Ralph Vacchiano: Sources: Jets not expected to fire Adam Gase midseason

[Greenseed4]

@Mogglez is it safe to assume, that if you have a source willing to share info with you, that Adam Gase would also be aware that we are speaking to coaching candidates through back channels?

Do you think they’re committed to the tank?

 

[jetscrazey]

The real concern is whether this season is breaking the young players.  If so, and it looks like it, Gase needs to be fired yesterday.  They can go 0-16 with a coach that will at least be better culture-wise.

[Mogglez]

19 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

@Mogglez is it safe to assume, that if you have a source willing to share info with you, that Adam Gase would also be aware that we are speaking to coaching candidates through back channels?

Do you think they’re committed to the tank?

 

I don't believe Adam Gase is under the assumption that he is in any way shape or form "safe".  Also, keep in mind that Todd Bowles was told he would not be returning well before the firing was official.  I haven’t heard that this is case (yet), but it is a possibility.

Furthermore, I know the consensus around here is that a mid-season firing is exactly what Gase deserves, but a lot of those same people, sometimes myself included, forget that there is a human element to all of this.  Coaching prospects do view mid-season firings as a "bad" move.  They like to see that they will be given every last opportunity to turn it around, and they appreciate the comfort of knowing that their families lives won't be absolutely shook, smack dab in the middle of the season.  That's not even getting to the "agent factor".  An agent is supposed to look out for his clients.  If you treat a guy like he's expendable sub-human waste, do you really think an agent is going to recommend more guys to take deals or opportunities with your team, be it coaches, GM candidates, or players???  Surprising as this may be, cutting Le'Veon Bell and moving on, giving him free choice of his next team, instead of trading him to some sh*thole for a 7th, was looked at as a good move within player circles.  They see that as doing right by the guy.  Potential free agents will remember that when taking us into consideration.  Same goes for Steve McLendon.  They traded him to a team of his choice, that happened to also be a legitimate contender.  There is so much more to all of these recent moves, potential moves, and how things were done in the past that affect how an organization is viewed to everyone, whether it be coaching prospects or potential free agents.  It's very easy to get emotional and call for a guy's head from the comfort of a forum.  It's a totally different thing to actually make that call when you know the ramifications it has on their personal life and how you are viewed as an organization.  The Johnson's (and by extension the Jets) have always been viewed as trigger happy and, overall, reactionary.  That has to change.  Joe Douglas, Christopher Johnson, and yes, even Woody Johnson, are aware of that.

Lastly, do I believe they are committed to the tank??  Yes and no.  Does Douglas want to see Sam Darnold play us out of contention for the first overall pick, give him legitimate reasons to believe that he can be a true franchise QB over the course of the second half of the season, and allow him to use his draft capital elsewhere??  Absolutely.  Does he expect that to happen?  Not really, no, and this has him making moves towards the future, now, rather than later.  Moving McLendon allows the younger guys on the DL to get more reps.  He moved Bell because he knew that he had no future here and wanted to get the younger backs some work.  JD, like us, is not thrilled with Gase's usage of Gore and wants to see Perine, in particular, get in on the action.  Bryce Hall will, hopefully, be getting in there sometime in the near future now that they've elevated him.  I'd expect Cameron Clark to get some playing time if Alex Lewis is out an extended period of time.  Joe Douglas also knows that this season is, realistically, over...and right now it's "evalutate the young kids, get a feel for coaching candidates through back channels, and whatever happens, in terms of wins and losses, happens."

[Mogglez]

14 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

The real concern is whether this season is breaking the young players.  If so, and it looks like it, Gase needs to be fired yesterday.  They can go 0-16 with a coach that will at least be better culture-wise.

Like who, Gregg Williams??  I'll tell you right now, the offensive side of the ball didn't appreciate the comments Gregg made the other day and that a**hole, in particular, has been responsible for more finger pointing within the organization than Gase has.

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Like who, Gregg Williams??  I'll tell you right now, the offensive side of the ball didn't appreciate the comments Gregg made the other day and that a**hole, in particular, has been responsible for more finger pointing within the organization than Gase has.

Williams today said that he “loved” Gase. The media has been trying to bait Leveon Bell into ripping Gase and he won’t do it. Same with Robby Anderson. Ryan Tannehill credits Gase for teaching him how to play QB in the NFL. It would appear that the people around Gase respect him and many of them actually like him. The players on the team are aware that Joe Flacco is currently throwing to Jeff Smith right now and that’s the offense. They’re aware that their CBs are street free agent quality. Has the team played like sh*t? Absolutely. But until the players decide that it’s Adam Gase’s fault the team sucks, there’s no internal rationale for firing him. Fans just want heads to roll at this point for entertainment purposes. 
 

All that said, Gase should definitely hand over the play calling to Cooter.

[Jet Nut]

6 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

um ... false?

any team firing hte HC changes off strategy and game plans every week, just like every othe rHC in the league. Every game it is different and the package of plays change, what are you talking about? you literally see this with every single HS replacement. It is because you are replacing he HC who determines the game plan, very simple concept.

Agian not same scheme...and by definition not the same plays, but more importantly in our case not he same play calling...sure we will still have a run up the gut it just wont be the only play called nor called 20 times a game in the least opportune times to run it. 

You do not need an off season to change anything? THIS IS CRAZY THINKING!! Actually NFL quality coaching adapt players strengths nd weakness of the game, literally every week - and get this you can do it no matter who is on your roster - you are allowed too. See herbert, See Mayfield, See Mahomes, See Ryan, See Tennesee, See name every team this year. I'm am trying now to be belligerent but your comments amaze me, you think that well we suck with gase so we just have to remain in the suck. NO YOU DO NOT! We can have another person be the HC tomorrow and that person can call good plays.

This last point might just be your worst, hard to say since the whole thng is ridiculous, but lets just say this last one was you rworst, so if youre a decent, no if you think you are a decent to good team (see houston) it is pointless to fire your head coach because making that chagne by your logic is pointless? Really? You beleive that honestly???

They fired Bill Obrien and then won the very next week and starting actually scoring more points that before!!! SHOCKING!!! lol

Im sorry man i hope this doesn't come out at mean or trying dis you I just am in disbelief of your post. You saw them put 36 on the titans right? I mean you literally see a team do exactly what you say we shouldn't do because it wouldn't make a diff and they literally did exactly what you said not too.. I mean damn thats Nuts

Just imagine another coach comes in and we get good play calling and game plans, all of a sudden our struggling qb looks alot better, the team starts wining being competitive..

Its like the Jets have beaten you down, way down to where you have given up on Hope.

 

 

Yeah, that would be wrong.  Totally wrong.  

The Texans haver talent, I covered that.  The Jets arent a good team.  The Jets are 0-6.  No one is going to come in and accomplish anything, the season is over.  But wait, we can imagine.

You just dont get it.  Thats fine.  I'm wrong, Vacciano is wrong, the other 5 or more teams that will fire their HC at year end are wrong too.  

 

[jetscrazey]

20 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Like who, Gregg Williams??  I'll tell you right now, the offensive side of the ball didn't appreciate the comments Gregg made the other day and that a**hole, in particular, has been responsible for more finger pointing within the organization than Gase has.

I'd take a flyer on Shawn Jefferson.  He was a decent NFL player in his day, so he'd be able to relate to the players and would command respect in the locker room.

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Williams today said that he “loved” Gase. The media has been trying to bait Leveon Bell into ripping Gase and he won’t do it. Same with Robby Anderson. Ryan Tannehill credits Gase for teaching him how to play QB in the NFL. It would appear that the people around Gase respect him and many of them actually like him. The players on the team are aware that Joe Flacco is currently throwing to Jeff Smith right now and that’s the offense. They’re aware that their CBs are street free agent quality. Has the team played like sh*t? Absolutely. But until the players decide that it’s Adam Gase’s fault the team sucks, there’s no internal rationale for firing him. Fans just want heads to roll at this point for entertainment purposes. 
 

All that said, Gase should definitely hand over the play calling to Cooter.

To make a long story short, Gase is polarizing, much in the same way that Mangini was.  Some will stand by his side no matter what, and others...not so much.  The petty hard-ass routine wears thin when you aren't winning.  However, this is the case with pretty much any coach in the NFL.  You wanna see an awful culture?  Turn this team over to Gregg and let him turn all the defensive guys into Jamal Adams because he'll have them huffing their own farts with no reasoning in no time.  He is Rex Ryan 2.0 with a nasty side to him, and I don't mean that in a good way. 

Yes, Gase should absolutely do that (regarding Cooter).  His own system and play calling are attrocious, lmao.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

To make a long story short, Gase is polarizing, much in the same way that Mangini was.  Some will stand by his side no matter what, and others...not so much because the petty hard-ass routine wears thin when you aren't winnning.  However, this is the case with pretty much any coach in the NFL.  You wanna see an awful culture.  Turn this team over to Gregg and let him turn all the defensive guys into Jamal Adams because he'll have them huffing their own farts with no reasoning in no time.  He is Rex Ryan 2.0 with a nasty side to him, and I don't mean that in a good way. 

Yes, Gase should absolutely do that.  His system and play calling are attrocious, lmao.

I do find it weird that no one has gotten any of the players in the building to trash Gase, even anonymously. Rare.

[Mogglez]

4 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

I'd take a flyer on Shawn Jefferson.  He was a decent NFL player in his day, so he'd be able to relate to the players and would command respect in the locker room.

Shawn Jefferson has never had the responsibilities of head coach and making this sh*tshow his first opportunity is sure-fire way to make sure he never gets another crack at it.  Also, he's an excellent positional coach and may be a guy you don't want to lose.  Until you have a new guy in place, you have no idea who may be going or staying from a positional coach standpoint.  I'll tell you right now that you aren't going to make a WR coach a lame duck interim HC, and then demote him and have him stay.  He will walk in a heartbeat.  

[jetscrazey]

Just now, Mogglez said:

Shawn Jefferson has never had the responsibilities of head coach and making this sh*tshow his first opportunity is sure-fire way to make sure he never gets another crack at it.  Also, he's an excellent positional coach and may be a guy you don't want to lose.  Until you have a new guy in place, you have no idea who may be going or staying from a positional coach standpoint.  I'll tell you right now that you aren't going to make a WR coach a lame duck interim HC, and then demote him and have him stay.  He will walk in a heartbeat.  

If you think the next regime is going to want coaching staff holdovers you aren't thinking big enough.  Let Jefferson take the job and walk, it'll be good for his resume to eventually work his way up.  And trust the next HC to replace him well.

[Mogglez]

Just now, T0mShane said:

I do find it weird that no one has gotten any of the players in the building to trash Gase, even anonymously. Rare.

I'm sure we'll get a couple of clippings here and there when the deed is finally done, however, I wouldn't read too much into it.  He isn't the devil that the media (MANISH) paints him out to be.

[Mogglez]

2 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

If you think the next regime is going to want coaching staff holdovers you aren't thinking big enough.  Let Jefferson take the job and walk, it'll be good for his resume to eventually work his way up.  And trust the next HC to replace him well.

That type of thinking would have gotten Mike Westhoff fired numerous times.  If you do your job well, it will be recognized one way or another.  That said, no one wants to be a "place holder".  It's disrespectful and a large reason why Buffalo ended up losing someone as good as Anthony Lynn.

[68JET11]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Williams today said that he “loved” Gase. The media has been trying to bait Leveon Bell into ripping Gase and he won’t do it. Same with Robby Anderson. Ryan Tannehill credits Gase for teaching him how to play QB in the NFL. It would appear that the people around Gase respect him and many of them actually like him. The players on the team are aware that Joe Flacco is currently throwing to Jeff Smith right now and that’s the offense. They’re aware that their CBs are street free agent quality. Has the team played like sh*t? Absolutely. But until the players decide that it’s Adam Gase’s fault the team sucks, there’s no internal rationale for firing him. Fans just want heads to roll at this point for entertainment purposes. 
 

All that said, Gase should definitely hand over the play calling to Cooter.

Good take... It's time for GASE to put his ego aside if he wants to continue being the head coach, along with JD they need to find the next OC brain that has a pulse on the modern NFL and snap him up. I'm not sure that's Cooter, but let Cooter take the last 1/2 of the season and call plays.

[SAR I]

2020 is a mulligan for the New York Jets. 

Pandemic, injuries, trades, opt-outs, defense playing like ass, Darnold out for multiple weeks.  Somewhere around Week 4 the Jets got together and came to the conclusion that this year was not about winning, it was about ripping the BandAid off, getting rid of players, and positioning ourselves for the draft.

Gase and Douglas are hand-picked by Christopher Johnson and they haven't been given a fair chance to succeed here due to a decade of Idzik/Maccagnan negligence compounded by injuries.  Season ticket holders didn't spend a dime this year and they're not going to be forced to spend a dime next year either.  Mulligan's all around.  Christopher Johnson wants to see what they can do next season with another draft and another free agency period.  So do we.

SAR I

[section314]

3 hours ago, 68JET11 said:

Good take... It's time for GASE to put his ego aside if he wants to continue being the head coach, along with JD they need to find the next OC brain that has a pulse on the modern NFL and snap him up. I'm not sure that's Cooter, but let Cooter take the last 1/2 of the season and call plays.

Especially if we do get the #1 pick. Get the ducks in a row ASAP, before any of the real off season stuff starts.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Williams today said that he “loved” Gase. The media has been trying to bait Leveon Bell into ripping Gase and he won’t do it. Same with Robby Anderson. Ryan Tannehill credits Gase for teaching him how to play QB in the NFL. It would appear that the people around Gase respect him and many of them actually like him. The players on the team are aware that Joe Flacco is currently throwing to Jeff Smith right now and that’s the offense. They’re aware that their CBs are street free agent quality. Has the team played like sh*t? Absolutely. But until the players decide that it’s Adam Gase’s fault the team sucks, there’s no internal rationale for firing him. Fans just want heads to roll at this point for entertainment purposes. 
 

All that said, Gase should definitely hand over the play calling to Cooter.

 

AS crazy as it sounds, I like Gase as a HEAD coach in a CEO/cut throat/culture changing type of role.

I HATE him as a play caller and offensive designer.  

There are a lot of creative minds out there sitting in positional coach positions that will jump at the chance to move up and show off their skills.

Unfortunately, they might have to extend Gase to get that person to jump.  

[BettyBoop]

On 10/23/2020 at 3:50 PM, Jetsbb said:

Gase is a lightning rod, and there are some outside the organization who think this is a big factor. All the heat right now is on him, which takes the pressure off what increasingly looks like a poor offseason and shaky first draft by Douglas. It also distracts from the sticky situation Johnson created by essentially letting his coach have a hand in choosing the GM.

This is exactly what I wrote about last week, even using the term "lightning rod".