The Unprecedented Media Assault on the Jets

[JoeKlecko]

What makes you say Rex will get all the flak- if his draft picks and free agents do not show much Idzik will get roasted by fans and media- geez he is already being torched by some here already

 

It doesn't matter what we the fans think.  It only matters what Woody thinks (although I use that term lightly with regard to Woody).

[T0mShane]

That certainly is one way of looking at it. The other way is to say, the next year will be a new coaching staff, new systems, Geno will be changing systems again, and Idzig is already one bad year down. If next year is bad, the sharks will be circling idzig too, fair or not.

True, but I'll take my chances on having a pocket full of high draft choices and a new coaching staff next year.

[JoeKlecko]

That certainly is one way of looking at it. The other way is to say, the next year will be a new coaching staff, new systems, Geno will be changing systems again, and Idzig is already one bad year down. If next year is bad, the sharks will be circling idzig too, fair or not.

 

To begin with, just because Rex is fired doesn't mean that Geno will be changing systems.  Secondly, Idzik would not be down one bad year.  He walked into a no-win situation this year being told he had to keep the present HC, having no cap space and being saddled with a mediocre (or worse ) QB, with little offensive talent, a ton of holes on the team, little depth, a lot of dead wood, and perhaps the only playmaker on offense coming off of a major injury.  How can Idzik be blamed for any of that?  There was only so much he could do this year, and I'm sure that he helped Woody understand that there was going to have to be some pain while they tore things down so they could rebuild things.  The media sharks and some fans are already circling Idzik.  Shows how clueless they are.  Hopefully, Woody isn't that stupid that he reads and listens to what the media hacks or ignorant fans say.  If he isn't going to trust the search firm he used to find Idzik and trust Idzik and let him do his job, then he might as well just sell the team or put a gun to his own head and pull the trigger.

[Jacked4JetsFB]

To begin with, just because Rex is fired doesn't mean that Geno will be changing systems.  Secondly, Idzik would not be down one bad year.  He walked into a no-win situation this year being told he had to keep the present HC, having no cap space and being saddled with a mediocre (or worse ) QB, with little offensive talent, a ton of holes on the team, little depth, a lot of dead wood, and perhaps the only playmaker on offense coming off of a major injury.  How can Idzik be blamed for any of that?  There was only so much he could do this year, and I'm sure that he helped Woody understand that there was going to have to be some pain while they tore things down so they could rebuild things.  The media sharks and some fans are already circling Idzik.  Shows how clueless they are.  Hopefully, Woody isn't that stupid that he reads and listens to what the media hacks or ignorant fans say.  If he isn't going to trust the search firm he used to find Idzik and trust Idzik and let him do his job, then he might as well just sell the team or put a gun to his own head and pull the trigger.

1) If Rex gets fired, and the Jets insist the next coach retains MM, it will show the Jets never get it. They did this to Rex with Schittenheimer, they did this to Idzig with Rex. You cannot keep doing this BS, it will stop the best candidates from coming here. Not only that, if they do fire Rex, don't we absolutely positively have to hire an offensive minded HC? We have had a crap offense forever now, and mostly because we have had defensive minded coaches. The NFL has changed, we need to change with it, if we move on from Rex.

2) While I don't agree with what you are saying about Idzig, Woody cares about one thing, and one thing only, money. If Rex gets fired this year, and next year the team sucks and does not show some serious improvement, right or wrong the fans are going to go nuts on Idzig, nuts. If Woody thinks this will hurt his wallet, he will fire Idzig, its really as simple as that when it comes to Woody.

[JoeWillie]

It's completely unfair but ...

 

This is what happens when you approach your job with an arrogant and bragadocious approach. 

 

You better have alot of success because your attitude doesn't buy you alot of good will when things go wrong.

 

This is why almost every other coach or executive in professional sports does it differently than our buffoon of a head coach.

 

Rex didn't learn from his old man's experiences as a head coach and as a result, he has no one to blame but himself.

[JoeKlecko]

1) If Rex gets fired, and the Jets insist the next coach retains MM, it will show the Jets never get it. They did this to Rex with Schittenheimer, they did this to Idzig with Rex. You cannot keep doing this BS, it will stop the best candidates from coming here. Not only that, if they do fire Rex, don't we absolutely positively have to hire an offensive minded HC? We have had a crap offense forever now, and mostly because we have had defensive minded coaches. The NFL has changed, we need to change with it, if we move on from Rex.

2) While I don't agree with what you are saying about Idzig, Woody cares about one thing, and one thing only, money. If Rex gets fired this year, and next year the team sucks and does not show some serious improvement, right or wrong the fans are going to go nuts on Idzig, nuts. If Woody thinks this will hurt his wallet, he will fire Idzig, its really as simple as that when it comes to Woody.

 

1) Mornhinweg isn't the only OC in the NFL that uses the WCO.  While I agree with you that the new HC shouldn't have a OC or QB coach forced upon him, it's not impossible that he would want to retain one or both if Geno develops and plays very well this year, nor is it impossible that that HC would be a WCO disciple himself and bring in another WCO guy as the OC.

2) You know that I agree with you that Woody is stupid.  If Rex is fired and a new HC brought in, with a ton of cap space and a full compliment of draft picks (and quite possibly very good draft position), the team should show a lot of improvement next season.  The new HC and his CS would have to be horribly inept at player development, pick schemes that don't fit the personnel, and basically be incompetent.  In such case, perhaps Idzik and that new HC should be fired.  Even if not, IMO Woody would definitely have a right to be pissed and ask questions, but if the players Idzik has drafted and signed as FAs play pretty well, then his ire should go at the new HC, not Idzik.  Yes, Idzik will have been the one that hired the new HC, but Woody would have signed off on it.  And one season for a HC, particularly for a team that has blown up its roster, is in the middle of a total rebuild, and is very young isn't very much.  He gave Tranny and Rex much more than that, and Idzik is a million times more qualified than Tranny.  Unless Woody is just a total moron or the new HC gets arrested for child pornography or rape or something, there's no way he should fire anyone.  That would make zero sense.  Rookies can take some time to develop.  At a minimum, I can't see Idzik and the new HC being given anything less than 2-3 years to totally turn things around.  If it's a young, rookie HC, he might even give him longer.  He may be less patient if Idzik hired a re-tread.  Either way, I can't see things being any worse than they are now.

[Jacked4JetsFB]

1) Mornhinweg isn't the only OC in the NFL that uses the WCO.  While I agree with you that the new HC shouldn't have a OC or QB coach forced upon him, it's not impossible that he would want to retain one or both if Geno develops and plays very well this year, nor is it impossible that that HC would be a WCO disciple himself and bring in another WCO guy as the OC.

2) You know that I agree with you that Woody is stupid.  If Rex is fired and a new HC brought in, with a ton of cap space and a full compliment of draft picks (and quite possibly very good draft position), the team should show a lot of improvement next season.  The new HC and his CS would have to be horribly inept at player development, pick schemes that don't fit the personnel, and basically be incompetent.  In such case, perhaps Idzik and that new HC should be fired.  Even if not, IMO Woody would definitely have a right to be pissed and ask questions, but if the players Idzik has drafted and signed as FAs play pretty well, then his ire should go at the new HC, not Idzik.  Yes, Idzik will have been the one that hired the new HC, but Woody would have signed off on it.  And one season for a HC, particularly for a team that has blown up its roster, is in the middle of a total rebuild, and is very young isn't very much.  He gave Tranny and Rex much more than that, and Idzik is a million times more qualified than Tranny.  Unless Woody is just a total moron or the new HC gets arrested for child pornography or rape or something, there's no way he should fire anyone.  That would make zero sense.  Rookies can take some time to develop.  At a minimum, I can't see Idzik and the new HC being given anything less than 2-3 years to totally turn things around.  If it's a young, rookie HC, he might even give him longer.  He may be less patient if Idzik hired a re-tread.  Either way, I can't see things being any worse than they are now.

All fair points. 

[kay_gee]

If I were Idzik, I'd love having Rex around for the year. He gets to staple this whole ball of crap to him, then throw him out the door. If they go 0-16, it's Rex's fault. If Geno sucks, it's Rex's fault. If the stadium is empty, it's Rex's fault. Idzik gets a clean slate next year unlike any that any GM has ever gotten. It's a redshirt year.

I think I agree, except for if the talent is as abysmally bad as some are predicting. If things are perceived to be a talent problem, Idzik could have a problem, because this wasn't a very busy offseason, whatever the reasons may be.

[ylekram]

1) Mornhinweg isn't the only OC in the NFL that uses the WCO.  While I agree with you that the new HC shouldn't have a OC or QB coach forced upon him, it's not impossible that he would want to retain one or both if Geno develops and plays very well this year, nor is it impossible that that HC would be a WCO disciple himself and bring in another WCO guy as the OC.

2) You know that I agree with you that Woody is stupid.  If Rex is fired and a new HC brought in, with a ton of cap space and a full compliment of draft picks (and quite possibly very good draft position), the team should show a lot of improvement next season.  The new HC and his CS would have to be horribly inept at player development, pick schemes that don't fit the personnel, and basically be incompetent.  In such case, perhaps Idzik and that new HC should be fired.  Even if not, IMO Woody would definitely have a right to be pissed and ask questions, but if the players Idzik has drafted and signed as FAs play pretty well, then his ire should go at the new HC, not Idzik.  Yes, Idzik will have been the one that hired the new HC, but Woody would have signed off on it.  And one season for a HC, particularly for a team that has blown up its roster, is in the middle of a total rebuild, and is very young isn't very much.  He gave Tranny and Rex much more than that, and Idzik is a million times more qualified than Tranny.  Unless Woody is just a total moron or the new HC gets arrested for child pornography or rape or something, there's no way he should fire anyone.  That would make zero sense.  Rookies can take some time to develop.  At a minimum, I can't see Idzik and the new HC being given anything less than 2-3 years to totally turn things around.  If it's a young, rookie HC, he might even give him longer.  He may be less patient if Idzik hired a re-tread.  Either way, I can't see things being any worse than they are now.

if geno developes and plays well this year, I don't think rex is in danger of losing his job.period

[JohnnyHector]

It's completely unfair but ...

 

This is what happens when you approach your job with an arrogant and bragadocious approach. 

 

You better have alot of success because your attitude doesn't buy you alot of good will when things go wrong.

 

Agreed, except the unfair part.

This phenomenon isn't limited to NFL coaches. I'm a cocky know-it-all and a ball-breaker, so I am fully prepared that in the rare instance when someone's got me on something, I'm going to have to eat a gigantic sh*t sandwich. Thankfully, in my case, it's not on the back page of the Daily News or NY Post.

[JoeKlecko]

if geno developes and plays well this year, I don't think rex is in danger of losing his job.period

 

Perhaps not, but Idzik could just decide that he feels more comfortable having his own guy here or may have made up his mind that Rex was gone at the end of this season regardless of what happened.  He may already have an under the table agreement  with Darrell Bevell since he only signed a one-year contract with the Seahawks.

 

Rex has also already slipped and made one prediction and had a minor flap at a news conference.  Geno could play well, but the team struggle for other reasons.  Rex could screw up in a myriad of ways.  I don't think Rex's future with the team is very closely tied with Geno at all.

[Jetfan13]

If you win you can shut them up-temporarily that is

They still bitch about the way you win...something I think the colleges now offer a "BASH THE JETS 101" journalism course.

[JiFtheOracle]

As Rex's biggest supporter in the world, he definitely brought this on himself.  No doubt about it.

 

However, I agree with OP, I've never seen an attack this bad on an organization like the media is currently putting on the Jets.  I've never seen a sh*tty team, dominate the headlines like the Jets do...like ever, in the history of sports, I've never seen such a sh*tty franchise who's achieved nothing in the last 40 years get roasted on every single tidbit of a story that the media can latch on to.  Seriously.  Its bizarre.  The Jets, are hands down, the most covered team in all of sports.  There isnt a close second.

 

The 180 they've done on Rex is crazy. Like I said, he's brought it upon himself but whats crazy is, its not that bad.  1 losing season.  Just 1.  You'd think the Jets havent won a game in his entire tenure.  Very strange but it is what is.  Woody aint complaining.  If they win, they probably will have 90% less coverage.  Its just weird.

 

The media is turning the NFL into the WWF.  They're taking the fun out of it.  

[JohnnyHector]

Also consider that the media realizes that Jets fans, collectively, have a planet-sized persecution complex, yet they still can't help but read/watch/listen to all if these negative stories about their team. It's a tried and true formula that never fails. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

[jack48]

Perhaps not, but Idzik could just decide that he feels more comfortable having his own guy here or may have made up his mind that Rex was gone at the end of this season regardless of what happened.  He may already have an under the table agreement  with Darrell Bevell since he only signed a one-year contract with the Seahawks.

 

Rex has also already slipped and made one prediction and had a minor flap at a news conference.  Geno could play well, but the team struggle for other reasons.  Rex could screw up in a myriad of ways.  I don't think Rex's future with the team is very closely tied with Geno at all.

 

 

Perhaps not, but Idzik could just decide that he feels more comfortable having his own guy here or may have made up his mind that Rex was gone at the end of this season regardless of what happened.  He may already have an under the table agreement  with Darrell Bevell since he only signed a one-year contract with the Seahawks.

 

Rex has also already slipped and made one prediction and had a minor flap at a news conference.  Geno could play well, but the team struggle for other reasons.  Rex could screw up in a myriad of ways.  I don't think Rex's future with the team is very closely tied with Geno at all.

I believe this too.  Unless Idzik has someone he loves, REx can stay if he does a good job.  Not just wins and losses, but player development, and very important, handling these coyotes t the press conferences.  I used to get pissed at rex for not paying attention to the whole team, but what really turned me away were those mewling press conferences he had last year.  A head coach is an executive.  Rex has to improve at this.  I think Idzik is giving Rex a fair shot, but he sees no point in going forward with a negative like Sanchez.

[JiFtheOracle]

Poor Rex. Poor Jets.

 

Poor Idzik.  This guy is in over his head.

 

Your first GM gig and you take over this sh*t show?  If you honestly think for 1 second that he's safe from this, your hard-on for him might be doctor visit worthy.  You can only pin so much on Rex Ryan who, contrary to popular belief on this board, is going to be extremely difficult to replace and has twice the NFL resume than Mr. Idzik.  

 

So he fires Rex, great. Then who's the fall guy?  John Idzik.  He can only hide behind Rex for so long.  And more than likely he'll be ushering in a new HC to take over this mess?  Yikes!  

[Jetfan13]

Poor Idzik.  This guy is in over his head.

 

Your first GM gig and you take over this sh*t show?  If you honestly think for 1 second that he's safe from this, your hard-on for him might be doctor visit worthy.  You can only pin so much on Rex Ryan who, contrary to popular belief on this board, is going to be extremely difficult to replace and has twice the NFL resume than Mr. Idzik.  

 

So he fires Rex, great. Then who's the fall guy?  John Idzik.  He can only hide behind Rex for so long.  And more than likely he'll be ushering in a new HC to take over this mess?  Yikes!  

 

Agreed, what the hell has Idzik done this season that protects his sorry ass? The only thing I like that he has changed is being mum on injuries. I was very excited when he was hired, but he hasn't done jack sh*t. This team is so talent-depleted, it almost like it is planned this way purposely to get Rex fired. I would love to see his ass canned and Rex survive if the team tanks.

 

How do you sign Harrell and then cut him before he throws a pass for Brady Quinn? Name me one free agent other then maybe Ivory anyone is excited about?

[Pac]

Disagree, he and Bart brought a bully mentality here. Not worth arguing over - it's all how each individual perceives it. Really doesn't matter.

 

yeah..  you perceive it as bullying. 

 

everyone else doesn't.

[JohnnyHector]

Poor Idzik.  This guy is in over his head.

 

Your first GM gig and you take over this sh*t show?  If you honestly think for 1 second that he's safe from this, your hard-on for him might be doctor visit worthy.  You can only pin so much on Rex Ryan who, contrary to popular belief on this board, is going to be extremely difficult to replace and has twice the NFL resume than Mr. Idzik.  

 

So he fires Rex, great. Then who's the fall guy?  John Idzik.  He can only hide behind Rex for so long.  And more than likely he'll be ushering in a new HC to take over this mess?  Yikes!

I'd be curious to know who the last GM in this league was that didn't get to hire a single head coach before getting the axe...

Sure, Idzik probably gets shown the door when his hand-picked successor at HC fails to succeed after a few years, but it's very unlikely will he get canned before... though with Woody at the helm, you never know.

[JiFtheOracle]

Agreed, what the hell has Idzik done this season that protects his sorry ass? The only thing I like that he has changed is being mum on injuries. I was very excited when he was hired, but he hasn't done jack sh*t. This team is so talent-depleted, it almost like it is planned this way purposely to get Rex fired. I would love to see his ass canned and Rex survive if the team tanks.

 

How do you sign Harrell and then cut him before he throws a pass for Brady Quinn? Name me one free agent other then maybe Ivory anyone is excited about?

 

Just like any GM or HC or rookie, I'm not going to write someone off this early in their tenure.  Idzik, could very well have an incredible offseason/draft next year and load this team with some talent (which has actually been happening over the past 3 years since Rex has had a full allotment of draft picks).  However, if he doesnt and he another offseason of failed signings and he doesnt solve the QB position and he hires a HC who is an immediate failure, his tenure with the Jets will be short lived.

 

I have run the thought that Woody might end up just liking Rex more the Idzik and ultimately siding with Rex, but even in my deepest of homer thoughts, I cant see that possible. 

[faba]

_{Idzik has to show something- he is not immune- his picks and draft choices have to deliver or show promise - already the writers are out to get him before the first game}

[JiFtheOracle]

I'd be curious to know who the last GM in this league was that didn't get to hire a single head coach before getting the axe...

Sure, Idzik probably gets shown the door when his hand-picked successor at HC fails to succeed after a few years, but it's very unlikely will he get canned before... though with Woody at the helm, you never know.

 

Great question.  Gene Smith almost did with the Jags.  He retained Jack Del Rio before firing him his very last season when he hired Mularkey.  I know Holmgren retained Mangini for one season with the Browns.  Thats all I can think of but never seen a new GM not hire his own HC...or at least that I can remember.

 

As I said above, even in my deepest homer Rex dreams, I dont see that happening.

[JiFtheOracle]

_{Idzik has to show something- he is not immune- his picks and draft choices have to deliver or show promise - already the writers are out to get him before the first game}

 

He went an entire offseason with literally adding zero talent to the team.  Like zero.  Nada.  Zilch.  Not one significant signing that makes the Jets better.  Thats not a good start and it does hurt the team in the future.

 

His only hope is that he hit with his picks.  

[Integrity28]

yeah..  you perceive it as bullying. 

 

everyone else doesn't.

 

Yeah, I pretty much just said that - it's an opinion, captain obvi

 

I also thought Mangini was a boob about 3 seasons before the rest of the lemmings caught up. I'm content to have an opinion, call it an opinion and wait until it proves right or wrong. I don't care either way. 

[SenorGato]

**** the media, they all seem to be perfectly fine with sucking at their jobs. 

[Jettington]

chiming back in here, to targer one area of media criticism that I think is especially unfair is how Rex is criticized for not paying attention to the offense, or being a defensive coordinator with the position of a head coach. This seems to be one of Stephen A. Smith's most frequent criticisms of Rex, but to me this criticism is cosmetic nitpicking and shows a great lack of awareness of how the NFL operates.

It's naive to think that people who are hired as head coaches are hired as ones who possess the knowledge and have the experience to manage all sides of the ball competently at a professional standard. This just isn't the case; coaches almost always come from one side of the ball and that side of the ball is their definitive area of expertise. My best guess is that Sean Payton spends almost no time managing his defense; he is an offensive coach and it shows. And so I don't see why Rex is bashed for being heavily dedicated to the defense; he is one of the best defensive minds in the game right now, and in my view it is better to have a coach who can excell in at least one area of the game than a coach who knows both sides of the ball but can only manage them at a mediocre level. And I'm dreading the state of this team if Rex is fired because make no mistake about it, I expect we will be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find a coach, and this future coach will not know either side of the ball as well as Rex knows defense or worse yet be a college coach with no NFL experience.

[KSJets]

I get the feeling that the Jets beat writers are trying to punish the Jets for becoming less media friendly under Idzik. It is pretty obvious that Rex has been toned down and Idzik basically ignores the media, so now the babies that cover this team are going to try and prove a point with baseless stories to try and draw a reaction.  The Manish story from today's paper is just one example of awful journalism.

 

Just from today's paper?  Try from the past year.  Manish needs to have his press pass revoked for such irresponsible reporting.

[Larz]

newspapers are dying

 

this is the last gasp of a dying man - sensational hysteria

 

**** 'em

 

stop buying the papers, posting their links here, and going to their website

 

**** 'em where it hurts

[#27TheDominator]

newspapers are dying

 

this is the last gasp of a dying man - sensational hysteria

 

**** 'em

 

stop buying the papers, posting their links here, and going to their website

 

**** 'em where it hurts

 

 

Yes.  Then we can get all our information from reliable and respected sources like Incarcerated Bob.

[Rogue_Jets]

I've been saying for a long time how ugly & malicious the media is when it comes to the Jets. They pile on and then keep using the same old tired references (butt-fumble, circus, clown) as the filler for worthless articles.

 

With idiots like Mehta and Prisco constantly berating Rex and the Jets its hard to find any writers who are willing to report rather than besmirch. Yes the Jets have made some very foolish errors and everything they do is news to these hacks who don't know how to report sports, so they resort to belittling Rex's tattoo and the whole foot fetish issue. By teh way something that would not be news or worthwhile reporting if it were not a N.Y. team.

 

I'm so tired of the jackazzes both in the print industry and the television sports people like those on NFL network. I'm so glad we do have Eric Davis who seems to like the Jets enough to at least stick up for them when the rest of the hosts on the show are looking for another butt-fumble reference. 

 

The only thing that will finally silence these lambs is for the Jets to win and win consistently. Unfortunately these same jerks will try and take some type of credit because they will think their tearing the Jets apart led to the team finally becoming a valid winning franchise, they will claim that if it were not for them embarressing the owner and G.M. into hiring a winning coach and doing well in future drafts is also in part because of their style of malicious slandering of this franchise. In the end we true Jets fans know the truth, that the Jets will turn things around and hopefully we'll finally see some decent reporting and editing from real sportwriters.

[JoeKlecko]

He went an entire offseason with literally adding zero talent to the team.  Like zero.  Nada.  Zilch.  Not one significant signing that makes the Jets better.  Thats not a good start and it does hurt the team in the future.

 

His only hope is that he hit with his picks.  

 

Absolute and utter BS.  Some of you guys should just give up watching football because you're freaking clueless and ridiculous.  In all the Jets boards I've been on over the years, I have never seen the like of posters hammering the GM and players before a regular season game ever happened.  It's absurd.  The board would be better off if many of you were banned.

 

Richardson doesn't have talent?  Milliner doesn't have talent?  Geno doesn't have talent?  Colon doesn't have talent?  Winters doesn't have talent?  Spadola doesn't have talent?  Ivory and Goodson don't have talent?

 

Unbelievable.  The sky is falling, the sky is falling.  What a bunch of whiny ass babies.  You guys deserve a perennial 0-16 team.

[BP]

Your right, and your also right about it only being temporary.  Look what they are doing to Rex.  Rex was the best thing that has ever happened to them

 

Nice guy, crazy as a loon, fun to cover, and they,  as Jettington pointed out, have been relentless in trying to destroy him.

 

Wait until Idzik brings Mangini back. 

And Rex has fueled this by being a darling of the media when it serves his best interest (and when the Jets are winning). and now all of a sudden he wants them to be careful on what they report. and actually holds vendettas against some news-people for OMG POSSIBLY REPORTING SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE JETS!!! OH NOES!

[bitonti]

 Richardson doesn't have talent?  Milliner doesn't have talent?  Geno doesn't have talent?  Colon doesn't have talent?  Winters doesn't have talent?  Spadola doesn't have talent?  Ivory and Goodson don't have talent?

 

 

You named 8 guys, one of which is suspended for being a moron and another that was beat out by Vlad. Geno ran out of the back of a friggin endzone, which wouldn't be so alarming if he didn't take two safeties the last time he played real football. 

 

Note that you didn't mention Garrard, Peterman, Braylon etc. yes Colon has talent but no way in hell he makes it through a whole season, ditto Winslow. 

 

Sheldon Richardson was a great pick, i'll give Idzik credit for that. On the whole he's not doing so hot. Saying so doesn't mean you should be banned it just means looking at the team objectively. If we weren't Jets fans, we'd laugh at this roster. 

[BP]

This is all on Woody Johnson, not Rex or Idzik. you reap what you sow

[Larz]

Yes.  Then we can get all our information from reliable and respected sources like Incarcerated Bob.

Or randy lange or nfl.com or sperm