varjet Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 If I am the Jets, when in doubt I would put Mac’s weak draft picks on the Practice Squad and keep players that outperformed them in camp. I don’t see any other teams picking them up, and quite frankly they should have them. Some can go on the Practice Squad after they get off of suspension. Players will get hurt, and they can get another chance when they move up. Donahue-players like Luvu and Copeland are better athletes. Put him on the PS and sort out his suspension. Leggett-Walford outplayed him. Stewart-PS after suspension, unless injuries. See Hansen. Hansen-Outplayed by McBride and Johnson, and Peake and Roberts play specials. This team will lose too many games if the specials are no good. Mauldin-may not be eligible. Burris-he is a safety. Work on that on the PS. Next post-veterans who should be cut with spots saved for players with potential.’ Mac should basically disown his 2015-2017 drafts, throw the scouts under the bus, and focus on creating the best team for Darnold and the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, varjet said: If I am the Jets, when in doubt I would put Mac’s weak draft picks on the Practice Squad and keep players that outperformed them in camp. I don’t see any other teams picking them up, and quite frankly they should have them. Some can go on the Practice Squad after they get off of suspension. Players will get hurt, and they can get another chance when they move up. Donahue-players like Luvu and Copeland are better athletes. Put him on the PS and sort out his suspension. Leggett-Walford outplayed him. Stewart-PS after suspension, unless injuries. See Hansen. Hansen-Outplayed by McBride and Johnson, and Peake and Roberts play specials. This team will lose too many games if the specials are no good. Mauldin-may not be eligible. Burris-he is a safety. Work on that on the PS. Next post-veterans who should be cut with spots saved for players with potential.’ Mac should basically disown his 2015-2017 drafts, throw the scouts under the bus, and focus on creating the best team for Darnold and the fans. You don't have a clue dude. you really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, varjet said: If I am the Jets, when in doubt I would put Mac’s weak draft picks on the Practice Squad and keep players that outperformed them in camp. I don’t see any other teams picking them up, and quite frankly they should have them. Some can go on the Practice Squad after they get off of suspension. Players will get hurt, and they can get another chance when they move up. Donahue-players like Luvu and Copeland are better athletes. Put him on the PS and sort out his suspension. Leggett-Walford outplayed him. Stewart-PS after suspension, unless injuries. See Hansen. Hansen-Outplayed by McBride and Johnson, and Peake and Roberts play specials. This team will lose too many games if the specials are no good. Mauldin-may not be eligible. Burris-he is a safety. Work on that on the PS. Next post-veterans who should be cut with spots saved for players with potential.’ Mac should basically disown his 2015-2017 drafts, throw the scouts under the bus, and focus on creating the best team for Darnold and the fans. Nobody whines as good as a Jets fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 The drafts have been pretty ugly. I’m very high on Darnold, but sometimes I have nightmares about him getting Luck’d. I can’t be the only one who looks at Maccagnan and Bowles and sees Grigson and Pagano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I see most of that happen actually. We’ll find out the next two days. One thing to consider though is that they got out played by other young players. It’s not like McBride, Sterling and Luvu are some old veterans. Bad 3rd day draft picks but he makes up for it by finding young players other GMs give up on or overlook. This to me hasn’t been an issue. The real issue has been not finding impact players at the top of the draft. Hopefully Leo, Darnold, and Adams get there. But that’s what’s holding us back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I would just argue that guys like Donahue, Burris, and Hansen don’t deserve practice squad spots because they’re not going to get any more athletic. You could probably add Leggett to this list, but moreso because it sounds like he simply doesn’t like football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, GreenFish said: I see most of that happen actually. We’ll find out the next two days. One thing to consider though is that they got out played by other young players. It’s not like McBride and Luvu are some old veterans. Bad 3rd day draft picks but he makes up for by finding young players other GMs give up on or overlook. This to me hasn’t been an issue. The real issue has been not finding impact players at the top of the draft. Hopefully Leo, Darnold, and Adams get there. But that’s what’s holding us back. Well the bad day 3 picks are being outplayed by fringe players that aren’t good themselves. So yes Mac “finds” these players but they are not good at all and wouldn’t make another team. It’s “good” for us but bad for a typical team. So he’s “ok” at finding these bubble players. Late round picks(at least some of them) should show enough to fill these spots and be able to contribute on specials themselves. Mac has been atrocious at this. What he is good at is getting those value FA players/trades that without question will make he team (Beachum,Carpenter,Long,McClendon, Safarian-Jenkins,Bridgewater, McCown, Kearse, Pryor, Marshall etc..). There are more too but the list was getting too big. I think this is the only area that he “shines” in besides flexible contracts. I can give the guy credit where it’s due but it’s not enough “good” if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I would just argue that guys like Donahue, Burris, and Hansen don’t deserve practice squad spots because they’re not going to get any more athletic. You could probably add Leggett to this list, but moreso because it sounds like he simply doesn’t like football. I am concerned that Mac puts draft picks on the 53 because they are draft picks. The PS is s middle ground. Hack should have been put on the PS. But yes, you could also argue that these players are hopeless and should be cut outright, Clueless? Of these 5 players not suspended, let’s see who are cut or put on the PS. My guess is 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I would just argue that guys like Donahue, Burris, and Hansen don’t deserve practice squad spots because they’re not going to get any more athletic. You could probably add Leggett to this list, but moreso because it sounds like he simply doesn’t like football. Donahue doesn't belong in the NFL and he won't stay there for long. He is overmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just one example. Hansen. If he's cut,or goes on the practice squad ,it's only because he was outplayed by two guys who were cut by the teams that drafted them. But people here are willing to label players going into their 2nd or third year ,busts. Watch game film on Stewart, when he was with Alabama. He can ball. Your going to label him a bust, going into his 2nd year. He's not going to get that much of chance this year. He's a slot receiver, and Kearse has that locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Next year Macc should think about drafting guys that are good at football. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, genot said: Just one example. Hansen. If he's cut,or goes on the practice squad ,it's only because he was outplayed by two guys who were cut by the teams that drafted them. But people here are willing to label players going into their 2nd or third year ,busts. Watch game film on Stewart, when he was with Alabama. He can ball. Your going to label him a bust, going into his 2nd year. He's not going to get that much of chance this year. He's a slot receiver, and Kearse has that locked up. The Jets have what many people call a bottom 5 talent roster. It's a good spot for a draft pick to come in and when a job. Hansen and Stewart both laid eggs this camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Maxman said: Donahue doesn't belong in the NFL and he won't stay there for long. He is overmatched. Imagine standing by a player with multiple DUIs who got hammered and drove down the wrong tube in the Lincoln Tunnel and that player is as bad as Donahue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, varjet said: If I am the Jets, when in doubt I would put Mac’s weak draft picks on the Practice Squad and keep players that outperformed them in camp. I don’t see any other teams picking them up, and quite frankly they should have them. Some can go on the Practice Squad after they get off of suspension. Players will get hurt, and they can get another chance when they move up. Donahue-players like Luvu and Copeland are better athletes. Put him on the PS and sort out his suspension. Leggett-Walford outplayed him. Stewart-PS after suspension, unless injuries. See Hansen. Hansen-Outplayed by McBride and Johnson, and Peake and Roberts play specials. This team will lose too many games if the specials are no good. Mauldin-may not be eligible. Burris-he is a safety. Work on that on the PS. Next post-veterans who should be cut with spots saved for players with potential.’ Mac should basically disown his 2015-2017 drafts, throw the scouts under the bus, and focus on creating the best team for Darnold and the fans. I'd say Hansen, Stewart and Burris. Everyone else can be let go. I would have liked to see Leggett turn into something but we have Herndon and Sterling looks to be turning into something good, so F that. Maulding just sucks. And Donahue isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Imagine standing by a player with multiple DUIs who got hammered and drove down the wrong tube in the Lincoln Tunnel and that player is as bad as Donahue. So true. I was surprised he didn't get cut when all that happened. It would have been an easy way to send a message to the team to not do stupid stuff. You have to send those messages when bad players do those things LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, varjet said: I am concerned that Mac puts draft picks on the 53 because they are draft picks. The PS is s middle ground. Hack should have been put on the PS. But yes, you could also argue that these players are hopeless and should be cut outright, Clueless? Of these 5 players not suspended, let’s see who are cut or put on the PS. My guess is 4. I guess. It’s my belief that you should use the practice squad for high-level athletes who need to work on technique and/or getting into an NFL nutrition program. Using it to stash nice kids who can’t run is a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Maxman said: The Jets have what many people call a bottom 5 talent roster. It's a good spot for a draft pick to come in and when a job. Hansen and Stewart both laid eggs this camp. It’s like our picks have golden opportunities to stick and win important jobs/roles with the team but they can’t get out of their own way and are so bad that they can’t even flash to secure a spot and beat out scrubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, genot said: Just one example. Hansen. If he's cut,or goes on the practice squad ,it's only because he was outplayed by two guys who were cut by the teams that drafted them. But people here are willing to label players going into their 2nd or third year ,busts. Watch game film on Stewart, when he was with Alabama. He can ball. Your going to label him a bust, going into his 2nd year. He's not going to get that much of chance this year. He's a slot receiver, and Kearse has that locked up. What you see from Stewart’s Alabama film is that he was the third or fourth option in the passing game and can’t move laterally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Imagine standing by a player with multiple DUIs who got hammered and drove down the wrong tube in the Lincoln Tunnel and that player is as bad as Donahue. No place on this team for principal alone. If he was a really good player I’d still be pissed but this is he NFL where character doesn’t matter if you can play. This guy is TERRIBLE though and was another one of Mac’s 75 year old rookies that don’t usually pan out and has peaked before even getting to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Maxman said: So true. I was surprised he didn't get cut when all that happened. It would have been an easy way to send a message to the team to not do stupid stuff. You have to send those messages when bad players do those things LOL. It’s not Bowles’ way. He treats all these players like they’re his children, which is a terrible way to run a professional football team. He can go coach D-III football in Kentucky if he wants to be a father figure to kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, genot said: Just one example. Hansen. If he's cut,or goes on the practice squad ,it's only because he was outplayed by two guys who were cut by the teams that drafted them. But people here are willing to label players going into their 2nd or third year ,busts. Watch game film on Stewart, when he was with Alabama. He can ball. Your going to label him a bust, going into his 2nd year. He's not going to get that much of chance this year. He's a slot receiver, and Kearse has that locked up. Stewart didn’t “ball” with Alabama. He played opposite Calvin Ridley on a run heavy offense featuring Derek Henry. Stewart’s production was a result of opposing defenses scheming to stop Henry and Ridley. Stewart was a 4th or 5th option in that offense and he benefitted from a bunch man coverage from corners who were average college players. He was a poor draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Maxman said: The Jets have what many people call a bottom 5 talent roster. It's a good spot for a draft pick to come in and when a job. Hansen and Stewart both laid eggs this camp. Who would they take jobs from. We're not talking about high round picks here. If Hansen gets beat, it's by someone who multiple teams gave up on. My point being, every team misses on picks .After the 3rd round, it's a crapshoot for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, GreenFish said: I see most of that happen actually. We’ll find out the next two days. One thing to consider though is that they got out played by other young players. It’s not like McBride, Sterling and Luvu are some old veterans. Bad 3rd day draft picks but he makes up for it by finding young players other GMs give up on or overlook. This to me hasn’t been an issue. The real issue has been not finding impact players at the top of the draft. Hopefully Leo, Darnold, and Adams get there. But that’s what’s holding us back. Yeah it’s funny, Mac has been about an average GM, but his biggest weakness, the draft, was supposed to be his strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: What you see from Stewart’s Alabama film is that he was the third or fourth option in the passing game and can’t move laterally. He has good hands, catches the ball in traffic ,and can run after the catch. Just what you want in a slot receiver. To me. I mean,he could bust, but im not gonna write him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, genot said: Just one example. Hansen. If he's cut,or goes on the practice squad ,it's only because he was outplayed by two guys who were cut by the teams that drafted them. But people here are willing to label players going into their 2nd or third year ,busts. Watch game film on Stewart, when he was with Alabama. He can ball. Your going to label him a bust, going into his 2nd year. He's not going to get that much of chance this year. He's a slot receiver, and Kearse has that locked up. This is the issue. The draft pecking order, given value and what they are paid, should be driven by the ability of a player to play right away. The earlier they can contribute, the higher they are picked. Players like Stewart should have been drafted lower and should spend time on the PS. Elflein or Hunt should have been picked there. Stewart could be good long term, but he was drafted too high and needs PS time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Imagine standing by a player with multiple DUIs who got hammered and drove down the wrong tube in the Lincoln Tunnel and that player is as bad as Donahue. He should’ve been cut the day after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, genot said: He has good hands, catches the ball in traffic ,and can run after the catch. Just what you want in a slot receiver. To me. I mean,he could bust, but im not gonna write him off Yeah, no need to write him off, but it’s fair to be a little bit troubled by what you’ve seen so far. I think the fact that they don’t even try him on kick or punt returns is a little odd, too. If he’s not going to contribute at receiver, he’s wasting a roster spot solely because he was a draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 The Jets used to do a decent job of drafting wide receivers. Wesley Walker, Al Toon, Rob Moore, Terrance Mathis, Keyshawn Johnson, Laverneous Coles, Santana Moss and so forth. But since the Tannenbaum era we have absolutely sucked at it. Whoever we have scouting college receivers flat out sucks. Recent draftees have been soft, lousy route runners and unathletic. Maccagnan needs to clean house in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, sec101row23 said: Stewart didn’t “ball” with Alabama. He played opposite Calvin Ridley on a run heavy offense featuring Derek Henry. Stewart’s production was a result of opposing defenses scheming to stop Henry and Ridley. Stewart was a 4th or 5th option in that offense and he benefitted from a bunch man coverage from corners who were average college players. He was a poor draft pick. Search at Bryant-Denny Stadium on November 12, 2016 in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Name: ArDarius Stewart School: Alabama Position fit: Outside WR Stats to know: Averaged 10.7 yards after the catch per reception, second-best among Power-5 wide receivers. What he does best: After-the-catch ability. Stewart is very strong with the ball in his hands. He knows when to make a cut to make a defender miss, but has no problem putting his shoulder down and running through someone. Good speed and excellent acceleration. Very quick feet. Used in screen/jet sweep game a lot because of his ability to get up to top speed almost instantly. Big catch radius. Long arms and good jumping ability, if the ball is anywhere near him that gives him a chance to make the catch. Intelligent player, can recognize zones and knows how to find and settle into open holes. Physical and very willing run-blocker, shows no fear no matter who he’s blocking. Biggest concern: Route-running can be an issue. Sometimes slow out of his breaks, gives them away and can’t create separation on intermediate routes. Has 11 drops over the past two seasons and a few more plays where he didn’t show the strongest hands in contested situations. Body catches more than he should (even though has shown strong hands at times). Runs east-west more than north-south. Sometimes even went backward trying to do too much. Against college defenses this worked more than it didn’t, but it won’t be as easy in the NFL. Played against almost exclusively zone defense, rarely got pressed at the line of scrimmage. May not be able to beat man coverage right off the bat. Struggled to separate against teams like Washington and Clemson and their good corners. Player comparison: Pierre Garcon, San Francisco 49ers Garcon had a very similar profile to Stewart coming into the league. Garcon was a big, fast athlete who could beat teams deep but also did plenty of damage after the catch. Like Stewart, Garcon had little experience against man defense and press coverage, and there were questions about his route-running. Garcon learned more complex routes and how to beat press coverage and became a successful NFL receiver. Time will tell if Stewart can do the same. Bottom line: Stewart is a quietly solid receiving prospect in this draft class. While not at the level of some of the top players, whatever team drafts Stewart will be getting a solid receiver right off the bat. His explosiveness and competitiveness will carry over to the NFL and should allow him to contribute right away, even in a small role. If he can handle press and man coverage and work on running more efficient routes, it wouldn’t be surprising to see Stewart develop into a nice No. 2 receiver in the NFL. Stop it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Name: ArDarius Stewart School: Alabama Position fit: Outside WR Stats to know: Averaged 10.7 yards after the catch per reception, second-best among Power-5 wide receivers. What he does best: After-the-catch ability. Stewart is very strong with the ball in his hands. He knows when to make a cut to make a defender miss, but has no problem putting his shoulder down and running through someone. Good speed and excellent acceleration. Very quick feet. Used in screen/jet sweep game a lot because of his ability to get up to top speed almost instantly. Big catch radius. Long arms and good jumping ability, if the ball is anywhere near him that gives him a chance to make the catch. Intelligent player, can recognize zones and knows how to find and settle into open holes. Physical and very willing run-blocker, shows no fear no matter who he’s blocking. Biggest concern: Route-running can be an issue. Sometimes slow out of his breaks, gives them away and can’t create separation on intermediate routes. Has 11 drops over the past two seasons and a few more plays where he didn’t show the strongest hands in contested situations. Body catches more than he should (even though has shown strong hands at times). Runs east-west more than north-south. Sometimes even went backward trying to do too much. Against college defenses this worked more than it didn’t, but it won’t be as easy in the NFL. Played against almost exclusively zone defense, rarely got pressed at the line of scrimmage. May not be able to beat man coverage right off the bat. Struggled to separate against teams like Washington and Clemson and their good corners. Player comparison: Pierre Garcon, San Francisco 49ers Garcon had a very similar profile to Stewart coming into the league. Garcon was a big, fast athlete who could beat teams deep but also did plenty of damage after the catch. Like Stewart, Garcon had little experience against man defense and press coverage, and there were questions about his route-running. Garcon learned more complex routes and how to beat press coverage and became a successful NFL receiver. Time will tell if Stewart can do the same. Bottom line: Stewart is a quietly solid receiving prospect in this draft class. While not at the level of some of the top players, whatever team drafts Stewart will be getting a solid receiver right off the bat. His explosiveness and competitiveness will carry over to the NFL and should allow him to contribute right away, even in a small role. If he can handle press and man coverage and work on running more efficient routes, it wouldn’t be surprising to see Stewart develop into a nice No. 2 receiver in the NFL.
MDL_JET Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said: The Jets used to do a decent job of drafting wide receivers. Wesley Walker, Al Toon, Rob Moore, Terrance Mathis, Keyshawn Johnson, Laverneous Coles, Santana Moss and so forth. But since the Tannenbaum era we have absolutely sucked at it. Whoever we have scouting college receivers flat out sucks. Recent draftees have been soft, lousy route runners and unathletic. Maccagnan needs to clean house in this area. That's quite the broad range of time you did there. Wouldn't exactly call that a decent job. That's just called investing in an early draft pick. But yeah, we need to look at the Steelers and copy whatever they're doing over there with the WR position because all they do is pump out good WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Yeah, no need to write him off, but it’s fair to be a little bit troubled by what you’ve seen so far. I think the fact that they don’t even try him on kick or punt returns is a little odd, too. If he’s not going to contribute at receiver, he’s wasting a roster spot solely because he was a draft pick Lot of free agents next year at WR. He could be our best friend. Then again, he might not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, genot said: Lot of free agents next year at WR. He could be our best friend. Then again, he might not be. I don’t follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I am thinking that at least 1 of Stewart/Hansen/Peake makes the roster, and it is likely going to be Stewart.my guess would be Stewart. His saving grace is that he is under contract for next season, so I think they keep him around, even if he is 6th on the depth chart and is not expected to contribute much, hoping he can be developed enough to contriubte next season. Stewart, Hansen and Peake are the only WRs under contract for 19. I think this gives them an edge over guys like McBride and Johnson. And I don't get what other see in Johnson, he has done little to nothing all preseason, couple of catches, couple of drops, have not noticed him on Special Teams which is a necessity for 5th/6th WR. I am rooting for McBride ahead of any of these guys, but I am afraid he may be odd man out with Roberts taking a spot as punt returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 If I sound a little bit condescending in some of my posts. Im sorry. That's not how I feel about anyone here. I do believe strongly that Mac is getting a bum wrap, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I don’t follow If we lose Kearse to another team in free agency, i think it's the Jets hope that Stewart can take his place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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