Philc1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Dcat said: then he'll love Burton who will be every bit as productive or more than ASJ at the same or lower price. Graham will be way overpriced. He may have had 10 TDs for Seattle this year, but they have to be the quietest TDs ever. He only had 6 TDs for Seattle in 2016 and a measly 2 TDs in 2015. His Brees days are long gone. He is ALWAYS a health risk as well. Not worth the money. Graham has had one significant injury his entire career. A 6’7 tight end with good hands will be Kirk Cousins’ best friend in the redzone. Jets need to make it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Why do we need to sign a TE? Leggett,Sterling,Tomlinson. You answered your own question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Graham has had one significant injury his entire career. A 6’7 tight end with good hands will be Kirk Cousins’ best friend in the redzone. Jets need to make it happen He's had 1 significant injury? what about the 100+ nagging little ones that keep him from producing? 2 Tds in 2015. 6 in 2016. Last year was the anomaly in Seattle. Burton would be just as productive and probably more at a fraction of Graham's overblown cost. Burton is younger too. Only 26. Graham will be 32 this fall. Waste of money. Get an edge rusher and Olinemen with all that FA money. No need to waste it on an overrated 32 year old TE who is always banged up. Burton had 5 TDs and he was the backup to Ertz. In the games where Ertz was out due to injury, he produced. Think of what he could do as the #1 TE here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, Philc1 said: You answered your own question don't underestimate Sterling. He's better than ASJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 ASJ is a solid young TE, would be a smart signing before he hits Free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 you guys are all fcked. JAX should be doing everything in their power to ditch Bortles and sign Cousins. Unreal that i'm reading pro-Bortles posts. Unreal... And how fitting is it that we finally start to get some traction at TE and you jackals want to ditch him and sign Trey Burton, who couldn't block a corpse. Seriously, most of the posters in here i love and respect, but you guys woke up on the mentally disabled side of the bed. We're not ditching ASJ for a guy who's had 47 back surgeries and a guy who can't play 1/2 the position... what you CAN do, is resign Jenkins AND Burton, because they serve two completely different functions... That's like saying, why would I want AJ Green when I've got Landry?.... maybe cause they play two entirely different positions at WR? Shame on all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 54 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Why do we need to sign a TE? Leggett,Sterling,Tomlinson. Career totals 26/312/1TD. Seems like a good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: you guys are all fcked. JAX should be doing everything in their power to ditch Bortles and sign Cousins. Unreal that i'm ready pro-Bortles posts. Unreal... And how fitting is it that we finally start to get some traction at TE and you fcking jackals want to ditch him and sign Trey Burton, who couldn't block a corpse. Seriously, most of the posters in here i love and respect, but you guys woke up on the mentally disabled side of the bed. We're not ditching ASJ for a guy who's had 47 back surgeries and a guy who can't play 1/2 the position... what you CAN do, is resign Jenkins AND Burton, because they serve two completely different functions... That's like saying, why would I want AJ Green when I've got Landry?.... maybe cause they play two entirely different positions at WR? Shame on all of you. I like the idea of keeping ASJ. I'm not paying him $6M per though. N-O-T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: you guys are all fcked. JAX should be doing everything in their power to ditch Bortles and sign Cousins. Unreal that i'm ready pro-Bortles posts. Unreal... And how fitting is it that we finally start to get some traction at TE and you fcking jackals want to ditch him and sign Trey BurtonA, who couldn't block a corpse. Seriously, most of the posters in here i love and respect, but you guys woke up on the mentally disabled side of the bed. We're not ditching ASJ for a guy who's had 47 back surgeries and a guy who can't play 1/2 the position... what you CAN do, is resign Jenkins AND Burton, because they serve two completely different functions... That's like saying, why would I want AJ Green when I've got Landry?.... maybe cause they play two entirely different positions at WR? Shame on all of you. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I like the idea of keeping ASJ. I'm not paying him $6M per though. N-O-T. good thing it's not coming out of your pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Paradis said: you guys are all fcked. JAX should be doing everything in their power to ditch Bortles and sign Cousins. Unreal that i'm ready pro-Bortles posts. Unreal... And how fitting is it that we finally start to get some traction at TE and you fcking jackals want to ditch him and sign Trey Burton, who couldn't block a corpse. Seriously, most of the posters in here i love and respect, but you guys woke up on the mentally disabled side of the bed. We're not ditching ASJ for a guy who's had 47 back surgeries and a guy who can't play 1/2 the position... what you CAN do, is resign Jenkins AND Burton, because they serve two completely different functions... That's like saying, why would I want AJ Green when I've got Landry?.... maybe cause they play two entirely different positions at WR? Shame on all of you. How many cups of coffee do you drink and how long do you spend stuck in traffic on your way to work in the morning needing to take a piss. I refuse to believe this board really pisses you off that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Dcat said: Trey Burton instead of ASJ. Better hands. I don't think ASJ will ever learn how not to bobble the ball. Burton looks solid. Graham would cost too much and he is no longer the productive TE he was when with Brees. Too much cost for the risk there. Plus I hear Burton can throw the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dcat said: don't underestimate Sterling. He's better than ASJ. And that’s saying something? ASJ is an average player and I’m being nice saying that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I like the idea of keeping ASJ. I'm not paying him $6M per though. N-O-T. Jeez Louise stop reminding me Macagnan is the GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Well Cousins to Jax isn’t happening because Borrles just had surgery making his 2018 salary guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, JiF said: Loaded roster. Best owner in the league. Father is a Pastor in Orlando. Tom Coughlin Jax would be hard to pass on but I just dont see how they can work him into their salary cap. They've got a lot of money hitting the books over the next 2 years and probably 5-6 players they need to highly consider resigning. They would have to sacrifice the roster talent depth to accommodate Cousins. After you finally saw Bortles come in to his own after watching him flail for 3 seasons. I was thinking the same thing. Cousins would be a great fit in JAX, but how can they work him into their cap situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Jenkins on a good offense with a good QB would put up some pretty decent numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Paradis said: you guys are all fcked. JAX should be doing everything in their power to ditch Bortles and sign Cousins. Unreal that i'm reading pro-Bortles posts. Unreal... And how fitting is it that we finally start to get some traction at TE and you fcking jackals want to ditch him and sign Trey Burton, who couldn't block a corpse. Seriously, most of the posters in here i love and respect, but you guys woke up on the mentally disabled side of the bed. We're not ditching ASJ for a guy who's had 47 back surgeries and a guy who can't play 1/2 the position... what you CAN do, is resign Jenkins AND Burton, because they serve two completely different functions... That's like saying, why would I want AJ Green when I've got Landry?.... maybe cause they play two entirely different positions at WR? Shame on all of you. ASJ is not a great blocker. Maybe better than Burton at blocking, sure, but we wouldn't be bringing Burton in for that role. ASJ can't hold onto the ball. I want a receiving TE with capable hands. That's NOT ASJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, Paradis said: you guys are all fcked. JAX should be doing everything in their power to ditch Bortles and sign Cousins. Unreal that i'm reading pro-Bortles posts. Unreal... And how fitting is it that we finally start to get some traction at TE and you fcking jackals want to ditch him and sign Trey Burton, who couldn't block a corpse. Seriously, most of the posters in here i love and respect, but you guys woke up on the mentally disabled side of the bed. We're not ditching ASJ for a guy who's had 47 back surgeries and a guy who can't play 1/2 the position... what you CAN do, is resign Jenkins AND Burton, because they serve two completely different functions... That's like saying, why would I want AJ Green when I've got Landry?.... maybe cause they play two entirely different positions at WR? Shame on all of you. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Dcat said: ASJ is not a great blocker. Maybe better than Burton at blocking, sure, but we wouldn't be bringing Burton in for that role. ASJ can't hold onto the ball. I want a receiving TE with capable hands. That's NOT ASJ. Sorry, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te Don't care. He's a baller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Paradis said: Sorry, you're wrong. nope. I'm right. See I can argue like you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Just now, Dcat said: nope. I'm right. See I can argue like you too. no you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 ASJ will have a good to great year next year depending on the QB. Morton wasn't just fired for clashing with coaches and players. The perception was that everyone other than Robby was an afterthought in the game plan. I'm sure Bates will look to get Jenkins rolling throughout the year. Anyone who says ASJ isn't a hot commodity simply doesn't know what they're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pac said: ASJ will have a good to great year next year depending on the QB. Morton wasn't just fired for clashing with coaches and players. The perception was that everyone other than Robby was an afterthought. I'm sure Bates will look to get Jenkins rolling throughout the year. Anyone who says ASJ isn't a hot commodity simply doesn't know what they're talking about. Too bad he can't catch. ASJ = Mr. Bobbles. But just maybe they will revamp the "catch rules" and save ASJ's career. That's what ASJ needs to become competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Just now, Dcat said: Too bad he can't catch. ASJ = Mr. Bobbles. Sorry, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, The Crusher said: How many cups of coffee do you drink and how long do you spend stuck in traffic on your way to work in the morning needing to take a piss. I refuse to believe this board really pisses you off that much. I think you're taking my tone to be far more serious than intended. This is message board. I'm just shooting the poop. If i really disagree, i'll chuck a few f*cks in there. But I hardly get out of my seat... also, you're hypersensitized to my posts being aggressive, so you look for that and find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dcat said: Too bad he can't catch. ASJ = Mr. Bobbles. But just maybe they will revamp the "catch rules" and save ASJ's career. That's what ASJ needs to become competent. oh my god, boohoo for you. He dropped a couple passes, with bullsh*t ref'ing. Of course we'd all prefer to have him caught those, but you've reduced his entire playing career of catching passes like a boss, down to a few untimely drops. Get a tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Just now, Paradis said: oh my god, boohoo for you. He dropped a couple passes, with bullsh*t ref'ing. Cry me a fcking river. Of course we'd all prefer to have him caught those, but spare the judge jury act that you've reduced his entire playing career of catching passes like a boss, down to a few untimely drops. Get a tissue. LOL. The meds are in full bloom with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Paradis said: good thing it's not coming out of your pocket. I'd give $3M to Ed Dickson well before I would give ASJ $5M 15 minutes ago, prime21 said: Jenkins on a good offense with a good QB would put up some pretty decent numbers. Dude is no Cameron Brate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, JiF said: I think it's different for every QB but in Bortles case specifically, he was a project to begin with, so you had to be willing to deal with his high and lows. Which the Jags did and benefited from doing so. He didnt come out as a polished passer, he even admits he's not a natural thrower of the Football even to this day. Plus, when they drafted him, their OL was terrible for the first few years. They did do a good job of giving him some WR's yet often injured but he was handing off to Denard Robinson, Toby Gerhart and Jordan Todman. Now the OL is better, the run game was #1 in the league and he balled out in Dec/Jan. That's a tough one, man. You put up with all the warts and then he finally seems to put it together and then you kick him to the curb for a super high priced FA that will most certainly impede your ability to keep the roster talent at the current level. I'd probably stick with Bortles. Jax doesn’t have much of an option. Bortles wrist surgery makes him uncuttable without Jax being responsible for the 5th yr option @ 19 mil. Even if they were to split the dead money up 2-3 yrs, in a sense would be like paying Cousins 6-9 mil extra each year...yikes! https://www.google.com/amp/thebiglead.com/2018/02/05/how-blake-bortles-surgery-forced-jaguars-to-commit-to-him/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dcat said: LOL. The meds are in full bloom with this one. In all seriousness, with how the position been an issue for us - I'm absolutely resigning ASJ. He needs to take another step forward in 2018, work on his focus - but i'm not walking away from our only productive TE in the last 7-8 years. Cmon... "Austin, we're gonna go ahead and meet terms with your agent. What i expect from you in return is to clean up your game some. Work with some trainers, don't want to see you gas again in December. lets get that focus back. Too many drops as the year went on"... etc That's what will happen in the real world. Might not be popular in pseudo-forum reality, but that's what how it should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Philc1 said: For Cousins? What are they going to do with Tannehill and his contract? From what I understand if they cut him they won't be on the hook for his 19m as per miami media talking heads. They are also going to release some of their aging overpaid defenders. If they don't they will definitely be looking for a QB in the draft and they pick at 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, FTL Jet Fan said: From what I understand if they cut him they won't be on the hook for his 19m as per miami media talking heads. They are also going to release some of their aging overpaid defenders. If they don't they will definitely be looking for a QB in the draft and they pick at 11. Cousins is coming here or the Vikings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Paradis said: In all seriousness, with how the position been an issue for us - I'm absolutely resigning ASJ. He needs to take another step forward in 2018, work on his focus - but i'm not walking away from our only productive TE in the last 7-8 years. Cmon... "Austin, we're gonna go ahead and meet terms with your agent. What i expect from you in return is to clean up your game some. Work with some trainers, don't want to see you gas again in December. lets get that focus back. Too many drops as the year went on"... etc That's what will happen in the real world. Might not be popular in pseudo-forum reality, but that's what how it should go. He's had years to learn how to improve his catching. It hasn't happened. What in the world leads you to believe that this coaching staff can coach him up? Sorry, I trust neither ASJ nor the Jets coaching staff to be able to remedy him. He is Mr. Bobbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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