistake. A few days later they fixed the mistake. Doesn't make them saints. But doesn't make them villains, either. Just makes them humans that messed up and then fixed the mess up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxJet Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Jets | Will re-sign Kevin O'Connell, place him on IR Comment (0) Tweet! Share on Facebook Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:34:43 -0400 The New York Jets will re-sign free-agent QB Kevin O'Connell (shoulder) and will place him on Injured Reserve, reports Jenny Vrentas, of The Star-Ledger. O'Connell suffered a torn labrum during the preseason. Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0z3PZDqt0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 good, he can compete for a job after stetson man retires with back to back rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Complains about shoulder hurting. Jets doctors claim nothing is wrong. Gets cut. Next day goes to an independent doctor who finds an injury. Testifies he did nothing to get injured in the interim. Pretty cut and dry case that he was injured before he got cut. Jets are not being charged with a crime, the burden is not "beyond a reasonable doubt". O'Connell would only have to prove that it is "more likely than not" that he was injured before getting cut. Jets should have IRed him in the first place. They were smart to fix their mistake without him filing a grievance that he would have probably won. You're right about it not mattering if it is two years or 22. But it would be extremely fishy to sign a guy to a one year deal just to stick him on IR. This way if the media asks they can claim it is because they are interested in what he can do next year instead of admitting it was a mistake to cut him in the first place. Woodey is running a business. He ain't running a charity and this signing wasn't done to be nice to Kevin. Jets made a mistake. A few days later they fixed the mistake. Doesn't make them saints. But doesn't make them villains, either. Just makes them humans that messed up and then fixed the mess up. Except that Woody did do it with a player before. Gave Jamie Henderson a contract for a couple more years knowing perfectly well the guy was never going to play ever again. I'm not saying this is charity. Just that your list of options leaves out any that the Jets are just being the good guys here. Not surprised given the dishonorable team you root for. That's ok though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 The Jets have always seemed to act as if O'Connell finally falling into their laps was a stroke of luck. My guess is that when they found out about his injury, they attributed his bad preseason to it and reverted to their original plan, which was to make O'Connell a long term project resulting in a quality backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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