T0mShane Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 I mean, I get it. Sam changes the whole dynamic of the locker-room. I wouldn't want one of my teammates meat-gazing me when I'm busy jerking off the long-snapper either. It's like when my company hired an oriental and we all had to make a conscious effort not to make jokes about chinamen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's like when my company hired an oriental and we all had to make a conscious effort not to make jokes about chinamen. In all seriousness, ignorance is bliss. Here's my thing- we all know gay jokes go on in the locker room...we make a ton of them here. The way Sam goes about telling someone hey that isnt cool will be a big part of how he becomes just one of the guys. When you tell someone to stop, they generally will stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 In all seriousness, ignorance is bliss. Here's my thing- we all know gay jokes go on in the locker room...we make a ton of them here. The way Sam goes about telling someone hey that isnt cool will be a big part of how he becomes just one of the guys. When you tell someone to stop, they generally will stop. True. The guy's been in a football locker room in the south for as long as he's been alive, I doubt this will be the first time he's heard a gay joke or had to deal with it. Just like any other issues in a locker-room, it'll only happen if another player is directing the disrespect directly at him. So long as he comes to work every day and performs on the field, this will be a non-issue for 90% of the team by the middle of training camp. There's always gonna be some people who have a problem with it, but that's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's like when my company hired an oriental and we all had to make a conscious effort not to make jokes about chinamen. We all have our crosses to bear. It just sounds comical when you articulate what Vilma and Thomas are trying to say out loud: "The biggest problem currently in my life is that I'll have to think twice about the racially or sexually insensitive jokes that I make and who I can parade my c*ck around too." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 We all have our crosses to bear. It just sounds comical when you articulate what Vilma and Thomas are trying to say out loud: "The biggest problem currently in my life is that I'll have to think twice about the racially or sexually insensitive jokes that I make and who I can parade my c*ck around too." Dude, you laugh but I had a guy in my office spin that into an attack on our personal freedoms yesterday. Now the bigots are the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Dude, you laugh but I had a guy in my office spin that into an attack on our personal freedoms yesterday. Now the bigots are the victims. I imagine if you found the one subject he was sensitive to, be it religion, country or nationality and started teeing off on him for it, he'd probably be the first to fight you for it, while not at all grasping the hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I imagine if you found the one subject he was sensitive to, be it religion, country or nationality and started teeing off on him for it, he'd probably be the first to fight you for it, while not at all grasping the hypocrisy. Do not mention how sh*tty a football player Tim Tebow is to this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Can't we all just get along and accept people for what they are? nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's like when my company hired an oriental and we all had to make a conscious effort not to make jokes about chinamen. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PWO7CMF5otY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 just to review: He doesn't look like he can stand up and cover (no 3-4's) He's undersized for a 4-3 DE (6'2" 260) . Is he a 3rd down specialist? What is his role? He's real old for a prospect (24) all this off the field stuff aside, Michael Sam is overrated as a prospect. If he comes out and runs a 4.5 at Indy we can revisit this but I don't think this guy was ever really on track to be a third rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 just to review: He doesn't look like he can stand up and cover (no 3-4's) He's undersized for a 4-3 DE (6'2" 260) . Is he a 3rd down specialist? What is his role? He's real old for a prospect (24) all this off the field stuff aside, Michael Sam is overrated as a prospect. If he comes out and runs a 4.5 at Indy we can revisit this but I don't think this guy was ever really on track to be a third rounder. Hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think it's naive to assume all angles weren't considered. I have to imagine he considered the significance in history of being the first openly gay NFL player oh yeah, I'm sure he was super exciting about playing that angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 oh yeah, I'm sure he was super exciting about playing that angle. Why not? He'll be remembered as doing something progressive and helping usher change in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Why not? He'll be remembered as doing something progressive and helping usher change in. Yes, but the first person who "blazes the trail" always has it the roughest. He's not going to have to deal with stuff even a small fraction of what, say, Jackie Robinson faced, but he's still going to have tough moments for the entire length of his career. He'll have a few bigoted teammates who won't be cool with it. He'll have some unruly fans calling him a fag. And already he's reportedly hurting his draft stock. If he wasn't confident that this would get leaked out eventually, he wouldn't be doing it. The only reason he is is because he wants to be the first to break the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Yes, but the first person who "blazes the trail" always has it the roughest. He's not going to have to deal with stuff even a small fraction of what, say, Jackie Robinson faced, but he's still going to have tough moments for the entire length of his career. He'll have a few bigoted teammates who won't be cool with it. He'll have some unruly fans calling him a fag. And already he's reportedly hurting his draft stock. If he wasn't confident that this would get leaked out eventually, he wouldn't be doing it. The only reason he is is because he wants to be the first to break the story. He'll get Villian the Foe questioning his desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Why not? He'll be remembered as doing something progressive and helping usher change in. Most people tend to care more about day in and out quality of life vs. their place in history u effin cynic. This doesn't help his draft stock or make him more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 If he wasn't confident that this would get leaked out eventually, he wouldn't be doing it. The only reason he is is because he wants to be the first to break the story. And like Jackie Robinson, but too a lesser extent, he'll be remembered for more then what he accomplished on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Most people tend to care more about day in and out quality of life vs. their place in history u effin cynic. This doesn't help his draft stock or make him more money. And like Jackie Robinson, but too a lesser extent, he'll be remembered for more then what he accomplished on the field. Listen to Hess on this. Do you really expect a 24-year old to care about his place in the context of history? Even Jackie Robinson just wanted to play ball, and do so at the highest level. He didn't care much about breaking the color barrier at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Most people tend to care more about day in and out quality of life vs. their place in history u effin cynic. This doesn't help his draft stock or make him more money. Most people never train ghard enough or practice enough to even make it to the pros. What most people do is irrelevant. I also think he's likely to make MORE money And what is cynical about thinking about this? You'd have to be a fool to think he didn't consider all these things and likely decided to do it based on a # of factors.There usually isn't 1 reason people do anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Listen to Hess on this. Do you really expect a 24-year old to care about his place in the context of history? Even Jackie Robinson just wanted to play ball, and do so at the highest level. He didn't care much about breaking the color barrier at the time. Nothing good ever started with those words..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 In all seriousness, ignorance is bliss. Here's my thing- we all know gay jokes go on in the locker room...we make a ton of them here. The way Sam goes about telling someone hey that isnt cool will be a big part of how he becomes just one of the guys. When you tell someone to stop, they generally will stop. Who knows... People may even rally around him... Defend him... Life lessons could be learned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think it's naive to assume all angles weren't considered. I have to imagine he considered the significance in history of being the first openly gay NFL player I mean, wasn't that Laverneous Coles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Most people never train ghard enough or practice enough to even make it to the pros. What most people do is irrelevant. I also think he's likely to make MORE money And what is cynical about thinking about this? You'd have to be a fool to think he didn't consider all these things and likely decided to do it based on a # of factors.There usually isn't 1 reason people do anything I'm sure his factors were more along the lines of, my teammates already know, most teams already know, this will eventually come out, rather it on my own terms, before the draft heats up, get it out of the way now, I'm proud of what I am, I have no reason to hide what I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Who knows... People may even rally around him... Defend him... Life lessons could be learned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is he? Jimmy ******* Chitwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm sure his factors were more along the lines of, my teammates already know, most teams already know, this will eventually come out, rather it on my own terms, before the draft heats up, get it out of the way now, I'm proud of what I am, I have no reason to hide what I am. This. There's way too many conspiracy theorists around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 This. There's way too many conspiracy theorists around here.we're almost to the point where "he's not even gay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I mean, wasn't that Laverneous Coles? I thought he was raped, but not gay. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I mean, wasn't that Laverneous Coles? Oof. Too soon. Like Lincoln jokes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 This. There's way too many conspiracy theorists around here. Conspiracy? You twit. Who cares why he did it. I'm saying ti was a multi-factorial decision that likely included pros/cons that extended beyond what team drafts him vote huggyBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 just to review: He doesn't look like he can stand up and cover (no 3-4's) He's undersized for a 4-3 DE (6'2" 260) . Is he a 3rd down specialist? What is his role? He's real old for a prospect (24) all this off the field stuff aside, Michael Sam is overrated as a prospect. If he comes out and runs a 4.5 at Indy we can revisit this but I don't think this guy was ever really on track to be a third rounder. Third, probably not. But a week ago I'd have bet even money on his being in line for no worse than a fifth-round contract in the neighborhood of 2.5M/4, 200K signing bonus, and I wouldn't touch it at 5:2 against now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Conspiracy? You twit. Who cares why he did it. I'm saying ti was a multi-factorial decision that likely included pros/cons that extended beyond what team drafts him vote huggyBear That's bullsh*t. And yes, to answer your question supra, it is indeed necessarily cynical to suggest that this was a decision borne out of utility. Not to mention just plain painfully naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 That's bullsh*t. And yes, to answer your question supra, it is indeed necessarily cynical to suggest that this was a decision borne out of utility. Not to mention just plain painfully naive. I suggested it was a consideration, as I said earlier, it's naive to assume anything less . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/men-action/201402/experts-say-endorsement-opportunities-should-be-store-michael-sam Experts Say Endorsement Opportunities Should Be In Store For Michael Sam Monday, February 10, 2014 9:19 pm Written by: ThePostGame Staff 2 0 0 ShareThis Email Print One intriguing subplot in the story of Michael Sam, the former Missouri standout who may become the first openly gay NFL player, is how and if marketers and endorsers will pursue the 24-year-old. Darren Rovell of ESPN spoke to several marketing experts as well as Sam's agents. The interest in Sam is likely to be intense, as the LGBT community is a valuable and untapped demographic for advertisers and companies over the last few years have become more comfortable with openly gay spokespeople. "We told him that there is going to be a storm of people and companies that are going to want to get a piece," Joe Barkett, whose firm Empire Athletes represents Sam, told Rovell. "He has a willingness to do deals, but that's obviously not what drove this." Barkett told Rovell that Sam will likely sign a shoe and apparel deal and perhaps a second deal in the coming weeks. After that he'll focus on preparing for the NFL Combine and his pro day. As Rovell suggests, it appears Nike could have the inside track on signing Sam. Not only does Nike outfit two of the more high profile athletes to come out over the past year -- Jason Collins and Brittney Griner -- it has a strong partnership with the LGBT Sports Coalition, which works to end discrimination of sexual orientation in sports. Ultimately, experts agreed, Sam's on-field performance will determine how many and what types of endorsement offers he'll receive. "It's amazing and courageous what he's done, but I don't think it's necessarily going to shoot him to marketing stardom," Ryan Williams, director of marketing for Athletes First, told Rovell. "He'll get more speaking opportunities and maybe an eventual book deal, but the real money will most likely come only if he plays well on the field." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 All straight men are qualified to speculate on how gay men come to grips with their sexuality. Sorry but that's just basic science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Why are we forced to act like this kid did not consider the possibilities? He should, but I'm pretty sure that he did. He has a publicist, yet I am painfully naive. On Saturday night, over Chinese food at the home of his publicist, Howard Bragman, Sam was joined by an exclusive group http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/sports/football/for-nfl-prospect-michael-sam-upbringing-was-bigger-challenge-than-coming-out-as-gay.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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