TheSage Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Didn't look it up hasn't he averages something like 4.5 yard a carry over his first two years and something close to 5 yds a carry in the playoffs? Yet he is attacked for a poor showing when there wasn't a hole for him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I got it: Matt Leinart, brah. Perfect. JiF should make this his new sig/avatar: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Crusher must be doing double duty in the mod lounge to keep Max from banning you. Actually I officially retired so JiF is on his own/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 It's not just the one game. He looked great as a #2, but has not shown any indication that he can be a feature back. I wish it were otherwise, because I drank the Kool-Aid a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I've had similar thoughts as the OP...he's explosive at time but still a little too one dimensional...reminds me of a bowling ball type runner...obviously the type of runner we need in short yardage but not yet the workhorse back Rex is advertising...the OL was weak last night and we emphasized the pass from the get go...definitely starting to feel he's part of the stable versus the lead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 How about we run just one sweep? Every run last night was inside the tackles. How about we get our big back outside with a pulling guard and Conner in front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Hard to knock Greene because of last nights game. There clearly wasnt an emphasis to get the run game going at all. It was by far the most lopsided pass vs. run in the Rex Sanchez era. Hard to get it going when they are daring you to pass and gearing up to stop the run. Greene seems to be the kind of runner that needs to get carries to get going. I'm not worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barcs Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Gotta give some of the credit to the Cowboys line. They played a great game, and don't forget Greene did not get a lot of plays called for him since we were more pass heavy last night. LT has to run it sometimes to keep the defense honest, and not think he's just there for the pass. Same with Greene conversely. Greene is no Peterson, Foster or C Johnson, obviously, but he'll be fine in this system. He had a few nice runs last night, but we were behind most of the game, so later in the game he didn't get many calls. I was very happy the way we utilized LT last night. When we play teams who aren't as tough up front, I guarantee Greene will run all over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I don't see this guy carrying the load at all. I think he's a quality closer. A guy you can hand it to when you're looking to grind out the game clock against a well worked opponent, but he's just not the man, IMHO. This has been my opinion of him for awhile, but it really hit home last night. LT, who didn't look good running the ball in the preseason, looked better than Greene yesterday. Thing is, I don't want LT getting used like that. I like him as the third down back, but the Jets had no choice but to keep him in there full time once the urgency built up in the second half. That kinda use of LT will result in him running out of gas again at the end of the year. That's not good. I want to see more McKnight. He showed something last year against Buffalo, he continues to show his selflessness on special teams. He deserves a bigger role on the offense, and the offense -I think- cold be better because of it. The Jets did something fascinating last night - they executed a couple beautiful screen passes! I would much prefer seeing McKnight on the receiving end of those than Greene. He's better catching the ball, and better in space. He can also split out wide and be effective there, or run the wildcat. The Jets could better disguise what they're next call will be with him in the huddle. Also disappointed that Bilal Powell couldn't contribute enough on specials to be active. He needs to step up. Having him available would be nice. Dallas was gap blitzing for 45 of the 60 minutes...you can't run on that effectively...Greene will be fine...we have a very balanced offensive attack potential...don't get caught up with numbers...our team is turning from a good football team to a great football team right in front of our eyes....hang in there...you will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 You guys watch with that blocked punt last night Joe McKnight is going to earn himself some carries this week. I think McKnight NOT Greene is the Jets future "bell cow" back. I think he can be a Chris Johnson "TYPE" runner-not as great but the same kind of back who even though he isn't a bruiser can still carry the bulk of the carries. Greene is Lamont Jordan 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Hard to knock Greene because of last nights game. There clearly wasnt an emphasis to get the run game going at all. It was by far the most lopsided pass vs. run in the Rex Sanchez era. Hard to get it going when they are daring you to pass and gearing up to stop the run. Greene seems to be the kind of runner that needs to get carries to get going. I'm not worried. I think what needs to be evaluated is what people expect out of Greene. He didn't provide much last night, but I don't think you're going to see Green be the type of guy who changes direction and gains yards by being shifty. When you're loading up to stop the run, Greene is the type of RB that relies on his offensive line to do the work in front of him and the O-Line was confused and medicore last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I think what needs to be evaluated is what people expect out of Greene. He didn't provide much last night, but I don't think you're going to see Green be the type of guy who changes direction and gains yards by being shifty. When you're loading up to stop the run, Greene is the type of RB that relies on his offensive line to do the work in front of him and the O-Line was confused and medicore last night. He's a one cut, hit the hole, lower the pads, down hill runner. Its really perfect for the type of run game we deploy. It was plainly obvious the Cowboys were coming in with one intention....shut down the run intirely and let Sanchez beat you. And it worked perfectly. They were selling out for the run with 8 in the box and sending run blitzes the entire night. And it worked damn near perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 He's a one cut, hit the hole, lower the pads, down hill runner. Its really perfect for the type of run game we deploy. It was plainly obvious the Cowboys were coming in with one intention....shut down the run intirely and let Sanchez beat you. And it worked perfectly. They were selling out for the run with 8 in the box and sending run blitzes the entire night. And it worked damn near perfectly. I personally think Sanchez had a better game than you're giving him credit for, but I do agree, that's what they were aiming to do. I heard somewhere that Mangold was ******* pissed last night due to the fact that HE couldn't figure out the protection. If you're confusing Mangold I think that says a sh*t ton about that Cowboys D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I don't see this guy carrying the load at all. I think he's a quality closer. A guy you can hand it to when you're looking to grind out the game clock against a well worked opponent, but he's just not the man, IMHO. This has been my opinion of him for awhile, but it really hit home last night. LT, who didn't look good running the ball in the preseason, looked better than Greene yesterday. Thing is, I don't want LT getting used like that. I like him as the third down back, but the Jets had no choice but to keep him in there full time once the urgency built up in the second half. That kinda use of LT will result in him running out of gas again at the end of the year. That's not good. I want to see more McKnight. He showed something last year against Buffalo, he continues to show his selflessness on special teams. He deserves a bigger role on the offense, and the offense -I think- cold be better because of it. The Jets did something fascinating last night - they executed a couple beautiful screen passes! I would much prefer seeing McKnight on the receiving end of those than Greene. He's better catching the ball, and better in space. He can also split out wide and be effective there, or run the wildcat. The Jets could better disguise what they're next call will be with him in the huddle. Also disappointed that Bilal Powell couldn't contribute enough on specials to be active. He needs to step up. Having him available would be nice. I agree somewhat with you slats but I don't think McNight is the answer. LT has clearly lost his burst and is now just a reliable pass catcher and blocker out of the backfield. Powell looks a little too small to carry the load but he seems to have that compact burst. Only one game but Greene was not impressive, and neither was the OL. Problem with the OL is I think we are now overrating Slauson a bit as a quality starting LG and Hunter might have just shot his lucky load during the tail end of last years playoff run filling in for Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I personally think Sanchez had a better game than you're giving him credit for, but I do agree, that's what they were aiming to do. I heard somewhere that Mangold was ******* pissed last night due to the fact that HE couldn't figure out the protection. If you're confusing Mangold I think that says a sh*t ton about that Cowboys D. Good point. Shows how unbelievably good the Ryans are at running a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I personally think Sanchez had a better game than you're giving him credit for, but I do agree, that's what they were aiming to do. I heard somewhere that Mangold was ******* pissed last night due to the fact that HE couldn't figure out the protection. If you're confusing Mangold I think that says a sh*t ton about that Cowboys D. Meh, the Cowboys had his number. Multiple 3 and outs, a bunch of punts, a couple turnovers. He essentially had 2 really good drives. Beyond that, they controlled him, he didnt control them. At the end of the day, you have to give credit to Rob Ryan. He had a great game plan and an under gunned team executed enough to what should have been a walk away victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I personally think Sanchez had a better game than you're giving him credit for, but I do agree, that's what they were aiming to do. I heard somewhere that Mangold was ******* pissed last night due to the fact that HE couldn't figure out the protection. If you're confusing Mangold I think that says a sh*t ton about that Cowboys D. I agree. I was pretty hard on sanchez at times last night but protection was breaking down constantly. Tbh, I think the Jets were out-coached on both sides of the ball last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Meh, the Cowboys had his number. Multiple 3 and outs, a bunch of punts, a couple turnovers. He essentially had 2 really good drives. Beyond that, they controlled him, he didnt control them. At the end of the day, you have to give credit to Rob Ryan. He had a great game plan and an under gunned team executed enough to what should have been a walk away victory. I think we are looking at the same thing through a different lens. I view Sanchez putting together those drives as a positive against a Ryan defense. You look at what both Rob and Rex do to Qb's in this league, it's pretty astonishing. The game came down to the 3rd aspect of the game, special teams. For both Greene and Sanchez I'm taking this game as a wash. Although I think there was more to be happy about with Sanchez. I'm interested to see what they do this upcoming week against Jax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I agree. I was pretty hard on sanchez at times last night but protection was breaking down constantly. Tbh, I think the Jets were out-coached on both sides of the ball last night. Especially after half-time. Cowboys came out with some different wrinkles on offense we didn't have an answer for. More screens, swing passes, and TE's over the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 he is definitely no Larry Johnson not quite sure why he needed to be compared to the dolphins 3rd string RB, but ok. Let me know hen Shonn Green has multiple 1600 yards years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I am a huge fan of Greene. Just like the legion of fans who will be after he runs for a buck fifty next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I don't see this guy carrying the load at all. I think he's a quality closer. A guy you can hand it to when you're looking to grind out the game clock against a well worked opponent, but he's just not the man, IMHO. This has been my opinion of him for awhile, but it really hit home last night. LT, who didn't look good running the ball in the preseason, looked better than Greene yesterday. Thing is, I don't want LT getting used like that. I like him as the third down back, but the Jets had no choice but to keep him in there full time once the urgency built up in the second half. That kinda use of LT will result in him running out of gas again at the end of the year. That's not good. I want to see more McKnight. He showed something last year against Buffalo, he continues to show his selflessness on special teams. He deserves a bigger role on the offense, and the offense -I think- cold be better because of it. The Jets did something fascinating last night - they executed a couple beautiful screen passes! I would much prefer seeing McKnight on the receiving end of those than Greene. He's better catching the ball, and better in space. He can also split out wide and be effective there, or run the wildcat. The Jets could better disguise what they're next call will be with him in the huddle. Also disappointed that Bilal Powell couldn't contribute enough on specials to be active. He needs to step up. Having him available would be nice. I wouldnt give up on Greene just yet. Yes he had his best games as a rookie but Dallas defense was phenomenal last night. This Demarcus Ware dude is a freaking animal who needs to be tranquilized if we play them again. He single handedly terrorized Sanchez and that entire offensive line. Greene needs to get a couple good games under his belt to build confidence. I think we will miss Damien woody ALOT. This hunter guy was getting pwned last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 keen observer of line play - slats is not one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 I'm not knocking Greene because of Sunday's game, but Sunday's game didn't do anything to alter my opinion of Greene. He's a one trick pony, and his one trick isn't so great that he should be starting on the Jets. His best role is that of a downhill bulldozer in the fourth quarter of a win. In the first three quarters, his liabilities as a pass catcher aren't overcome by his marginal abilities running the football. He already looks to be in danger of losing his job to LT (again), and that's not good for the team, either. LT could be the best third down back in football, or he could be a worn out old man getting far too many reps. I prefer option A. I say they should give McKnight more reps on offense because he's already shown something, and he's the other RB who's active. If Powell shows enough in practice, then get him out there. That's fine with me. In the end, I think Greene will run out his contract here and be done. Hopefully the Jets don't invest in another RB who can't catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 He trips over himself and he doesn't explode through the hole. The reason we couldn't get the ground game going was because every carry he had was going for 3 yards max early in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Give Greene the first quarter and if he continues to suck...get Powell some carries. (Is he even dressing for games?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Give Greene the first quarter and if he continues to suck...get Powell some carries. (Is he even dressing for games?) IMO Powell underwhelmed in the preseason and it's not likely that he will be dressing because the team will be probably carry every available O-lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Its disappointing to see Greene underwhelming... when we drafted him, in the playoffs in Rex's first year and in spot duty his first few seasons he looked at times like a young Jamal Lewis, just a bowling ball with fat little legs... had really high hopes for him, but its becoming clear none of our RBs are going to breakout behind this O-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 IMO Powell underwhelmed in the preseason and it's not likely that he will be dressing because the team will be probably carry every available O-lineman. If that's the case then Tomlinson should be starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 If that's the case then Tomlinson should be starting. I respectfully disagree. I believe that Tomlinson has been running worse than Greene despite having chances at an easier down and distance to gain ypc. I think the problem is the blocking and I believe they will fix themselves or we will continue to have a fairly easy time passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I respectfully disagree. I believe that Tomlinson has been running worse than Greene despite having chances at an easier down and distance to gain ypc. I think the problem is the blocking and I believe they will fix themselves or we will continue to have a fairly easy time passing. yep...we definitely disagree then. Tomlinson to me has the better vision, more burst, more of a threat to catch the ball. Greene reminds me of Blair Thomas honestly. Another Big 10 stiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Jax was playing 8 in the box with the other safety up for a good portion of that game. They blitzed a whopping total of 2 times. That and through two weeks our line is ranked right at the bottom of the league in run blocking. I don't even know how you evaluate a RB when your QB is this mediocre and the line plays this poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 yep...we definitely disagree then. Tomlinson to me has the better vision, more burst, more of a threat to catch the ball. Greene reminds me of Blair Thomas honestly. Another Big 10 stiff. Feel free to disagree, but Blair Thomas never ran with power. You may have a problem with Greene's vision, but at least he hits hard. Thomas was a pussy and ran too wide and not low enough. FWIW, Greene caught the ball pretty well on Sunday and Tomlinson spit up an easy one. I won't argue which is better, but McKnight seemed a cut below both. Of course McKnight also had the joy of running when everybody in the stadium knew they weren't going to throw so it wasn't really fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Feel free to disagree, but Blair Thomas never ran with power. You may have a problem with Greene's vision, but at least he hits hard. Thomas was a pussy and ran too wide and not low enough. FWIW, Greene caught the ball pretty well on Sunday and Tomlinson spit up an easy one. I won't argue which is better, but McKnight seemed a cut below both. Of course McKnight also had the joy of running when everybody in the stadium knew they weren't going to throw so it wasn't really fair. Greene hasn't been running with any power this season. He's been a tripping clumsy mess dating back to last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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