~ ~ " Jets' 2012 draft class.. wiped out " ~ ~

[kelly]

Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer 

This is hard to believe, but the Jets' 2012 draft class has been wiped out. LB Demario Davis (Browns) and S Antonio Allen (Texans) signed free-agent deals today, meaning no one from the eight-man draft class remains on the Jets' roster. Wow.

 

>  http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

[kelly]

Jets closed the book on the failed draft class of 2012 yesterday

The players chosen in the 2012 NFL Draft should be hitting their prime right now.But for the New York Jets, the good news was the last of them hitting the door yesterday, as the departures of Demario Davis andAntonio Allen brought an end to one of the sorriest chapters of recent draft history.As noted by Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the entire eight-man draft class of former General Manager Mike Tannenbaum is now comprised of alleged players who can describe themselves as former Jets.

The top two picks in that infamous draft were already gone, as the Jets parted ways with first-round defensive end Quinton Coples and second-round wideoutStephen Hill previously. Coples just signed with the Rams, while Hill has been spinning wheels in Carolina, spending a year on the practice squad and last year on IR.Davis was a solid player in the third round, but far from the Bart Scott replacement they envisioned. Josh Bush went on to win a Super Bowl ring as a reserve with the Broncos, but the other three men drafted that spring are out of the league (Terrance Ganaway, Robert T. Griffin and Jordan White).

While there’s a new G.M. and a new coach since that class of mistakes, it does present a challenge new Jets G.M. Mike Maccaganan, as it left with with a thin roster in desperate need of affordable depth.

>    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/17/jets-closed-the-book-on-the-failed-draft-class-of-2012-yesterday/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

[Freemanm]

Thanks Tanny. The only move that surpassed your 2012 draft picks on the stupidity scale was trading for Tim Tebow and his hefty salary when your team needed OLs and was already cap-strapped. What impact did Tebow have again? Wait, did he even play?

[section314]

Same thing for 09 and 10, right? 

[sourceworx]

It's funny how Tanny's first draft in '06 was so good, and they progressively got worse as the years went on.  The 2010 and 2012 drafts were just God-awful.

[Ex-Rex]

Tannenbaum proved his worth as a personnel guy was zero. I can only hope he brings the same oversized ego and lack of knowledge to Miami and tear them down for a decade or so. Between him and Rex neither one had a clue what a great player looked like. They went on the measureables and probably did little in the way of film work. That is how you find great players....you watch film of how they played, who they played and when they excelled. Those two together were probably the laziest combo of HC and GM anywhere.

[section314]

3 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

It's funny how Tanny's first draft in '06 was so good, and they progressively got worse as the years went on.  The 2010 and 2012 drafts were just God-awful.

You know the old saying  'even a stopped clock is right twice a day." 

[southparkcpa]

4 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

It's funny how Tanny's first draft in '06 was so good, and they progressively got worse as the years went on.  The 2010 and 2012 drafts were just God-awful.

When he had REX as his sounding board vs Mangini? Still, we are reeling from the Gholsten pick as well.

Our drafts over the last 8 years suck.  

[Ex-Rex]

6 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

It's funny how Tanny's first draft in '06 was so good, and they progressively got worse as the years went on.  The 2010 and 2012 drafts were just God-awful.

That draft brought Mangold and Ferguson and was run by Dick Haley and Terry Bradway. Tannenbaum took over in 2007 with Revis and Harris. Four good to great players, but hardly a bonanza of guys that stick for years. Eric Smith was a dud, Brad Smith could never find a position, Leon Washington was a special team star, but the Jets draft history is spotty at best.

[sourceworx]

3 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

When he had REX as his sounding board vs Mangini? Still, we are reeling from the Gholsten pick as well.

Our drafts over the last 8 years suck.  

Absolutely. 

[Freemanm]

11 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

That draft brought Mangold and Ferguson and was run by Dick Haley and Terry Bradway. Tannenbaum took over in 2007 with Revis and Harris. Four good to great players, but hardly a bonanza of guys that stick for years. Eric Smith was a dud, Brad Smith could never find a position, Leon Washington was a special team star, but the Jets draft history is spotty at best.

Another brilliant move-He let Brad Smith walk and got nothing in return, even though Smith was probably the best special teams player in Jets history

[kelly]

6 minutes ago, section314 said:

You know the old saying  'even a stopped clock is right twice a day." 

[KRL]

21 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

It's funny how Tanny's first draft in '06 was so good, and they progressively got worse as the years went on.  The 2010 and 2012 drafts were just God-awful.

I have to give credit to Mangini for the 2006 & 2007 drafts.  It's been proven Tannenbaum is all about the

flash, Mangini was such a control freak he probably ran those drafts

[Integrity28]

18 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

It's funny how Tanny's first draft in '06 was so good, and they progressively got worse as the years went on.  The 2010 and 2012 drafts were just God-awful.

I hated Mangini, but I genuinely believe that he had good perspective on what to look for in a football player. I think he helped Tanny early. I'd also argue that taking Brick and Mangold were no-brainers and the two draftpicks that extended Tanny's job-lifeline for years.

Tanny got worse at drafting when Rex was hired, because Rex is a mess, and the Jets bottomed the **** out when Rex got paired with Idzik. Literally two people that should never, ever have input into roster decisions... and they were in charge of the Jets for 2 ******* years. Enough to bottom out.

The fact we were competitive last year is sort of amazing.

I called this out yesterday in another thread. We have 5 guys from the least 4 years of drafting that are "starters" for us.

[kelly]

The Jets closed a sad and embarrassing chapter Wednesday when the Last of the Mohicans from the brutal 2012 draft class officially cut the cord with the franchise. Free agents Demario Davis and Antonio Allen signed elsewhere, leaving a grand total of zero players from the eight plucked by then-GM Mike Tannenbaum four years ago.There are no free lunches amid the cutthroat win-now culture of the NFL, but you couldn’t help but feel some sympathy for Mike Maccagnan. The draft is supposed to be the core of your team. Maccagnan, frankly, inherited a roster with little depth thanks to poor choices in recent drafts.

The Jets are a win-now team, but Maccagnan’s challenge — to re-stock the guts of the roster — is infinitely more difficult because of the organization’s prior errors.The John Idzik 12 of 2014 made for a horrific display of scouting with many culprits, including the erstwhile GM, but the 2012 draft class was equally as damaging for the current regime. The ramifications have been far-reaching.Maccagnan built up so much goodwill in his first year on the job that his Q-rating is likely higher than the current New Jersey governor. Maccagnan is smart enough to know that kind of popularity will be fleeting if he doesn’t maintain the level of success he has already achieved.

Davis, who signed a two-year, $8 million deal with the Browns, and Allen, who will play for the Texans in 2016, were the final two players from the Egregious Eight.Todd Bowles gave Davis every opportunity to excel in his scheme, but the inside linebacker never proved his worth. The old regime drafted him in the third round from Arkansas State hoping that he would eventually replace Bart Scott. At the time, one member of the organization told me that Davis would prove to be “the steal of the draft.”Time, however, revealed that Davis was not the impact player that the team hoped he’d be. His sideline-to-sideline speed and athleticism were supposed to be his strength, but that never translated on the field. Davis was routinely beaten in coverage by tight ends and running backs for four years.

Not long after the draft, Rex Ryan likened Davis’ leadership qualities to all-time great Ray Lewis, which did more harm than good.Davis desperately tried to assume that role, and although some of the younger players (such as 2012 classmate Josh Bush) turned to him for guidance, there were veterans that frowned upon the notion of an unproven player acting like something he was not. Davis simply wasn’t producing enough on the field to act like a leader, they thought. He lost the respect of some players and coaches by throwing Ryan’s coaching staff under the bus after a road loss in 2014.

In the end, Davis’ subpar play doomed him. Bowles slowly took snaps away until he was in a full-fledged rotation. The Jets never had serious interest in retaining him. A change of scenario was best for both sides.“I feel like if I play at the highest level I can,” Davis told the Browns website, “I can really be one of the best in the game.”Allen never stood a chance with the new regime after suffering a season-ending Achilles injury during the first week of training camp. The seventh-round pick from South Carolina was an asset due to his versatility, but a strategic error born out of desperation did him in.

Idzik’s refusal to give Ryan NFL-caliber cornerbacks during the 2014 offseason necessitated a (temporary) position change for Allen. Ryan ostensibly switched Allen to cornerback because he was “a baller,” as Ryan used to say, but the truth was that he was out of options after a thin cornerback unit got thinner due to injuries.Allen flashed briefly, but ultimately struggled at his new position.

The Egregious Eight, of course, were highlighted by Quinton Coples, who was cut after Week 11 and briefly landed in Tannenbaum’s waiting arms in Miami before signing a two-year deal with the Rams on Wednesday, and bust wide receiver Stephen Hill.Bush won a Super Bowl ring as a passenger with the Broncos, but nobody else from that draft class — which also included Terrance Ganaway, Robert T. Griffin (no, not RG3) and Jordan White — is currently employed by the NFL.The Jets are getting literally nothing from a draft class that is only four years old. Couple that with the big whiff of 2014 and the difficulty in reloading this roster comes into focus.

So, it’s fair to feel sorry for Mike Maccagnan, for at least one day.

>     http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-finally-erase-terrible-2012-draft-class-article-1.2567300

[jmat321]

Well this is a GM that allowed his HC to draft a fullback based on said fullback making one block on film and allowed his QB to make a 7th round pick for his HS buddy.  Couple red flags when looking back.

[PatsFanTX]

And you guys say the Pats don't know how to draft.

Over the last 15 years, the Jets have been the worst drafting team in the NFL.

How many of those 13 draft picks from a couple years ago are still playing and contributing for the Jets?

[HessStation]

In contrast to the Super Bowl champion Broncos, who, without a first round pick that year, drafted pro bowl caliber players, Derek Wolfe in the 2nd, Malik Jackson in the 5th and Danny Trevathan in the 6th, along with now franchise QB Osweiler in the 2nd and a very productive Ronnie Hillman in the 3rd. 

 

Granted the Broncos haven't been able to attain a lot of their players either but for very different reasons. Stark contrast in talent evaluation. 

 

[Mainejet]

Is it any wonder that this team sucked so bad when their draft class was basically useless except for a few good seasons from Demario Davis? Rex had NOTHING to work with. I'm sorry but that falls on the GM. We had two consecutive USELESS GM's and it cost this team big time.

[Mainejet]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

And you guys say the Pats don't know how to draft.

Over the last 15 years, the Jets have been the worst drafting team in the NFL.

How many of those 13 draft picks from a couple years ago are still playing and contributing for the Jets?

It's true they don't.

[PatsFanTX]

It's true they don't.

Let's see what Mac does this year.

This is a very deep draft this year in rounds 2-5.

Jets need to draft contributors, not development players, in those rounds.

[Jet Nut]

Sad for Tanny but the biggest contribution he will bring to the Jets will be running the Fins into the ground

[kelly]

Abracadabra ... pfft!

The New York Jets made an entire draft disappear.

In a span of a few hours on Wednesday, the Jets lost linebacker Demario Davisand safety Antonio Allen to free-agent deals elsewhere, leaving no players on the roster from their eight-man draft class in 2012. In this case, eight wasn't nearly enough. The '12 draft will go down in history as an epic failure even for a franchise known for its draft clunkers. Vernon Gholston, anyone?

The Jets' brass fell in love with Quinton Coples' measurables, ignored reports of his bad motor, and took him in the first round in 2012

Some drafts -- the great ones, anyway -- can feed a team for a decade. The '12 draft had a shelf life as long as that of a one-term president. Several teams messed up that year -- it was hardly a vintage crop of college players -- but only three have nothing to show for it: the Jets, New York Giants and San Francisco 49ers.The key to building a championship-caliber team is drafting well and signing your best picks to second contracts. Since 2010, the Jets have signed only two players to second deals -- running back Bilal Powell and wide receiver Jeremy Kerley (since released). Their best draft pick in recent years, defensive endMuhammad Wilkerson, played out his rookie contract and is stuck with the franchise tag.

Poor drafts from previous administrations is the reason the Jets' roster is top heavy with older, expensive players. It's the reason they lack depth. It's the reason they have major salary-cap issues.Ideally, they should've culled three or four starters from the 2012 draft, core players who should be in the prime of their careers. Instead, it's a dry well. The general manager was Mike Tannenbaum, who was fired after the season. His scouting director was Joey Clinkscales, who left a month after the draft for theOakland Raiders. He was smart; he got out of Dodge before it was too late.

The Tannenbaum-Clinkscales tandem drafted well in 2006 and 2007, but it became fixated on the measurables -- height, weight, speed, etc. They undervalued intangibles such as competitiveness and work ethic, and they miscalculated on potential scheme fit.Take first-round pick Quinton Coples, for instance. They fell in love with his size (6-foot-6, 285 pounds) and athleticism, ignoring his reputation for having a notoriously bad motor. He also was considered a tweener in Rex Ryan's 3-4 scheme. No matter; they picked him 16th overall.

He was released last season.

In the second round, they picked wide receiver Stephen Hill even though he made only 49 catches in college, played in a triple-option offense and suffered from concentration lapses. Heck, they actually traded up for him. Why? He's 6-4, ran a sub-4.4 40-yard dash at the scouting combine and showed up for his pre-draft visit in a business suit. Clinkscales did him no favors by comparing his measureables to those of Calvin Johnson.

He was released in 2014.

In the third round, the Jets picked Davis, a serviceable starter under Ryan who didn't impress the current coaching staff. Allen was a nice value in the seventh round, contributing as an occasional starter, but he tore an Achilles last season. Another seventh-rounder, wide receiver Jordan White, couldn't stay healthy and caught only one pass. A couple of sixth-round picks, running back Terrance Ganaway and guard Robert Griffin, never made it out of training camp.

On a positive note, the draft produced one Super Bowl ring. Safety Josh Bush, a sixth-rounder, caught on with the Denver Broncos last season in a backup role.

From a leaguewide perspective, the 2012 draft was mediocre at best, but there was talent to be had. While the Jets mostly whiffed with Coples, Hill and Davis -- the 16th, 43rd and 77th picks, respectively -- the Seattle Seahawks came away with Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson with the 15th, 47th and 75th picks.

Now that's real magic.

>     http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59089/jets-2012-draft-eight-picks-all-goners-a-scouting-nightmare

[Bruce Harper]

I laughed my ass off when the Fins hired Tannenbaum.  You would think this stuff wasn't public record.

[sourceworx]

23 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

And you guys say the Pats don't know how to draft.

Over the last 15 years, the Jets have been the worst drafting team in the NFL.

How many of those 13 draft picks from a couple years ago are still playing and contributing for the Jets?

Just because we say the Pats don't draft well doesn't mean we think the Jets do.  Both teams are bad at it.  The difference is your QB makes up for it.  We don't have that luxury.

[Bruce Harper]

From a leaguewide perspective, the 2012 draft was mediocre at best, but there was talent to be had. While the Jets mostly whiffed with Coples, Hill and Davis -- the 16th, 43rd and 77th picks, respectively -- the Seattle Seahawks came away with Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson with the 15th, 47th and 75th picks.

And I was among those mocking them for the Irvin pick.  Good thing I don't do this for a living.

[kelly]

3 hours ago, PatsFanTX said:

And you guys say the Pats don't know how to draft.

Over the last 15 years, the Jets have been the worst drafting team in the NFL.

How many of those 13 draft picks from a couple years ago are still playing and contributing for the Jets?

in 2001, drew bledsoe got hurt.. his Back-up came in...

 

 

Drew

[PatsFanTX]

in 2001, drew bledsoe got hurt.. his Back-up came in...

 

 

Drew

Kelly, something is wrong.

There is no article attached to your post.

[kelly]

2 hours ago, PatsFanTX said:

Kelly, something is wrong.

There is no article attached to your post.

ooops !.. sorry, how 'bout a pic...

  

 

 

cheers ~ ~

 

[kelly]

4 hours ago, kelly said:

Abracadabra ... pfft!

The New York Jets made an entire draft disappear.

In a span of a few hours on Wednesday, the Jets lost linebacker Demario Davisand safety Antonio Allen to free-agent deals elsewhere, leaving no players on the roster from their eight-man draft class in 2012. In this case, eight wasn't nearly enough. The '12 draft will go down in history as an epic failure even for a franchise known for its draft clunkers. Vernon Gholston, anyone?

The Jets' brass fell in love with Quinton Coples' measurables, ignored reports of his bad motor, and took him in the first round in 2012

Some drafts -- the great ones, anyway -- can feed a team for a decade. The '12 draft had a shelf life as long as that of a one-term president. Several teams messed up that year -- it was hardly a vintage crop of college players -- but only three have nothing to show for it: the Jets, New York Giants and San Francisco 49ers.The key to building a championship-caliber team is drafting well and signing your best picks to second contracts. Since 2010, the Jets have signed only two players to second deals -- running back Bilal Powell and wide receiver Jeremy Kerley (since released). Their best draft pick in recent years, defensive endMuhammad Wilkerson, played out his rookie contract and is stuck with the franchise tag.

Poor drafts from previous administrations is the reason the Jets' roster is top heavy with older, expensive players. It's the reason they lack depth. It's the reason they have major salary-cap issues.Ideally, they should've culled three or four starters from the 2012 draft, core players who should be in the prime of their careers. Instead, it's a dry well. The general manager was Mike Tannenbaum, who was fired after the season. His scouting director was Joey Clinkscales, who left a month after the draft for theOakland Raiders. He was smart; he got out of Dodge before it was too late.

The Tannenbaum-Clinkscales tandem drafted well in 2006 and 2007, but it became fixated on the measurables -- height, weight, speed, etc. They undervalued intangibles such as competitiveness and work ethic, and they miscalculated on potential scheme fit.Take first-round pick Quinton Coples, for instance. They fell in love with his size (6-foot-6, 285 pounds) and athleticism, ignoring his reputation for having a notoriously bad motor. He also was considered a tweener in Rex Ryan's 3-4 scheme. No matter; they picked him 16th overall.

He was released last season.

In the second round, they picked wide receiver Stephen Hill even though he made only 49 catches in college, played in a triple-option offense and suffered from concentration lapses. Heck, they actually traded up for him. Why? He's 6-4, ran a sub-4.4 40-yard dash at the scouting combine and showed up for his pre-draft visit in a business suit. Clinkscales did him no favors by comparing his measureables to those of Calvin Johnson.

He was released in 2014.

In the third round, the Jets picked Davis, a serviceable starter under Ryan who didn't impress the current coaching staff. Allen was a nice value in the seventh round, contributing as an occasional starter, but he tore an Achilles last season. Another seventh-rounder, wide receiver Jordan White, couldn't stay healthy and caught only one pass. A couple of sixth-round picks, running back Terrance Ganaway and guard Robert Griffin, never made it out of training camp.

On a positive note, the draft produced one Super Bowl ring. Safety Josh Bush, a sixth-rounder, caught on with the Denver Broncos last season in a backup role.

From a leaguewide perspective, the 2012 draft was mediocre at best, but there was talent to be had. While the Jets mostly whiffed with Coples, Hill and Davis -- the 16th, 43rd and 77th picks, respectively -- the Seattle Seahawks came away with Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson with the 15th, 47th and 75th picks.

Now that's real magic.

>     http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59089/jets-2012-draft-eight-picks-all-goners-a-scouting-nightmare

ooops,.. missed the title...

Jets' 2012 draft: Eight picks, all goners -- a scouting nightmare

 

 

~ ~ sorry 'bout that  

 

[LIJetsFan]

1 hour ago, PatsFanTX said:

Let's see what Mac does this year.

This is a very deep draft this year in rounds 2-5.

Jets need to draft contributors, not development players, in those rounds.

I think the idea of rookie contributors is overstated.  Rookies need time in the weight and conditioning room to get their body up to NFL standards.  I suppose it is position dependent as well since often RB's for example can contribute right away.

Mauldin started to contribute in the 2nd half of the season.  I suppose that is all you can realistically expect.  The draft is for building depth (outside the 1st round) not for

  

[EM31]

8 hours ago, Freemanm said:

Thanks Tanny. The only move that surpassed your 2012 draft picks on the stupidity scale was trading for Tim Tebow and his hefty salary when your team needed OLs and was already cap-strapped. What impact did Tebow have again? Wait, did he even play?

He won the back of the tabloids for a little while though

[kelly]

General managers like to say it takes a few years before you can evaluate a draft class. Well, the verdict is in on the Jets’ 2012 class: It stunk.

After linebacker Demario Davis signed with the Browns and safety Antonio Allen signed with the Texans on Wednesday, there are no players left on the Jets from that eight-man class. The Jets now have just two picks on their roster from the 2008-12 drafts combined. Just 2011 picks Muhammad Wilkerson and Bilal Powell remain. That explains a lot about the Jets’ issues in recent years.Davis signed a two-year, $8 million contract with Cleveland, that includes $4 million in guaranteed money, according to a source. Allen received a one-year deal from Houston. The Jets had interest in bringing Allen back, but the Texans beat them out.

That completes the departure of the entire 2012 class, the last one former generalmanager Mike Tannenbaum presided over. It is a list that now makes Jets fans cringe.First-round pick Quinton Coples was cut by the team in November after a disappointing 3 ½-year run. Coples signed with the Rams on Wednesday.The Jets took wide receiver Stephen Hill in the second round after trading up to get him. Hill scored four touchdowns in two seasons with the Jets. The team cut him at the end of training camp in 2014.

Davis, a third-round pick, probably had the best Jetscareer of the class. A three-year starter, Davis had some good moments, but struggled in pass coverage. He had a particularly bad 2015 season.He missed a team-high 16 tackles, according to Pro Football Focus. Former coach Rex Ryan compared Davis’ leadership skills to that of legendary Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, a comparison Davis never lived up to.

The Jets had no picks in the fourth round (traded to the Broncos for Tim Tebow) or the fifth round (traded to the Seahawks to move up and get Hill in the second round).In the sixth round, the Jets took safety Josh Bush, running back Terrance Ganaway and tackle Robert T. Griffin. Bush was cut in 2014 and now is on the Broncos. Ganaway and Griffin were both cut at the end of their rookie training camps.Allen, taken in the seventh round, became a contributor for the Jets in 2013, starting nine games before losing his job to Ed Reed. Allen moved to cornerback in 2014 and missed the 2015 season with a torn Achilles tendon.

The last pick of the 2012 draft was wideout Jordan White, who appeared in three games as a rookie before getting cut in 2013.Davis’ departure leaves the Jets with a hole in the middle of their defense.They must find someone to play alongside David Harris at inside linebacker. They still may bring back free agent Erin Henderson, but the Raiders also are interested in him.

>     http://nypost.com/2016/03/16/jets-need-inside-linebacker-after-losing-demario-davis/

[faba]

Well that explains exactly  why we have not built the foundation to have successful seasons

[David Harris]

Russell Wilson. We listened to Bradway for all the sh*tty pics and then didn't listen to him for the one pic that could have redeemed them all.