HighPitch Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 Drafting williams over a qb would be like a guy who owns an anchor factory going over to his competetor up the block, buying his best anchor from him, then dragging it home to his dock where no boat exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 Funny thing is that before this game, not ONE single poster even declared wr a position of need Now suddenly we need a wr in the worst way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 47 minutes ago, HighPitch said: Drafting williams over a qb would be like a guy who owns an anchor factory going over to his competetor up the block, buying his best anchor from him, then dragging it home to his dock where no boat exists Like drafting a D Lineman every year for a team with no offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Mind blowing..... U guys wanting a wr in the first. Why not a dl? Who needs a qb or cb? Not us How many damn first rounders do you want to waste on a cornerback? Screw going for a Julio for once. I'll have another Kyle Wilson or Dee Milliner, please.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 RE drafting almost any position, Take a really good impact, play making player. Leonard Williams was our best D player last year after only a couple years. No one will care three years from now that the jets did not 'need' a Wr if Mike Williams has become a top 4 or 5 Wr in the league. There at this point does not appear to be a top 6 OT on the board so go with a guy that will make friggin plays on either side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 3 hours ago, whodeawhodat said: I felt the same way watching vince young back in the day. carry and will his team to wins over superior powerhouse teams. Watson def played with his hair on fire but the NFL is a totally different animal imo. Very true. NFL is a different game. The question is can he adapt his game to the pro game. He has all the physical tools and is smart too. I'd take a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Stark said: Ill just say what we all know and agree on..... WE NEED A QB..... START DRAFTING QB's UNTIL WE FIND ONE. ...... Watson just put on film 2 of the best games against as close to an NFL Defense as you can get in the biggest game College Football has, if you can get him do it. If you can't get Watson make damn sure you find another QB to bring in here, Mahomes II or whoever. If you told me the jets drafted a LT who was a Brick/Walter Jones clone you could plug in for 3+ yards a pop and lock down the blindside for a decade, I'm fine with that. But if you take ANOTHER defender who is no lock over a dynamic QB, things will get broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 2 hours ago, The Troll said: Screw going for a Julio for once. I'll have another Kyle Wilson or Dee Milliner, please. yes - a deja vu of either of these worthless sh_trings would be delightful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: I missed the game. Can Robinson play the left side at the next level? I have to agree with"maybe". lol. The first time I watched him, he looked really clumsy in space, and I thought he was just ok. This time I was more comfortable with him. He is a more than fine in 1 on 1 pass rushing situations, and is pretty great in straight line blocking. His seal block to spring scarborough for his 2nd TD was beautiful. He can't get to a LB tho, just not fast enough. There were 1 or 2 plays where he seemed not sure of who to block. Overall I think he would be a really solid pick around 10-15, if the jets trade down I would hope he would be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 8 hours ago, HighPitch said: Drafting williams over a qb would be like a guy who owns an anchor factory going over to his competetor up the block, buying his best anchor from him, then dragging it home to his dock where no boat exists Huh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Anyone else see ex-Jets coach Karl Dunbar last night Alabama DL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 plenty of #4 Jets jerseys already out there and Watson covers Favre Time for Mac to go all in - DW at #6, 4 the win! “Let’s be legendary,” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 20 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Cool. You want to waste his first two years with bad quarterback play, go ahead. Draft him at 6. It's the Jets way. Draft luxury positions in the top ten when they already have 5 young receivers they've invested in. WR should be treated the same as RB not in the first round for a rebuilding team devoid of talent. It makes zero sense. Marshall & Decker won't be here for the ressurection folks. Whether it's Hack or they sign Glennon, you keep picking stars in the making. Leo is the BEST PLAYER on the Jets, thank god we took him, based on who else was available. We're in a rebuild. If Mike Williams is the BPA @ 6 you take him! You cut Marshall & you use his 7.5 million to sure up your Oline. Then if it the 2nd round the BPA is a RB, you take him too, Forte won't be here for the ressurection either. Jets need to put together the TRIFECTA that makes offenses tough to defend. Very good RB, Very good WRs, and hopefully a functioning QB. If you have Mike Williams, Eric Decker, Quincy Enunwa, Robbie Anderson, and backups Peake, Smith & Jalin Marshall, you add an awesome young RB in the 2nd round, whoever plays TE is going to be open. Cut the dead weight & sign Bouye @ CB, and a stopgap LT until the 2018 draft. You win some games 31-28 while your offense is growing up together. You finish your defensive pcs in Rounds 3/4 & 2018. * I don't think Jet fans realize that just by cutting the veterans who we didn't get anything from anyway might be close to 65 million in cap space if we cut Brandon Marshall too. Plus, zero dead cap in 2018. BIG 2 years coming up for the Jets, and if they have the balls, Jet fans have to stomach the cuts too. I think most knowledgable Jet fans are on board for a huge overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 12 hours ago, Larz said: I have to agree with"maybe". lol. The first time I watched him, he looked really clumsy in space, and I thought he was just ok. This time I was more comfortable with him. He is a more than fine in 1 on 1 pass rushing situations, and is pretty great in straight line blocking. His seal block to spring scarborough for his 2nd TD was beautiful. He can't get to a LB tho, just not fast enough. There were 1 or 2 plays where he seemed not sure of who to block. Overall I think he would be a really solid pick around 10-15, if the jets trade down I would hope he would be there. Is he productive as a pass blocker - at that lower level - because he's talented or because he's technically sound? It sounds like the latter. The Giants made that mistake with Flowers. Speaking in relative terms, it was easy for him to pass block in college compared to the pros. He may never be suited to play LT (play it well, anyway) in the NFL but apparently more than held his own in Miami (as indicated by his high draft slot). LT is one of those positions, for me, that's like a necessary evil in the draft. Not because I don't think the position is valuable; I just think it's overvalued. But it's overvalued to the point where the average starting LT salary is so ridiculous when teams get by with less heralded names plenty often. A bad one is disastrous, but even bad ones can make a ton. A just-ok one, who needs help against certain matchups, can be half (or less than half) of what another just-ok LT makes. One could argue if the doesn't pan out at LT he should make a strong, starting RT for years. But #6 is just preposterously high for a RT. The #6 slot in round 2 might even be high, considering there isn't a (planned) RT making even $7m/yr. So without really watching him myself, I'd say as a RT I still wouldn't touch him (or any RT) at 10-15. It's easily worse value than drafting a guard, by the numbers anyway. A mid-level spend on RT is right around Breno's $4.5m avg, yet "elite" RT money - what Austin Howard got - is still a mere $1.5-2m more 4 yrs later; money which is easily lost in the mix on a ~$170m cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Jetster said: Marshall & Decker won't be here for the ressurection folks. Whether it's Hack or they sign Glennon, you keep picking stars in the making. Leo is the BEST PLAYER on the Jets, thank god we took him, based on who else was available. We're in a rebuild. If Mike Williams is the BPA @ 6 you take him! You cut Marshall & you use his 7.5 million to sure up your Oline. Then if it the 2nd round the BPA is a RB, you take him too, Forte won't be here for the ressurection either. Jets need to put together the TRIFECTA that makes offenses tough to defend. Very good RB, Very good WRs, and hopefully a functioning QB. If you have Mike Williams, Eric Decker, Quincy Enunwa, Robbie Anderson, and backups Peake, Smith & Jalin Marshall, you add an awesome young RB in the 2nd round, whoever plays TE is going to be open. Cut the dead weight & sign Bouye @ CB, and a stopgap LT until the 2018 draft. You win some games 31-28 while your offense is growing up together. You finish your defensive pcs in Rounds 3/4 & 2018. * I don't think Jet fans realize that just by cutting the veterans who we didn't get anything from anyway might be close to 65 million in cap space if we cut Brandon Marshall too. Plus, zero dead cap in 2018. BIG 2 years coming up for the Jets, and if they have the balls, Jet fans have to stomach the cuts too. I think most knowledgable Jet fans are on board for a huge overhaul. Lots here that's either wrong or highly debatable. I just have a hard time investing a first round pick in a position like WR or RB when the most important positions on this team have little to no talent. We're just going to have to disagree on how you build a successful team because our versions aren't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Lots here that's either wrong or highly debatable. I just have a hard time investing a first round pick in a position like WR or RB when the most important positions on this team have little to no talent. We're just going to have to disagree on how you build a successful team because our versions aren't even close. It really depends. If Mike Williams is the best player on the board when the Jets pick it's hard to pass up on him. I'd have to make that pick and cut Marshall, if he isnt cut already by that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 10 hours ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: plenty of #4 Jets jerseys already out there and Watson covers Favre Time for Mac to go all in - DW at #6, 4 the win! “Let’s be legendary,” Makes me think, if I ever buy a Jersey NEVER get it with the players name on it. *shelf life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 4 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said: It really depends. If Mike Williams is the best player on the board when the Jets pick it's hard to pass up on him. I'd have to make that pick and cut Marshall, if he isnt cut already by that point. Thank you for backing me a up a bit. Carl wants us to draft another safety or reach for a LT. Because picking Milliner, Pryor has really helped the Jets. Of course if Watson drops & Macc doesn't have faith in his 2nd round pick Hackenberg, then be my guest, WE NEED TO HAVE A QB, or if Macc thinks Cooks or Fournette are BPA, go for it. What would Winston be without Mike Evans snagging his passes? Jameis just throws the ball up to him. Would Dak be doing as well with out Zeke? We need to create an offense that SCORES POINTS. The offenses that the Pats stymie SUCK! Jets, Texans, Broncos. When they played a great QB (Wilson) & a good defense they lost. There just aren't many complete teams that have a great QB & at least an above average defense (The Pats). Chiefs have Alex Smith (average), good defense, Steelers have Big Ben, slightly below average defense with a bad secondary. Let's start accumulating some star players like Leo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 3 hours ago, HessStation said: Makes me think, if I ever buy a Jersey NEVER get it with the players name on it. *shelf life Damn I have to remove this 'I Revis' tattoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Damn I have to remove this 'I Revis' tattoo! Sucks for Rex that Sánchez wasn't the next Aaron Rogers. OMG, Ozzie Newsome knew exactly why he hired Harbaugh & not Rex Ryan. I'm positive Ozzie didn't look upon Rex as a great decision maker,lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Is he productive as a pass blocker - at that lower level - because he's talented or because he's technically sound? It sounds like the latter. The Giants made that mistake with Flowers. Speaking in relative terms, it was easy for him to pass block in college compared to the pros. He may never be suited to play LT (play it well, anyway) in the NFL but apparently more than held his own in Miami (as indicated by his high draft slot). LT is one of those positions, for me, that's like a necessary evil in the draft. Not because I don't think the position is valuable; I just think it's overvalued. But it's overvalued to the point where the average starting LT salary is so ridiculous when teams get by with less heralded names plenty often. A bad one is disastrous, but even bad ones can make a ton. A just-ok one, who needs help against certain matchups, can be half (or less than half) of what another just-ok LT makes. One could argue if the doesn't pan out at LT he should make a strong, starting RT for years. But #6 is just preposterously high for a RT. The #6 slot in round 2 might even be high, considering there isn't a (planned) RT making even $7m/yr. So without really watching him myself, I'd say as a RT I still wouldn't touch him (or any RT) at 10-15. It's easily worse value than drafting a guard, by the numbers anyway. A mid-level spend on RT is right around Breno's $4.5m avg, yet "elite" RT money - what Austin Howard got - is still a mere $1.5-2m more 4 yrs later; money which is easily lost in the mix on a ~$170m cap. Again if you can plug in Brick, Larry Allen or Walter Jones for a decade of 3+ yards a pop and zero headaches on your blind side, a primo LT is worth it. More than a safety fr sure. Have no idea if there is going to be such an animal at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 40 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Damn I have to remove this 'I Revis' tattoo! I've seen some really BAD tattoos on Instagram this year. That's be tops of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Bugg said: Again if you can plug in Brick, Larry Allen or Walter Jones for a decade of 3+ yards a pop and zero headaches on your blind side, a primo LT is worth it. More than a safety fr sure. Have no idea if there is going to be such an animal at 6. My concern was more that he might not be suited to be a LT at the pro level. There's little to dispute that an outstanding LT is better than a bust QB (or a friggin safety). We don't know these are the outcomes yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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