Larz Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 These never get old, Thanks for the laugh. You know they were talking about losing weight right? LMAO! nah, its an ESPN conspiracy to fool us ! nothing really happened ! its a mystery !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 No The judge said there was no evidence that Brady ordered the AFCC balls deflated if they were even deflated. Nobody even knows for sure what the pressure was in the balls because there were 2 gauges and each gauge read differently. ESPN put out erroneous information that all the suckers bought, hook, line and sinker. Find a link where the judge ruled that Brady was innocent, that he's was not guilty of the charges. Then find the link where the judge says the balls weren't even deflated You're wrong, always are wrong and just keep throwing shlt out there hoping someone outside of NE actually believes it. The Judge wasnt ever charged with deciding Bradys innocence or guilt. He was charged in ruling on the punishment phase of the case. Accept it, your team cheated and was caught after years of running around as if the rules of the league didn't apply to them. Brady continued to cheat for years and he was caught, accused and found guilty. Its over, those two guilty rulings are going nowhere. No matter how many times you cry about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 it was the judges ruling on vincents punishment. goodell handled the first appeal and acted as an internal arbitrator. it had to be vincents punishment so goodell could act as arbitrator on appeal that don't lean you too good up there do they ? lol Like I said Kangaroo court with Wells providing evidence, Goodell was ripped to shreds. Face that fact and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Did Brady miss the first 4 games this year due to the suspension? He was found innocent in a Federal Court. he was found innocent in Patriot Court not Federal Court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Find a link where the judge ruled that Brady was innocent, that he's was not guilty of the charges. Then find the link where the judge says the balls weren't even deflated You're wrong, always are wrong and just keep throwing shlt out there hoping someone outside of NE actually believes it. The Judge wasnt ever charged with deciding Bradys innocence or guilt. He was charged in ruling on the punishment phase of the case. Accept it, your team cheated and was caught after years of running around as if the rules of the league didn't apply to them. Brady continued to cheat for years and he was caught, accused and found guilty. Its over, those two guilty rulings are going nowhere. No matter how many times you cry about it HA HA Just google and be enlightened to the facts, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 it was the judges ruling on vincents punishment. goodell handled the first appeal and acted as an internal arbitrator. it had to be vincents punishment so goodell could act as arbitrator on appeal that don't lean you too good up there do they ? lol Where is the proof where Brady ordered doctored balls for the AFCC? There is none. The NFL has no case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 No The judge said there was no evidence that Brady ordered the AFCC balls deflated if they were even deflated. Nobody even knows for sure what the pressure was in the balls because there were 2 gauges and each gauge read differently. ESPN put out erroneous information that all the suckers bought, hook, line and sinker. Completely false. As usual. Judge never said Brady was innocent. Judge never said there was "no evidence". Wow. I guess it makes sense that since it's OK for Brady to lie repeatedly and publicly and ok for any of the Patriots to lie about almost anything that their troll fans take up the lying hobby too. Shame on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Due to the double jeopardy rule, if he had been found innocent the matter would be closed. Double jeopardy applies to criminal cases. Not civil cases and hearings. Constitution 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 goodells ruling ? lol the judge also commented on shady's failure to cooperate, and never ruled on the evidence, this was a procedural case based on a decades old "rule of the shop" union law everybody knows shady did it even you guys Brady is a great Quarterback in the NFL who everyone knows lied publicly and cheated. Pats fans can whine all they want, but them is the facts. And they know it. It will always be remembered as such. To actually think or claim that the District Court found Brady "innocent" is comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 No The judge said there was no evidence that Brady ordered the AFCC balls deflated if they were even deflated. Nobody even knows for sure what the pressure was in the balls because there were 2 gauges and each gauge read differently. ESPN put out erroneous information that all the suckers bought, hook, line and sinker. Denial - you fell for the misinformation drooled out by the equally uninformed Boston media. The ruling was published - I think other's challenged someone to publish the link showing that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Completely false. As usual. Judge never said Brady was innocent. Judge never said there was "no evidence". Wow. I guess it makes sense that since it's OK for Brady to lie repeatedly and publicly and ok for any of the Patriots to lie about almost anything that their troll fans take up the lying hobby too. Shame on you. Wrong, but keep spewing BS. What is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady?" Judge Richard M. Berman repeatedly asked NFL lawyer Daniel L. Nash at the first hearing in the civil case in Manhattan federal court as Brady and Commissioner Roger Goodell looked on.Nash responded there was "considerable evidence Mr. Brady clearly knew about this," including records of text messages and phone calls between the quarterback and one of two Patriots employees implicated in the scandal known as "Deflategate." But he also said there was no "smoking gun" showing Brady had direct knowledge that the balls were underinflated for the first half of the Patriots' 45-7 win over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC championship game Jan. 18. http://www.wmur.com/sports/deflategate-hearing-begins-in-federal-court-in-new-york-city/34673386 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Double jeopardy applies to criminal cases. Not civil cases and hearings. Constitution 101. The peoples court lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Wrong, but keep spewing BS. What is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady?" Judge Richard M. Berman repeatedly asked NFL lawyer Daniel L. Nash at the first hearing in the civil case in Manhattan federal court as Brady and Commissioner Roger Goodell looked on.Nash responded there was "considerable evidence Mr. Brady clearly knew about this," including records of text messages and phone calls between the quarterback and one of two Patriots employees implicated in the scandal known as "Deflategate." But he also said there was no "smoking gun" showing Brady had direct knowledge that the balls were underinflated for the first half of the Patriots' 45-7 win over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC championship game Jan. 18. http://www.wmur.com/sports/deflategate-hearing-begins-in-federal-court-in-new-york-city/34673386 thanks for proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 thanks for proving my point. What point? That the NFLs case is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 What point? That the NFLs case is a joke. go away now. Judge never said "Brady is innocent" Judge never said "there is no evidence". Judge made his decision because the NFL procedures and notice to players were all screwed up. Those, and only those, were the basis for the decision. Preliminary hearing comments or questions do not amount to what the judge said in his decision. Really, if you are going to post and make claims here, please have some clue what you are talking about. You are coming off as an ignoramus. Stop embarrassing yourself and go back to Pats fan .com or whatever site you go to where you can suck other Patriots fans' dicks while defending the lying and cheating by the NE Patriots franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 HA HA Just google and be enlightened to the facts, Google idiotic Patriot fans bogus claims and imaginary court cases? Never happened, the judge never ruled on his guilt. Keeping stroking yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Brady will be found innocent once again. What a waste of taxpayer money. Waste of TP money? How do? I thought the judges were on a salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 go away now. Judge never said "Brady is innocent" Judge never said "there is no evidence". Judge made his decision because the NFL procedures and notice to players were all screwed up. Those, and only those, were the basis for the decision. Preliminary hearing comments or questions do not amount to what the judge said in his decision. Really, if you are going to post and make claims here, please have some clue what you are talking about. You are coming off as an ignoramus. Stop embarrassing yourself and go back to Pats fan .com or whatever site you go to where you can suck other Patriots fans' dicks while defending the lying and cheating by the NE Patriots franchise. Youre full of sh*t. Berman added that there was no direct evidence linking Brady to delflated balls in the AFCC, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Youre full of sh*t. Berman added that there was no direct evidence linking Brady to delflated balls in the AFCC, You are pathetic and dumb to boot. Berman's decision had NOTHING to do with the evidence. It had everything to do with lack of notice to the players about the cosequences of tampering with the equipment and the piss-poor inconsistent procedural elements of this situation. Keep talking yourself into thinking that Brady didn't cheat and lie about it. Newsflash: He did. On October 23, 2014, three days before a Sunday game against the Chicago Bears, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages: Jastremski:Cant wait to give you your needle this week McNally: **** tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....****in watermelons coming Jastremski:So angry McNally: The only thingdeflating sun..is his passing rating The next day, October 24, 2014, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages : Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday McNally: **** tom Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Brady is a great Quarterback in the NFL who everyone knows lied publicly and cheated. Pats fans can whine all they want, but them is the facts. And they know it. It will always be remembered as such. To actually think or claim that the District Court found Brady "innocent" is comical. What is comical is the Jets are about to play their biggest football game in 6 years, and Jets fans are still crying about a football that was .2 PSI below regulation. That's pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 What is comical is the Jets are about to play their biggest football game in 6 years, and Jets fans are still crying about a football that was .2 PSI below regulation. That's pretty sad. What is comical is that a troll and his troll buddy whining about Brady being innocent on a Jets fan site, and then starts calling names when they loose the argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 What is sad is a man in his late 60's who spends every waking minute of what little is left of his life on a rival team's fan messageboard. It's worse than sad. It's abnormal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingToMyGraveGreen Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Double jeopardy applies to criminal cases. Not civil cases and hearings. Constitution 101. Hey Dcat - I'll defer to your conclusion (certainly regarding a hearing), but nevertheless the point is Brady was not found “innocent” because there was never a judgement entered as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Hey Dcat - I'll defer to your conclusion (certainly regarding a hearing), but nevertheless the point is Brady was not found “innocent” because there was never a judgement entered as such. My understanding of the ruling the trial was not based on guilt or innocence, but if the NFL and Goodell had over stepped according to the collective bargaining agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devland Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Where is the proof where Brady ordered doctored balls for the AFCC? There is none. The NFL has no case. And the NFL testified in court that they had no evidence that Brady had any knowledge of balls being tampered with if they were. Didn't help the NFL's case much. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaniec Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Brady will be found innocent once again. What a waste of taxpayer money. i don't think they will find Brady innocent. The decision will be not-guilty. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 i don't think they will find Brady innocent. The decision will be not-guilty. Big difference. Case is not about if Brady is guilty or innocent. It is about if the NFL and Goddell have the right to implement these types of decisions and punish. Original Judge said yes in arbitration second Judge in appeal said no. This is about the appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 Due to the double jeopardy rule, if he had been found innocent the matter would be closed. We may need a lawyer to give an opinion on this. Double jeopardy, I believe, would be getting tried twice for the same crime. But since this is an appeal, it is the results of the original findings that are being called into question. So this seems more like an extension of the original proceedings, not a new proceeding that might fall under double jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 Wrong, but keep spewing BS. What is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady?" Judge Richard M. Berman repeatedly asked NFL lawyer Daniel L. Nash at the first hearing in the civil case in Manhattan federal court as Brady and Commissioner Roger Goodell looked on Nash responded there was "considerable evidence Mr. Brady clearly knew about this," including records of text messages and phone calls between the quarterback and one of two Patriots employees implicated in the scandal known as "Deflategate." But he also said there was no "smoking gun" showing Brady had direct knowledge that the balls were underinflated for the first half of the Patriots' 45-7 win over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC championship game Jan. 18. http://www.wmur.com/sports/deflategate-hearing-begins-in-federal-court-in-new-york-city/34673386 The mistake here,being made, by both the judge and you, is that there was no need for "direct evidence. that implicates Mr. Brady." The level of proof required by the cba is "more likely than not." That standard of proof was met. Hence Brady was proven to have cheated, to the extent required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 We may need a lawyer to give an opinion on this. Double jeopardy, I believe, would be getting tried twice for the same crime. But since this is an appeal, it is the results of the original findings that are being called into question. So this seems more like an extension of the original proceedings, not a new proceeding that might fall under double jeopardy. Dcat is a lawyer and he responded correctly to this earlier in the thread. Double Jeopardy applies in criminal cases only. So, for example, we didn't see the prosecution appealing or otherwise re-trying OJ Simpson after he was acquitted, but we did see him sued -- and found responsible -- in a civil wrongful death suit arising from the same underlying incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaniec Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Case is not about if Brady is guilty or innocent. It is about if the NFL and Goddell have the right to implement these types of decisions and punish. Original Judge said yes in arbitration second Judge in appeal said no. This is about the appeal Thank you Bocajetfan. My response was to Patsfan Tx's comment that says: "Brady will be found innocent again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 What is comical is the Jets are about to play their biggest football game in 6 years, and Jets fans are still crying about a football that was .2 PSI below regulation. That's pretty sad. The Pats would not have been breaking the rules unless people thought it was conferring some advantage to take the risk of doing that. What is comical is the logical Gordian knots that Patriots fans need to twist themselves into in order to try and maintain the facade of honesty here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeezerB Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 The Pats would not have been breaking the rules unless people thought it was conferring some advantage to take the risk of doing that. What is comical is the logical Gordian knots that Patriots fans need to twist themselves into in order to try and maintain the facade of honesty here. Patriot fan here. I've been ridiculed on Patriot boards because I can't get by the text messages between the ball boy and the Equipment manager. Where I disagree with Jets fans is the level of advantage provided. No doubt Brady likes the footballs on the low end of the 12.5 - 13.5 range, maybe even a tick or two under. I don't think anyone gave a sh*t about psi. The NFL wanted qb's to be happy and score more points. After the gas law is applied, it appears the Pats balls were either right at 12.5 or in the 12.2 to 12.4 range. Refs who touched the balls after every play could not notice that the balls were under. The opinion that the balls were so deflated(Morts bogus 2 lbs aka 10.5 report) that the Patriots didn' t fumble and caught the balls easier is complete B.S. If Brady hadn't done the presser where he told the Ravens that they should learn the rule book, this never would have escalated. Brady should have been fined 50K and it should have been over. That being said. Really looking forward to another Jets/Pats playoff meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 The Court is fully aware of the deference afforded to arbitral decisions, but, nevertheless, concludes that the Award should be vacated. The Award is premised upon several significant legal deficiencies, including (A) inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four-game suspension) and his alleged misconduct; (B) denial of the opportunity for Brady to examine one of two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General Counsel Jeff Pash; and (C) denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes. One of the questions raised by Berman during the public meetings was just how much of the four-game suspension was based on the alleged knowledge of ball deflation and how much was based on non-cooperation. Berman never got an answer from the NFL that satisfied his curiosity. Basically - SH*T SHOW from the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 It started way before that; if he hadn't suspended people for what they did outside of the NFL (and become the mad suspender), he might have been taken more seriously when it came to alleged cheating. How many times did he loose on appeal on other issues? My hope was that deflategate would have marked an end to the Goodell administration, but no. And yes, his own stupidity and the laziness and poor work of his legal staff. I think it is more the opposite. One of his problems was that this was the initial suspension for this kind of infraction. They have been sweeping this kind of sh*t under the rug, probably to "protect the integrity of the game" and keep the gamblers happy. If he had done something earlier about deflation stuff Brady would have been on notice. This is part of what Feely was talking to Berman about. Something happened in 2009 with Jets and the equipment guy got in trouble and that was it. Feely described this as something that should maybe be a speeding ticket and the NFL reacted like it was homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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