billo83 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Like who? Verner 4 yeWE'LL, big money deal to Tampa 24th in pass defense Davis 4 year big money deal back to Indy 19th in pass defense Talib 6 yr big money deal to Denver 16th in pass defense DRC 5 year big money deal to the Giants 13th in pass defense Woody was not going have Revis back no way no how. Guys like Talib and Davis were going to favour their teams because they go term and dollars and went to teams with a chance to win. We would have had to one up DRC and Verner either dollar wise or term wise. Patterson was a flop no doubt about it but Milliner was a realsiitc good starter coming off a great last 5 games of last year. they also drafted a CB in the 3rd round and another in the 6th. the 6th rounder was a flop but injuires to both Mcdougle and milliner killed us. One of the things idzik did right is to not blow the wad on a middle level Cb like DRC when it would not have mattered this year anyway, we mayhave had anotehr win or two. In the end we had bad CB play but also a coach who seemed incapable of adapting to that fact and changing his D to protect these guys until it was too late. So Idz knew that the team would be bad this year so he decided not to spend? Says a lot about him and his ability as a GM. There is no excuse for going into the season relying on a injury prone second year player that looked good for 5 games and awful in the others, a journeyman never has been, and relying on a rookie 3rd round pick who was actually 4-5 round talent and hadn't played for a year. How can you possibly defend this? I disagree with your premise about the season. If he adequately addressed the CB and WR positions and picked up a better replacement for Howard it would have been a different season. Remember, they have lost a lot of close games they could have won with better talent at those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If you haven't noticed the NFL rules have changed since then allowing much more advantage to the offense with PI and holding calls on the D. Rex is still clinging to the G&P and his beloved wildcat. His team went 8-8 last year with a league worst QB play. Im sure if his QB played average, he would have had a 10+ win team. Again, not your dinosaur age just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If he connects on 43% of his punches he'll join Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards in the exclusive club of people with better success rates than Rex Ryan. The hatred against Rex here is insane. Mangini had Favre and couldnt make it to the playoff meanwhile Rex had a rookie throwing for 12 TD 20 INT and made it to the afcc. But like the disillusioned poster above state anybody that show up to the Jets facility is better than Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If he connects on 43% of his punches he'll join Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards in the exclusive club of people with better success rates than Rex Ryan. Lets see Edwards had Vinny and Chad and Mangini had Chad and Favre and they made how many AFCCG's?? None and Rex has more playoff wins then both together.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Lets see Edwards had Vinny and Chad and Mangini had Chad and Favre and they made how many AFCCG's?? None and Rex has more playoff wins then both together.. Why didn't Rex just go out and get his own Vinny Testaverde? Didn't want to pony up for a new tattoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 He inherited a bunch of crap from Mangina outside of Revis. Any other player you'd call above average in that group? David Bowens? Ghost? Kenyon Coleman? Kris Jenkins for 7 games in 2 yrs? Washed up Shaun Ellis n Bryan Thomas? Pace? Or maybe it was Eric Barton n David Harris? Ty Law? Hank Posheat? David Barrett? Abram Elam? CB Lowery, who later turned to a safety? Which one? How is that a pretty good roster??? They were a middle of the pack D with that "pretty good roster". Not to mention the cap issues we were in...n that too after Mangina had Revis, Mangold, Harris n Brick on rookie deals. ahhh, the myth that rex only succeeded his first 2 years with mangenious's hand picked pool of talent known as the new York jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 You can't use Mark Sanchez to defend Rex because nobody put a gun to Rex's head and made him start Sanchez, uncontested, for four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Jenks force was for 7 games out of 32 38 games. you forgot the 6 playoff games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 You can't use Mark Sanchez to defend Rex because nobody put a gun to Rex's head and made him start Sanchez, uncontested, for four years. especially with super stars like kellen clemons and marc brunell waiting in the wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 LOL, I'll take that bet. There's been quite a bit of speculation that Atlanta would make him their next HC. You don't think any other team would make him am offer as a DC? If the rumors are true, and Rex is looking at $3-5M/year to broadcast, he'd be silly to pass on that - at least for next year. A fraction of the work for head coach money, plus collecting his last year's pay from Woody, without having to move his family? It's an absolute no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 There's been quite a bit of speculation that Atlanta would make him their next HC* *In your mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 38 games. you forgot the 6 playoff games What 6 playoff games? Did the Jets win an AFCCG? Congrats on winning 2 Wild Card games and 2 Division games in the last 45 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 If the rumors are true, and Rex is looking at $3-5M/year to broadcast, he'd be silly to pass on that - at least for next year. A fraction of the work for head coach money, plus collecting his last year's pay from Woody, without having to move his family? It's an absolute no brainer. Also, no head coaching offers. Not a one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It's not just one person, it's the dysfunction in the whole organization, nobody is on the same page from coaches on up everyone is looking out for themselves. This franchise needs structure from top to bottom. And with Woody Johnson as owner I'm not sure this will ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 He inherited a bunch of crap from Mangina outside of Revis. Any other player you'd call above average in that group? David Bowens? Ghost? Kenyon Coleman? Kris Jenkins for 7 games in 2 yrs? Washed up Shaun Ellis n Bryan Thomas? Pace? Or maybe it was Eric Barton n David Harris? Ty Law? Hank Posheat? David Barrett? Abram Elam? CB Lowery, who later turned to a safety? Which one? How is that a pretty good roster??? They were a middle of the pack D with that "pretty good roster". Not to mention the cap issues we were in...n that too after Mangina had Revis, Mangold, Harris n Brick on rookie deals. He inherited the best OL in the league. He inherited Thomas Jones, who was arguably the best RB in the game in 2009. Tanny traded for Edwards early in his first season as HC. Then, Tanny used the salary dollars from Favre leaving to sign Bart Scott, Jim Leonard, and Douglass. 2009 and 2010 Rex had one of the best rosters in the NFL, aside from the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Also, no head coaching offers. Not a one. Meh. He can sift thru offers and turn down anything he's not in love with if he has that kind of TV deal waiting in the wings. Especially when he's double-dipping on Woody's dime, and doesn't have to move his family to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Why didn't Rex just go out and get his own Vinny Testaverde? Didn't want to pony up for a new tattoo? He was getting blamed for being the GM I guess he really wasn't after all because I agree he should have .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 especially with super stars like kellen clemons and marc brunell waiting in the wings Rex needed to find a defensive player to play QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 One of the things idzik did right is to not blow the wad on a middle level Cb like DRC when it would not have mattered this year anyway, we mayhave had anotehr win or two. How do you explain the 7M wasted on Harvin after the season was already in the toilet? Idzik is in way over his head and has absolutely no idea what he is doing. He said all the right the things and portrayed himself as credible with his philosophy but the results have been crap and his overly deliberate nature and inability to adapt to change will ultimately be his downfall. Idzik's mismanagement of the CB position set off a domino effect that first forced the reach in the draft for a CB that impacted the availability of WRs. The Jets should never have used all 12 picks but Idzik had no ability to move up based on his view of value. Terrible GM who will never get another chance in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Meh. He can sift thru offers and turn down anything he's not in love with if he has that kind of TV deal waiting in the wings. Especially when he's double-dipping on Woody's dime, and doesn't have to move his family to do it. Rex bet on himself last year and it worked out great, so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What 6 playoff games? Did the Jets win an AFCCG? Congrats on winning 2 Wild Card games and 2 Division games in the last 45 years. if I am not mistaken. rex and the jets played 3 playoff games in 2009 and 3 playoff games in 2010. 3+3 = 6,no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 He inherited the best OL in the league. He inherited Thomas Jones, who was arguably the best RB in the game in 2009. Tanny traded for Edwards early in his first season as HC. Then, Tanny used the salary dollars from Favre leaving to sign Bart Scott, Jim Leonard, and Douglass. 2009 and 2010 Rex had one of the best rosters in the NFL, aside from the QB. wow.jetsinsiders bring a whole new angle on these things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 He inherited the best OL in the league. He inherited Thomas Jones, who was arguably the best RB in the game in 2009. Tanny traded for Edwards early in his first season as HC. Then, Tanny used the salary dollars from Favre leaving to sign Bart Scott, Jim Leonard, and Douglass. 2009 and 2010 Rex had one of the best rosters in the NFL, aside from the QB. Totally agreed with the last sentence. Ryan did inherit one of the best OL in the game, but Faneca (retired after 2009) and Woody (retired after 2010 season) were aging and in the twilight of their careers. I still wouldn't argue we had one of the best OL in the league. However, TJ was not the best RB in the game at any point in his career. He was a product of the system. Edwards was acquired a few wks into the season. Sanchez had zero chemistry with him for the first few wks. If u remember, Sanchez threw several ints trying to force the ball to Braylon in often double and triple coverage in their first few games together. Before Braylon, we had Chansi Stuckey as our #2 WR. Clowney at #3. That is what Ryan inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 especially with super stars like kellen clemons and marc brunell waiting in the wings Don't forget Tebow, Woody's choice to sell PSL's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 If the rumors are true, and Rex is looking at $3-5M/year to broadcast, he'd be silly to pass on that - at least for next year. A fraction of the work for head coach money, plus collecting his last year's pay from Woody, without having to move his family? It's an absolute no brainer. Oh I agree with that if true. He could use the time to reflect on his weaknesses and a plan to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 *In your mind So I'm making this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 So I'm making this up? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 LOL, I'll take that bet. There's been quite a bit of speculation that Atlanta would make him their next HC. You don't think any other team would make him am offer as a DC? Not really, no. If we have a hard time getting a GM because Rex comes with the gig (note: not my narrative), then why is somebody who already has a job going to take on a rogue buffoon? Do you understand how much better he has to be than the next guy for anybody to even consider this? Nobody has paid on a prop bet yet, but considering that Rex's five best offers are all going to be for stuff that isn't coaching, sure, why not. What do I have to risk to win zero this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 He inherited the best OL in the league. He inherited Thomas Jones, who was arguably the best RB in the game in 2009. Tanny traded for Edwards early in his first season as HC. Then, Tanny used the salary dollars from Favre leaving to sign Bart Scott, Jim Leonard, and Douglass. 2009 and 2010 Rex had one of the best rosters in the NFL, aside from the QB. The QB is the most important position. And he still got them to the afccg twice in spite of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yes. Apparently you only read what fits your agenda. This coming from the guy he said Bevell was the next HC because of contract end dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The QB is the most important position. And he still got them to the afccg twice in spite of it. Ancient history....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 If Danny Woodhead could play kickoff coverage we are 10-6. Never mind the Bills loss that was 100% on this great rookie QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 How do you explain the 7M wasted on Harvin after the season was already in the toilet? Idzik is in way over his head and has absolutely no idea what he is doing. He said all the right the things and portrayed himself as credible with his philosophy but the results have been crap and his overly deliberate nature and inability to adapt to change will ultimately be his downfall. Idzik's mismanagement of the CB position set off a domino effect that first forced the reach in the draft for a CB that impacted the availability of WRs. The Jets should never have used all 12 picks but Idzik had no ability to move up based on his view of value. Terrible GM who will never get another chance in the NFL. 100% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Is 'billo83' Jimmy Sexton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ancient history....... Namath is ancient history. the AFC CG was in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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