T0mShane Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Long time, Shane. Hows everything been? I rarely post anymore. What happened? Found chicks and drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 When it comes to need and impact, it's close IMO but all other things being equal I'd take the pass rusher over the wide receiver. That being said, you really can't go wrong either way (in terms of picking between the two positons) as long as the guy is an impact player. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Forgive me if I'm wrong as I honestly have never seen the guy play and don't watch college football, but isn't Cooper a very good route runner and reliable hands, but physically isn't anything special like a AJ Green or Julio Jones? I think I've read somewhere he compares to Roddy White, and while he was a very good receiver in his prime and is still very good, I'd rather have a beast pass rusher instead. Now if we're talking a physical freak with dominating size and/or rare speed/quickness to go along with being a solid overall player then that's a different story. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Take the great prospect when you can. Get a player that has a good chance of being a stalwart for your team for ten years. Do not water your draft down with three maybes, when you have a probably. True. Passing up Cooper can be the difference between Jerry Rice n Eric Decker (Just a random comparison). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Forgive me if I'm wrong as I honestly have never seen the guy play and don't watch college football, but isn't Cooper a very good route runner and reliable hands, but physically isn't anything special like a AJ Green or Julio Jones? I think I've read somewhere he compares to Roddy White, and while he was a very good receiver in his prime and is still very good, I'd rather have a beast pass rusher instead. Now if we're talking a physical freak with dominating size and/or rare speed/quickness to go along with being a solid overall player then that's a different story. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Last time we selected a beast pass rusher 6th overall, he went down the history books for the wrong reason...just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Your QB throws the ball 37 times a game. Make 18 of those 50 50 balls, 30-60 yards down the field. Complete half of them. Boom, one quarter of your passes average say 45 yards per completion. Congrats, you've just solved football. Yeah, complete half white the other half are intercepted. Congrats, you just became the Jets without the "45 yard" completions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Forgive me if I'm wrong as I honestly have never seen the guy play and don't watch college football, but isn't Cooper a very good route runner and reliable hands, but physically isn't anything special like a AJ Green or Julio Jones? I think I've read somewhere he compares to Roddy White, and while he was a very good receiver in his prime and is still very good, I'd rather have a beast pass rusher instead. Now if we're talking a physical freak with dominating size and/or rare speed/quickness to go along with being a solid overall player then that's a different story. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk You are describing Kevin White not Amari Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 You are describing Kevin White not Amari Cooper. How tall is ODY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 How tall is ODY? Who? If you mean OBJ he is about 5'10 but have incredible hops and hang time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Fowler or Beasley w/ the 6th pick then all aboard the Justin Hardy train in the 2nd- WOO WOO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Fowler or Beasley w/ the 6th pick then all aboard the Justin Hardy train in the 2nd- WOO WOO!!! Nah, He is good don't get me wrong but Phillip Dorsett takes this offense to an elite level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZatnTkhT8Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsVets91 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Cooper yes, Peat no. Definitely not at 6 anyway, maybe if we trade back into mid 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Nah, He is good don't get me wrong but Phillip Dorsett takes this offense to an elite level. Sign me up in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Sign me up in the 2nd. Santana Moss 2.0... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsmanjb Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Cooper/Fowler at 6 Watch us pass on Cooper for an Olb who averages 2 sacks per season. Hopefully the pick is Cooper. We have to hope Fowler is there when we pick round 1. Then with the second or third pick we can go for GREEN-Beckham/Funchess/Devin Smith/Lockett any of which could outperform cooper/white. If Fowler Jr. gets passed Jacksonville we'll all have to get down on our knees & thank the football gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not sold on white. Give me a guy with a full resume. A guy who has played at a high level for several years and had the on-field success to back up his value. 40 times are an idiotic Guage of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not sold on white. Give me a guy with a full resume. A guy who has played at a high level for several years and had the on-field success to back up his value. 40 times are an idiotic Guage of talent. Dude have you seen this guy play? Just because he was at a Jr. College for 2 years doesn't take away from what he was able to accomplish. Also do you really think the reason Kevin White is being so heavily touted is because of his 40 times? That just cemented what scouts and teams already knew. That he was one of the top if not the top wr prospect in this draft. There plenty of guys who played at a high level in college and were busts in the NFL because their game didn't translate to the next level. If you watched this guy through out the season you would know he is built for the NFL and his best days are ahead of him. Amari Cooper had a good view of what this kid can do when he bust Alabama's ass last season. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kevin-white-vs-alabama-2014/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 We have to hope Fowler is there when we pick round 1. Then with the second or third pick we can go for GREEN-Beckham/Funchess/Devin Smith/Lockett any of which could outperform cooper/white. If Fowler Jr. gets passed Jacksonville we'll all have to get down on our knees & thank the football gods. Beckham will not make to 37 unless a miracle happens. I would be okay with Smith, Dorsett, Coates or Funchess in that order. Btw, Lockett is good but not in Cooper or Whites class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Forgive me if I'm wrong as I honestly have never seen the guy play and don't watch college football, but isn't Cooper a very good route runner and reliable hands, but physically isn't anything special like a AJ Green or Julio Jones? I think I've read somewhere he compares to Roddy White, and while he was a very good receiver in his prime and is still very good, I'd rather have a beast pass rusher instead. Now if we're talking a physical freak with dominating size and/or rare speed/quickness to go along with being a solid overall player then that's a different story. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk No. Cooper is fast and extremely quick. He also has good size and big hands. Think of a bigger and slightly faster Victor Cruz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 No. Cooper is fast and extremely quick. He also has good size and big hands. Think of a bigger and slightly faster Victor Cruz. He is not faster than Victor Cruz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsVets91 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Dude have you seen this guy play? Just because he was at a Jr. College for 2 years doesn't take away from what he was able to accomplish. Also do you really think the reason Kevin White is being so heavily touted is because of his 40 times? That just cemented what scouts and teams already knew. That he was one of the top if not the top wr prospect in this draft. There plenty of guys who played at a high level in college and were busts in the NFL because their game didn't translate to the next level. If you watched this guy through out the season you would know he is built for the NFL and his best days are ahead of him. Amari Cooper had a good view of what this kid can do when he bust Alabama's ass last season. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kevin-white-vs-alabama-2014/ I'd take White over Cooper. If he's there at 6 I hope we take him, unless Fowler or Williams is there... That'd be a tough decision. Williams won't be, but Fowler could be. Fowler vs White would be a tough one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 He is not faster than Victor Cruz... Yes, he is. He ran a 4.42. Cruz ran a 4.47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'd take White over Cooper. If he's there at 6 I hope we take him, unless Fowler or Williams is there... That'd be a tough decision. Williams almost definitely won't be, but Fowler could be. Fowler vs White would be a tough one. I love White but the problem with us taking him is we already have Marshall and Decker. Especially Marshall who is a similar player to White. The truth is Cooper may be a better fit for us because we could line him up anywhere, he is more polished and his route running is superior to Whites. However, if we take White I would trust Gailey to make to work. I think if both Fowler and White are there I would probably go Fowler and go receiver in round 2 assuming that is where the best value is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Yes, he is. He ran a 4.42. Cruz ran a 4.47. I don't care about . 05 off of 40 times. Watch a game and you can see his game speed against NFL players. Cruz, before he injury was a very explosive player and his acceleration and ability to separate was off the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 One thing is for sure ... If we take Cooper or White and G Smith stinks it up, he will probably never play another down in the NFL. He would be throwing to B Marshall, E Decker, A Cooper, J Kerley and J Amaro ... And he would have a really good back in Ivory. You fail with that cast ... There isn't much you can do. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I don't care about . 05 off of 40 times. Watch a game and you can see his game speed against NFL players. That's great. The fact is that Amari Cooper is faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 What happened? Found chicks and drugs? I stopped wearing those Guns N Roses shirts, just like you told me, Pops. Been working alot. 1 of these days we will have to chill at a Jets game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsVets91 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I love White but the problem with us taking him is we already have Marshall and Decker. Especially Marshall who is a similar player to White. The truth is Cooper may be a better fit for us because we could line him up anywhere, he is more polished and his route running is superior to Whites. However, if we take White I would trust Gailey to make to work. I think if both Fowler and White are there I would probably go Fowler and go receiver in round 2 assuming that is where the best value is. I think White would be the BPA, but you make a valid point. Cooper would be better suited to run out of the slot behind Marshall and Decker. I'd be happy with either White, Fowler, Beasley, or Cooper. Although personally I think White has a higher overall ceiling than Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think White would be the BPA, but you make a valid point. Cooper would be better suited to run out of the slot behind Marshall and Decker. I'd be happy with either White, Fowler, Beasley, or Cooper. Although personally I think White has a higher overall ceiling than Cooper. I would agree with that but Cooper should have a very long and productive career. Some are comparing him to Marvin Harrison and Tory Holt. I think we would both be very happy with that. Of course White could be another Terrell Owens or Brandon Marshall without the baggage so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 That's great. The fact is that Amari Cooper is faster. In the 40 yard dash? It appears to be so. In game action? I will just have to trust my lying eyes... The ability to go in and out of breaks without losing speed, the ability to accelerate, all of that counts too for me and Cruz plays much faster than his 40 time. I am sure you would agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsVets91 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I would agree with that but Cooper should have a very long and productive career. Some are comparing him to Marvin Harrison and Tory Holt. I think we would both be very happy with that. Of course White could be another Terrell Owens or Brandon Marshall without the baggage so.... Agreed. I'd be happy with Cooper as well. Although, I'd love to see White step in for Marshall as a homegrown talent once Marshall's age catches up with him... Which hopefully won't be for at least a couple more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revis Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Agreed. I'd be happy with Cooper as well. Although, I'd love to see White step in for Marshall as a homegrown talent once Marshall's age catches up with him... Which hopefully won't be for at least a couple more years. Also imagine taking one of these 2 WRs and having them get an education every day in camp vs Revis & Cro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsmanjb Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 He is not faster than Victor Cruz... Cruz & Beckham totally remind me of the fanhood behind Carmelo Anthony and the knicks. For me they're equivocal talents overrated and overhyped. Eli isn't good either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Fowler or Beasley w/ the 6th pick then all aboard the Justin Hardy train in the 2nd- WOO WOO!!! This kid will be around in the third. Watch. He is great but has very little stock. Hardy will be a steal for any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 In the 40 yard dash? It appears to be so. In game action? I will just have to trust my lying eyes... The ability to go in and out of breaks without losing speed, the ability to accelerate, all of that counts too for me and Cruz plays much faster than his 40 time. I am sure you would agree with that. Not saying Kerely is an all star but he at the least plays faster then his 4.5 .. Point being, 40 doesn't mean everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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