PatsFanTX Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Are you seriously saying that in a 5 point game that punt which led to an easy TD wasn't a significant play. A missed FG too. Again, there is no single play that occurs early in the 1st quarter that has an impact on the final outcome of a football game. If that shanked punt occurred with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter, you'd have a valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Just now, PatsFanTX said: Again, there is no single play that occurs early in the 1st quarter that has an impact on the final outcome of a football game. If that shanked punt occurred with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter, you'd have a valid point. In a 5 point game that went down to the last play it is a valid point. If Bullock had made that FG then no pass to Decker they go for the 3 and win. But no excuses those picks were key, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: In a 5 point game that went down to the last play it is a valid point. If Bullock had made that FG then no pass to Decker they go for the 3 and win. But no excuses those picks were key, too. how about if Fitz had led us to a TD or a closer FGA? Ivory had the huge run to give us a 1st and 10 at the Buf 22, we didn't gain another yard on 3 straight incomplete passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, nyjunc said: how about if Fitz had led us to a TD or a closer FGA? Ivory had the huge run to give us a 1st and 10 at the Buf 22, we didn't gain another yard on 3 straight incomplete passes. How's about no dropped passes including from Marshall. Or maybe having better coverage from Revis on Sammy Watkins. The players didn't call out their teammates for that L because it was on all of them. But you can start with the Qb first because he handles the ball on almost every O play. Again it was 5 point game and they were in the game until the bitter end. The thing is the Jets just weren't good enough to win six in a row. Most seasons with those 10 Ws they make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: How's about no dropped passes including from Marshall. Or maybe having better coverage from Revis on Sammy Watkins. The players didn't call out their teammates for that L because it was on all of them. But you can start with the Qb first because he handles the ball on almost every O play. Again it was 5 point game and they were in the game until the bitter end. The thing is the Jets just weren't good enough to win six in a row. Most seasons with those 10 Ws they make the playoffs. 5 point game and he threw 3 picks including one in the EZ where a FG takes the lead, you figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: 5 point game and he threw 3 picks including one in the EZ where a FG takes the lead, you figure it out. 2 of those picks were in the last 2 minutes when they trailed. He had to throw the ball into a D playing for the pass and the interception,. The Decker pick was not the worst throw in the history of the NFL. But not a good play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Just now, Rangers9 said: 2 of those picks were in the last 2 minutes when they trailed. He had to throw the ball into a D playing for the pass and the interception,. The Decker was not the worst throw in the history of the NFL. But not a good play. I give him a pass for the last one but the season ender was the first one that was in the EZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, nyjunc said: I give him a pass for the last one but the season ender was the first one that was in the EZ. If other players had played well and made plays and not screwed up they would have won. He kept them in the game and gave the team a chance to win at the end. If you have the ball with 44 seconds you have a chance to win. And if you are trailing by 2 instead of 5 you have a better chance to win. Most coaches will take that on a mediocre day.There was an opening for them to steal that game. But didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Rangers9 said: If other players had played well and made plays and not screwed up they would have won. He kept them in the game and gave the team a chance to win at the end. If you have the ball with 44 seconds you have a chance to win. And if you are trailing by 2 instead of 5 you have a better chance to win. Most coaches will take that on a mediocre day.There was an opening for them to steal that game. But didn't happen. and if he had played even mediocre football we win that game but he was putrid in the biggest game of his life. don't throw the INT in the EZ and we wouldn't have been down 5 late in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Jets coach Todd Bowles said he's done talking about the Ryan Fitzpatrick situation. > http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Bowles thinks Cimini is as unlikeable as I do apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The Buffalo loss was bad, but it came after a five game winning streak. Focusing on that game is cherry picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 -- Todd Bowles finally reached his breaking point with Ryan Fitzpatrick-related questions. At least he waited until the final day of offseason media availability before shutting it down."With all due respect, I'm through talking about Fitz," Bowles said Thursday at the conclusion of the New York Jets' mandatory minicamp. "I'm going to worry about the guys I have on the team. I think I've expressed and said everything about the quarterback that I'm going to say at this standpoint. Until I get to training camp and see what happens, I'm pretty much done talking about it." Bowles' comment came in response to a question about the projected depth chart. A reporter wanted to know if Geno Smith will be the No. 2 quarterback if Fitzpatrick returns. Bowles didn't give a direct answer, except to say Bryce Petty is the current No. 2, behind Smith.The Jets have said repeatedly that Fitzpatrick will be the starter if he re-signs. Barring something dramatic, Smith would be the No. 2, followed by Petty and rookie Christian Hackenberg -- if they retain all four quarterbacks. And that's a definite possibility. Bowles has been receptive to Fitzpatrick-related questions throughout the offseason. This week, he made news by saying there's "no drop-dead deadline" for Fitzpatrick to sign. The next day, he turned up the heat a little by indicating that Fitzpatrick would cost himself the No. 1 job if he doesn't sign by a certain point in training camp. He didn't say when that would be. Bowles also said he would consider adding a veteran quarterback if Fitzpatrick doesn't sign. So, after making a few headlines, Bowles decided to pass when it came to discussing his passers. Bowles will get a six-week break from the media; his next availability will be July 28, the first day of practice in training camp. Guess what? He'll face another barrage of questions if Fitzpatrick still is a free agent. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/60972/jets-coach-todd-bowles-at-his-fitz-end-no-more-qb-questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: and if he had played even mediocre football we win that game but he was putrid in the biggest game of his life. don't throw the INT in the EZ and we wouldn't have been down 5 late in the game. Putrid is reserved for Mark Sanchez. Even Geno except for one game was never putrid. There is no way that Fitz was putrid in that game. He wasn't good for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 19 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Putrid is reserved for Mark Sanchez. Even Geno except for one game was never putrid. There is no way that Fitz was putrid in that game. He wasn't good for sure. please don't bring up QBs that actually helped us win. In 6 road PLAYOFF games sanchez threw a total of 3 INTs, in that one game at Buffalo against dead, mediocre Bills team fitz threw 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 12 minutes ago, nyjunc said: please don't bring up QBs that actually helped us win. In 6 road PLAYOFF games sanchez threw a total of 3 INTs, in that one game at Buffalo against dead, mediocre Bills team fitz threw 3. There was nothing putrid by Fitz in that performance. Bad, ok, but not putrid and he did some good things and showed leadership.The team came from behind and came close to winning. Again you only show the Best of Mark Sanchez and never the flip side which is enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: There was nothing putrid by Fitz in that performance. Bad, ok, but not putrid and he did some good things and showed leadership.The team came from behind and came close to winning. Again you only show the Best of Mark Sanchez and never the flip side which is enormous. Mark had plenty of putrid performances, mostly when his primary WR was Chaz Schilens not Brandon Marshall but he was never as bad as Fitz in a playoff type game(meaning an actual playoff game or an actual win and in game). Call it what you want but Fitz was awful in Buffalo, he played scared, he allowed the wind to get in his head and he was the biggest culprit as far as costing us a playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 22 hours ago, Savage69 said: Kicker Doug Brien knows how this feels the Offense scored 0 points in the 2004 Pitt playoff game but he got blamed for blowing it.. Therefore all we needed to do was draft a kicker and then...SUPERBOWL!!! This f***ing franchise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 hours ago, kelly said: Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Jets coach Todd Bowles said he's done talking about the Ryan Fitzpatrick situation. > http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets Then he's not welcome on JetNation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 hours ago, kelly said: Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Jets coach Todd Bowles said he's done talking about the Ryan Fitzpatrick situation. > http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets Hopefully the Jets are done with Ryan Fitzpatrick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Therefore all we needed to do was draft a kicker and then...SUPERBOWL!!! This f***ing franchise... at least we didn't draft him in the first round like was rumored at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nyjunc Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 18 hours ago, Big Blocker said: The Buffalo loss was bad, but it came after a five game winning streak. Focusing on that game is cherry picking. the 5 game win streak became meaningless once we lost to Buffalo. Not to mention we beat mostly bad teams(struggled in a few) and the one good team we beat didn't play/act like themselves. they were basically handing us the game and we still nearly blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: the 5 game win streak became meaningless once we lost to Buffalo. Not to mention we beat mostly bad teams(struggled in a few) and the one good team we beat didn't play/act like themselves. they were basically handing us the game and we still nearly blew it. I thought it was a good run. We just didn't have the talent to win 11 games and 6 in a row. As for the opponents they were all NFL teams the last I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: I thought it was a good run. We just didn't have the talent to win 11 games and 6 in a row. As for the opponents they were all NFL teams the last I heard. except we DID have the talent, we just didn't do it thanks, in large part, to the QB. yes we played NFL teams but mostly bad ones. Miami- was brutally bad, they fired their coach during the season that's how bad they were. NYG- awful team, they fired a 2 time SB winning coach that's how bad they were Ten- do we need to discuss the 3 win Titans? Dal- after 2-0 start they would win 2 of their last 14 games including a tight game to us w/ the immortal Matt Cassell and kellen Moore at QB. NE- the lone good team but they weren't playing ell and weren't playing like themselves. when do they ever sit on the clock w/ 2 mins left? when do they sit on the clock w/ any time left? they had the ball at their 16 w/ 1:53 and 2 TOs, an eternity for Brady. More than an eternity. they had enough time to not think FG but think TD. It was a TD game at that point, 10-3. Let's contrast that w/ the 2011 game at home. we had just scored a TD to take a 9-6 lead w/ 1:20 to play and 1 TO for NE at their 20. did they sit on the ball? Nope, in just over a minute(1:03 to be exact) they went down the field and scored a TD but here they were w/ almost a minute more and they didn't even try to get to FG range? oh and then w/ the new OT rules they decided to kick off to us in OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 25 minutes ago, nyjunc said: except we DID have the talent, we just didn't do it thanks, in large part, to the QB. yes we played NFL teams but mostly bad ones. Miami- was brutally bad, they fired their coach during the season that's how bad they were. NYG- awful team, they fired a 2 time SB winning coach that's how bad they were Ten- do we need to discuss the 3 win Titans? Dal- after 2-0 start they would win 2 of their last 14 games including a tight game to us w/ the immortal Matt Cassell and kellen Moore at QB. NE- the lone good team but they weren't playing ell and weren't playing like themselves. when do they ever sit on the clock w/ 2 mins left? when do they sit on the clock w/ any time left? they had the ball at their 16 w/ 1:53 and 2 TOs, an eternity for Brady. More than an eternity. they had enough time to not think FG but think TD. It was a TD game at that point, 10-3. Let's contrast that w/ the 2011 game at home. we had just scored a TD to take a 9-6 lead w/ 1:20 to play and 1 TO for NE at their 20. did they sit on the ball? Nope, in just over a minute(1:03 to be exact) they went down the field and scored a TD but here they were w/ almost a minute more and they didn't even try to get to FG range? oh and then w/ the new OT rules they decided to kick off to us in OT. If you want to make excuses (or apologies) for winning games you can. I enjoyed all ten of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: If you want to make excuses (or apologies) for winning games you can. I enjoyed all ten of them. so excuses only matter when we lose? you know like it was the punter's fault, if our WR caught that one in a million catch in the last seconds we would have won, our best player dropped passes, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: so excuses only matter when we lose? you know like it was the punter's fault, if our WR caught that one in a million catch in the last seconds we would have won, our best player dropped passes, etc... Yeah, it's only the Qbs fault unless his name is Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Yeah, it's only the Qbs fault unless his name is Sanchez. Sanchez didn't need excuses in big games, he stepped up and he never had a Brandon Marshall to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 According to Adam Schefter, the New York Jets are starting to plan for life without Ryan Fitzpatrick, creating a contingency plans in case they are unable to reach a contract agreement before the season starts."They have discussed contingency plans in the event that Ryan Fitzpatrick doesn't take the offer — 3-years, $24 million — that has been on the table," Schefter said on SportsCenter. "That tells you that the Jets are not completely convinced that Fitzpatrick will wind up being in the fold." Without Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith is the starter, for now, with Bryce Petty and rookie Christian Hackenberg competing for the backup role. However, Schefter noting that there are multiple plans suggests that the Jets could still bring in another quarterback that is not currently on the roster.Now, knowing Jets fans, the simple fact that this is an actual thing will bring back bad memories. Geno Smith has always been a much-maligned figure in New York sports for various reasons. Simply put, he's not so popular. Couple this with the fact that Fitzpatrick is coming off the best season of his career and many people, both experts and fans alike, have been calling for the Jets to re-sign him. Unfortunately, it hasn't been easy, mainly because the negotiating process of formulating a new contract hasn't featured too much negotiation so far. The current offer of 3 years, $24 million is the same one the Jets initially offered to Fitzpatrick. Obviously, the two sides are at a standstill: Fitzpatrick doesn't like the deal and the Jets won't try to appeal to his better sentiments. Fortunately for Jets fans, Schefter says that most people in the NFL still expect the deal to get done eventually, but for the moment, the news that the Jets are even floating the idea of not having Fitzpatrick should worry some people. Hopefully, the two sides are able to figure out some sort of compromise so the Jets can enter next season at full strength. > https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/york-jets-ryan-fitzpatrick-still-210800904.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 22 hours ago, Rangers9 said: There was nothing putrid by Fitz in that performance. Bad, ok, but not putrid and he did some good things and showed leadership.The team came from behind and came close to winning. Again you only show the Best of Mark Sanchez and never the flip side which is enormous. But Sanchez won when it counted most in the playoffs . Fitz's biggest game in his career and he comes up small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said: But Sanchez won when it counted most in the playoffs . Fitz's biggest game (s) in his career and he comes up small. Fitz has had several opportunities to make the playoffs in his career and has shlt the bed every time. I cant believe we have fans that hang on him like he is Joe Montana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 23 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: I cant believe we have fans that hang on him like he is Joe Montana. Please link all these comments likening Fitz to Montana. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just now, Warfish said: Please link all these comments likening Fitz to Montana. Thanks. he said they hang on him like he was Joe Montana so you won't find any comments likening Fitz to Montana in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 How's about no dropped passes including from Marshall. Or maybe having better coverage from Revis on Sammy Watkins. The players didn't call out their teammates for that L because it was on all of them. But you can start with the Qb first because he handles the ball on almost every O play. Again it was 5 point game and they were in the game until the bitter end. The thing is the Jets just weren't good enough to win six in a row. Most seasons with those 10 Ws they make the playoffs. Let's see, so far you have blamed (excuses) the following for the Jets loss in week 17: -punter shanking a punt in the first 5 minutes of the game. -the Jets best WR (Marshall) dropping passes. -Revis getting totally burned by Watkins. -$hitty game plan by Bowles. -Mo being invisible. -Ivory not doing anything. Even with all that, the Jets would have won the game if it wasn't for their QB throwing 3 INT's in the final 8 minutes. You really need to wake up and smell the coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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