Kapernick: a way out

[CrazyCarl40]

19 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

ok, so another mediocre backup type who doesn't bring a circus.  this proves nothing w/ kaep.  why isn't Manziel signed? why isn't RG III signed?  it's not just about talent, if it was kaep would be a backup somewhere.

RGIII has injury concerns. Manziel has off the field issues. Neither one is as talented as Kap either. Nice talking points though you keep repeating. 

[CrazyCarl40]

19 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Afte McNair’s Statements, getting Kaepernick would be sniggered at

Wow. 

[ScarletKnight89]

33 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

The Texans just signed Josh Johnson. He hasn’t attempted a pass in the NFL in 6 years. Stop it. 

Again. That means nothing. The Texans can sign whoever they want. The only reason Bob McNair needs for not signing Kaepernick is that he doesn't like him. If that's his stance. That's fine. That's not collusion.

That may be a crappy way to build a team but that's not against any league rules. An owner doesn't have to pay someone he doesn't want to pay when that player is a Free Agent.

[UnitedWhofans]

4 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Wow. 

That’s actually a word. 

[CrazyCarl40]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

That’s actually a word. 

I’m aware. Just not one that’s commonly used, like ever. 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

I’m aware. Just not one that’s commonly used, like ever. 

My Anglophile coming out

[CrazyCarl40]

2 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Again. That means nothing. The Texans can sign whoever they want. The only reason Bob McNair needs for not signing Kaepernick is that he doesn't like him. If that's his stance. That's fine. That's not collusion.

That may be a crappy way to build a team but that's not against any league rules. An owner doesn't have to pay someone he doesn't want to pay when that player is a Free Agent.

It means a lot. If you can’t see the correlation, then this is a wasted conversation. 

[BrickTamland]

Did this guy get a book deal yet?

It would get him money and something else to do. He’d get his attention and then it might wane down

[ScarletKnight89]

4 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

It means a lot. If you can’t see the correlation, then this is a wasted conversation. 

No. It doesn't mean anything. You can't force owners to sign players. The Texans aren't your team, it's Bob McNair's team. If he doesn't want a certain player on his team for whatever the reason may be, he doesn't have to sign him. He has that right.

Your argument is based completely off of emotion. You think Kaepernick should be playing and is better than some guys so you assume people should hand him a job. It doesn't work that way.

Chad Johnson was cut by the Dolphins a few years ago, he never got another job in the NFL again even though he wanted one. Teams didn't want to deal with him and he was on the decline. Was he better than some 5th stringer on most teams? I'm sure he was. Doesn't mean teams are going to sign him though.

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sports GM's, more than any other profession, talk to each other about players and tend to be pretty truthful.  They do this because they know there's a lot of turnover in front office positions, so they're all kind of in it together.  One day you might need to ask the other GM on the phone for a job with their org. 

So while no team is "forced" to sign someone, teams absolutely can be telling other teams not to sign guys for a multitude of reasons.  If teams are basically telling each other "This guy is good enough to be a backup but you shouldn't sign him because of his stance on social issues and its bad for the league and our ratings" that would be a problem, and not a simple matter of a GM making a decision based on his team's "culture".   Obviously, a GM could sign a guy no matter what other GM's are saying, but if everyone is saying the same thing and encouraging each other not to sign him, that's very clearly collusion. 

Not saying it's what's going on for sure, but we have to recognize that the NFL is uniquely different from most professions.  They're 32 franchises, but they share revenue streams and depend on each other.  So the potential for collusion is always there. 

No doubt, if the NFL agreed as a whole not to hire someone, that is problematic. If they did that, and there is a trail, they are absolutely stupid. It happened in baseball, so the precedent is there.

It will be difficult to prove though. KP has not helped in making himself marketable.

Bigger problem is the chasm gets wider between players and ownership, and the sport is headed toward a possible work stoppage as the current pact expires.

 

 

 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

No doubt, if the NFL agreed as a whole not to hire someone, that is problematic. If they did that, and there is a trail, they are absolutely stupid. It happened in baseball, so the precedent is there.

It will be difficult to prove though. KP has not helped in making himself marketable.

Bigger problem is the chasm gets wider between players and ownership, and the sport is headed toward a possible work stoppage as the current pact expires.

 

Kaep definitely isn't "marketable", but with how bad Green Bay has looked under Hundley, I still think that could be a landing spot for him IF there isn't collusion going on.  Kaep did state that he won't be kneeling anymore, as the conversation has moved towards actually doing something about the issues off the field, for whatever its worth.

Yes, the NFL might lose the upper hand with the NFLPA if they keep going in the direction they're going.  It's true that the players don't have other options; it's not like they can go play in Europe.  But something has to give.  Between the concussions and now this, the players are getting angrier by the day. 

[NoBowles]

29 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Kaep definitely isn't "marketable", but with how bad Green Bay has looked under Hundley, I still think that could be a landing spot for him IF there isn't collusion going on.  Kaep did state that he won't be kneeling anymore, as the conversation has moved towards actually doing something about the issues off the field, for whatever its worth.

Yes, the NFL might lose the upper hand with the NFLPA if they keep going in the direction they're going.  It's true that the players don't have other options; it's not like they can go play in Europe.  But something has to give.  Between the concussions and now this, the players are getting angrier by the day. 

The players should worry more about how they and the owners are ruining the game...

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

I saw McCarthy a few weeks ago when Rodgers went down at a presser when asked about it get really pissed off at the reporter and basically said NO WAY. I don't know how deeply the NFL owners want to go on this. There is a lawsuit filed by Kap and his lawyer Mark Garregos and they are looking for documents, records. And testimony. And actively going after about ten owners to prove they conspired to keep Kap out of the league. So do they really want their personal and professional lives scrutinized like this just to keep one guy they don't like out of the NFL. You'd think the logical thing to do would be to allow him to sign with somebody. 

 

But his backup QB craps the bed every time out, and he is about to watch his otherwise pretty good playoff ready team not make the playoffs at all. Same thing with the Texans. 

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

RGIII has injury concerns. Manziel has off the field issues. Neither one is as talented as Kap either. Nice talking points though you keep repeating. 

we are talking backup QBs, his injury concerns mean very little.  signing one of these guys will not determine the season for any team and RGIII is more talented than Kaep.  he just didn't have the luxury of Harbaugh and that incredible Niners team.  he led a much weaker skins team to the playoffs though.  keep is an average at best QB, not a difference maker and he brings a Manziel-like distraction to whatever team would sign him.  If a playter is worth the distraction any team will sign him, if it was Russell Wilson or Cam newton they would have been signed in 2 seconds but it's Colin kaepernick who is a mediocre QB that has done nothing w/o Harbaugh and a loaded team.

[nyjunc]

13 minutes ago, Bugg said:

But his backup QB craps the bed every time out, and he is about to watch his otherwise pretty good playoff ready team not make the playoffs at all. Same thing with the Texans. 

maybe their season is going down the drain but if keep was there do we think it would be any different? Kaep is not a good QB and he'd be coming in midseason learning a new system.  People that think this mediocre QB can step in and be a difference maker for a team haven't watched him play in recent years(and also ignore all his off field issues not related to the protest).

[CrazyCarl40]

5 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

we are talking backup QBs, his injury concerns mean very little.  signing one of these guys will not determine the season for any team and RGIII is more talented than Kaep.  he just didn't have the luxury of Harbaugh and that incredible Niners team.  he led a much weaker skins team to the playoffs though.  keep is an average at best QB, not a difference maker and he brings a Manziel-like distraction to whatever team would sign him.  If a playter is worth the distraction any team will sign him, if it was Russell Wilson or Cam newton they would have been signed in 2 seconds but it's Colin kaepernick who is a mediocre QB that has done nothing w/o Harbaugh and a loaded team.

It’s not a backup we’re talking about though. Kap is a starting level talented quarterback that could right now step in and be better than a number of teams current options.  

[nyjunc]

Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

It’s not a backup we’re talking about though. Kap is a starting level talented quarterback that could right now step in and be better than a number of teams current options.  

he's a backup QB in this league, his days as a starter are over.  He's won 3 games as a starter the last 2 seasons.  he makes no sense for any team looking for a QB b/c he is not worth the circus that will come with him. 

[CrazyCarl40]

Just now, nyjunc said:

he's a backup QB in this league, his days as a starter are over.  He's won 3 games as a starter the last 2 seasons.  he makes no sense for any team looking for a QB b/c he is not worth the circus that will come with him. 

Josh McCown was 2-20 before this season. Record isn’t really a reflection in this case. Your points are as flaccid as this conversation. 

[nyjunc]

7 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Josh McCown was 2-20 before this season. Record isn’t really a reflection in this case. Your points are as flaccid as this conversation. 

Yep and his 4 wins(w/ a team that was expected to win 1-2) are more than keep post Harbaugh. 

McCown was brought in as a vet stopgap, one that could mentor young QBs.  Kaep isn't mentoring anyone other than Shaun King(the bad one).

Colin Kaepernick had a nice run for a year and a half w/ a great HC and a loaded roster around him.  since that roster started being dismantled and the coach left he's been awful.  the NFL is about winning, teams will hire anyone if they think that player can help them win.  Kaep is not a difference maker and he's made some awful choices off the field.  The owners of the 32 teams have every right not to sign him and have been wise not to sign him.

[JetFaninMI]

2 hours ago, BigO said:

So because he stands up, or rather kneels down,to bring notice to a social dilemma in this country, he’s toxic. Sounds like a convulted country that condones unnecessary force against its citizens. That is of course if blacks are considered citizens ?

While kneeling was part of his baggage everyone is losing sight of the fact that the man was benched for his play. He was then beaten out for the starting job way before he even thought of taking that famous knee. Lets not lose sight of the fact that Kaepernick was not singled out for his "protest" and even played some after it. He was not benched for it nor was he released for it. When was the last time he played on the pro level? He hasn't played in an NFL game for what 2 years? Even if a team did sign him the season is past the  half way point. The time it would take him to get in football shape,learn a new offense and contribute meaningfully would take too long. Maybe in the off-season he gets a shot but now? No.

[Charlie Brown]

The NFL has handled this all wrong IMO.

First they let an individual protest of modest impact become a cause celeb in the sports world.  Why.. Why.. Why.....?????????

Even if you agree with Kap 100% from the NFLs perspective it sin't smart for business because it takes the focus off of the game.  Let's face it football is a great game for those of us who like it but but for those who don't or who are indifferent they see big violent men getting paid a lot of money; that is all and all of the pink ribbons in the world wont fundamentally change that...

The NFL could have done a simple thing, whether rightly or wrongly; they could have asked the TV networks who are seeing diminishing revenue not to cover it.  Yep stop covering it but the NFL thought the pub would be good initially but now they can't stop it.  Had the followed my tack; it would have been seen as a quirky thing not some guy being Jackie Robinson.....

But guess what the NFL can't..... because every cause and their grandmother is now being supported. The embedding with he military is now reached unheard of proportions..... From child awareness to anti bullying the NFL wants to falsely appeal to everybody and they can't so they should stop.

In their rush to be liked they brought political issues into the fore and now they look hypocritical for saying that this issue or that issue shouldn't be discussed.

And before someone says they had to "cover" it, I would proffer the fact that there are scores of stories that are not fully covered that should be covered such as asset forfeiture, anal cavity searches being done for routine traffic violations, forced blood drawings, folks being arrested for not tipping, the rise of essentially debtors prisons and on and on, none of which gets fully covered IMO. AT the end of the day choosing to cover something or not is a choice and one that NFL partners should cover wisely.

Second in their rush to be on the right side of issues the NFL doesn't know what the hell they are doing.  They must stand firm and hold that due process, as far as their rules and regulations go will be adhered to and not be so dam arbitrary that no one, I mean no one knows what the hell they are doing.  They mustn't burn tapes, or claim that they are entertainment and hence it doesn't matter if they are rigged or not, or have bizarre calls no one can explain.

Third and finally they have to realize that every time they focus on something outside of the game they lose and find ways to bring back the hard core fan who was always driving up revenue dollars and not the the casual fan who simply attends a SB party.

[Savage69]

2 hours ago, harts724 said:

Fk Kaep, Fk his pig sox, Fk his Castro shirt and Fk his bitch of a girlfriend!

She is the one behind all this crap..

[HighPitch]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

Do you honestly believe there wasn't collusion? or are you just playing devils advocate 

 

Yes i do. I believe any team thats wants to sign him can.

 

I believe nobody wants him due to the distraction and the anti-american sentiment that comes with it.

 

there is no conspiracy

[BigO]

3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

he kneeled for his perception of things and read my last post why he doesn't have a job.  it's not b/c of the protest of his perceptions, it's for many other reasons.

Yea ok sure

[BigO]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

1) When he first knelt there was no definition as to why he was kneeling, still to this day we have some kind of ultra vague 'social injustice/dilemma' comments coming out that means zero without real state problems and goals as to how to remedy these problems.

2)  There is one reason that the NFL exists as an entertainment medium, it is for 3 hours on a weekend to take us all away from the social dilemmas that we face 24/7 through the rest of our lives.

3) The premise that you win hearts and minds by annoying the hell out of people is faulty and simply creates more division.  The national anthems for sporting events have traditionally been a way to honor fallen soldiers of the past present and future and also in some degree for present day 1st responders.   When I task my hat off and stand for the anthem at sporting events I am doing so in part for my three uncles killed in WW2 and other relatives such as my nephew who did a our in Afghanistan.

When people are kneeling at the point in time not before a game with teammates, not after a game in a prayer circle but right at the anthem it is trying o put one cause above a tribute in a most selfish action.

People trying to make this back and white thing fools.

As for the kneelers?  Total free country they can kneel all hey want but I have just as much right to blast them for doing so.

At this point I'd be fine with getting rid of the anthems totally.  Then you can kneel any time you want.

 

 

Spin it any way you want. I could care less what you think in how you want to discolor his stance. I’m looking at the facts jack. As a kid in grammar school we used to pledge allegiance to the flag and it was in honor of ALL this country stands for - JUSTICE and LIBERTY for ALL - even you. 

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Yet the Fabricator uses deflection as a means to discredit the NFL players’ voice against racial discrimination. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Why doesn’t Godell just suspend all BLACKS all WHITES....ALL who kneel. They can then grange the name to the WSL. 

[Irish Jet]

CASTRO

[CrazyCarl40]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

Yep and his 4 wins(w/ a team that was expected to win 1-2) are more than keep post Harbaugh. 

McCown was brought in as a vet stopgap, one that could mentor young QBs.  Kaep isn't mentoring anyone other than Shaun King(the bad one).

Colin Kaepernick had a nice run for a year and a half w/ a great HC and a loaded roster around him.  since that roster started being dismantled and the coach left he's been awful.  the NFL is about winning, teams will hire anyone if they think that player can help them win.  Kaep is not a difference maker and he's made some awful choices off the field.  The owners of the 32 teams have every right not to sign him and have been wise not to sign him.

In 12 games in his last year with nothing around him he had a 90+ QB rating with a 16TD-4INT ratio. Your argument holds zero water. You don’t like him. I get it. But for you to spout off claims that can easily be trounced by cold, hard numbers is just ridiculous. 

[Matt39]

4 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

NFL Lawyers: They have no basis for their claim.

Kaep’s Lawyer: Your honor, we’d like to submit into evidence Josh Johnson. 

NFL Lawyers: Can we talk settlement?

 

lol

[BigO]

6 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

His side still needs to prove collusion. It's one thing to claim it, another to actually prove it.

He’d be the starter in this team and numerous others - in other words COLLUSION 

[Matt39]

Just now, BigO said:

He’d be the starter to n I his team and numerous others - in other words COLLUSION 

Thank you Roy Bean.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, NoBowles said:

The players should worry more about how they and the owners are ruining the game...

Why should the players worry about that?  And what can they do about it anyways?  It's the league that needs to adjust, not the players.  The players are the product.  

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Why should the players worry about that?  And what can they do about it anyways?  It's the league that needs to adjust, not the players.  The players are the product.  

Players pissing off the fans is probably bad.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Players pissing off the fans is probably bad.

Ratings were dropping for the league long before Colin Kaepernick took a knee.  

[BigO]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Players pissing off the fans is probably bad.

Ahhh I reckon you want them to kiss your booty - how sweet. 

[Matt39]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Ratings were dropping for the league long before Colin Kaepernick took a knee.  

The NFL has a bunch of problems. Kneeling for the anthem obviously isnt going to help matters.