Instability Isn’t the Result of Losing; Losing is the Result of Instability (New York Jets Edition)

[JetNation]

The best thing we can say about the New York Jets trip to Miami on Sunday is that it is over. It is hard to find anything to highlight in the Jet’s play. Nothing went well; nothing worked; and the game was decided early. Let’s move on.

The Jets host the Commanders this week in what should be a much more competitive game. Washington is one of the few teams in the league with a worse record than the Jets. The Commanders have lost five straight games. In the Commander’s loss Sunday against the Rams, starting quarterback Sam Howell was replaced by backup Jacoby Brissett. Brissett rallied the Commanders to within a touchdown of the Rams after the team fell behind 28-7. It’s unclear right now who will get the start Sunday against the Jets. One of the Commander’s biggest issues in their 4-10 season so far has been turnovers. The team is tied for last in turnover differential at -9. Howell has 15 interceptions for the year.

The Commanders are one of the few teams with as much uncertainty at quarterback as the Jets. Zach Wilson left the Dolphins game with an injury. The offense did nothing to distinguish itself while Wilson was in the game. They did even less once Wilson left the field. There is no better opponent to be visiting the Meadowlands right now for the Jet’s struggling offense. Washington is dead last in overall defense. The Commanders are allowing a staggering 30.2 points per game. The Commanders are last in passing yards allowed, which should bode well for whomever gets the start at quarterback for New York.

This Sunday’s game has significance despite both teams being out of the postseason. There are ramifications for draft position, with both teams solidly in the top ten. There is also significance for the head coaches. Ron Rivera is widely expected to be let go by Washington at season’s end. The Commanders may elect to speed up that timetable if they were routed by the struggling Jets. There are some reports that Jets head man, Robert Saleh, is also on the hotseat. Saleh should get another season to prove his capabilities, but another embarrassing loss, especially one to a team playing as poorly as the Commanders, could end Saleh’s tenure abruptly.

The hotseat season in the NFL is in full gear as misguided front offices seek an easy means to turn their franchises around. It’s ironic that the record free agent deal recently signed by baseball mega-star Shohei Ohtani included an opt-out clause allowing Ohtani to end his contract if certain changes occur in the Dodger organization over the next ten years. It is the first time that such a clause has been included in a contract. It took a player from outside the United States to be able to see what is wrong with so many American professional sports teams.

Two NFL franchises share the top spot with six Super Bowl wins. The Steelers have six Lombardi trophies. The Steelers have had three coaches since 1969. That is three coaches over 54 years. The New England Patriots also own six Lombardi trophies. New England has employed three coaches over the last 30 years. The Patriots current head coach, Bill Belichick, has been in charge for the last 23 years. The Dallas Cowboys and San Francisco 49ers are right behind Pittsburgh and New England with five Super Bowl wins each.  The Cowboys have had eight head coaches in the last 34 years. The 49ers have been the least stable of this elite group, with eleven coaches over the last 44 years.

The New York Jets have one Lombardi trophy. It was won on January 12, 1969. That was 54 years ago. Over those same 54 years, while the Steelers were employing three head coaches, the New York Jets have had 18 head coaches. The Steelers have six times as many championships as the Jets, and the Jets have had six times as many head coaches as the Steelers over the same period.

Chuck Knoll was hired by the Steelers to be their head coach in 1969. The Steelers went 1-13 that season. In today’s NFL, Noll would have been fired after that year, if not at some point during the season. In Noll’s second year, the Steelers improved to 5-9. They went 6-8 in Noll’s third year in 1971. After his first three seasons, Chuck Noll’s record with the Steelers was 12-30.  Noll’s winning percentage at that time was 28.5%. Robert Saleh’s record with the Jets so far is 16-32. Robert Saleh’s winning percentage with the Jets is 33% today, slightly better than Chuck Noll at roughly the same point in their tenures with their respective teams.

It’s time to stop expecting things to change while repeating the same mistakes. Saleh has done as much with this team as anyone could have, given the roster and circumstances. Change the culture, not the personnel. Instability isn’t the result of losing; losing is the result of instability. Shohei Ohtani sees the correlation between stability and winning in professional sports, and he hasn’t even mastered English yet.

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[Beerfish]

Whew at least I now know that Saleh is chuck noll.

This regime will get another year and that is more than enough time to judge if they can do it or not.

The jets are not impatient other than one or two cases.  Mangini and Idzik deserved more time the rest all got lots of time.

Rex, Bowles, mccagnan, Herm Tanny all got lots of time.

This version of the Jets?   They had some bumps but were building and improving, then they panicked and threw it away with the awful rodgers move.

 

[Ron Rico]

So Salad is Chuck Knoll? Is that the suggestion? 

[Jetsfan80]

Oh so we should have kept Gase around for a bunch more years just to make sure he doesn't suck?

C'mon.  This is a stupid take.  Rex Ryan was here for 6 years.  How did that help us?

[Creepy Lurker]

34 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh so we should have kept Gase around for a bunch more years just to make sure he doesn't suck?

C'mon.  This is a stupid take.  Rex Ryan was here for 6 years.  How did that help us?

I agree. Horrible take. One thing the Jets do is hold on to coaches for too long. It’s good for “perception” but honestly, where has that gotten them anyways. Churn em’ and burn em’. If they are sh*t, move on quickly. When a team is garbage or poorly run, it should be very easy to show results immediately. If not, rinse and repeat at this point. 

[y2k8]

 

Woody has been the owner for over 20 years.

This stability has resulted in unprecedented losing.

[GangGreened]

Such a stupid take. The Jets give their GMs and coaches more than enough time, with a few exceptions like Gase and Idzik who no one blamed the Jets for firing.

”change the culture, not the personnel” lol terrible article 

[y2k8]

Talk about instability. The Jets once had 4 head coaches in 5 years.

That 4th HC was Bill Parcells and he took a 1-15 team to 9-7 and then 12-4 and a half away from the SuperBowl.

Instability is never the issue. Incompetence is always the problem. 

[Adoni Beast]

I feel like the Jets have been fair with giving their head coaches enough chances.

• Herm 5 years

• Rex 6 years

• Bowles 4 years

• Saleh currently at 3, looking like 4

Meanwhile one of the flagship franchises mentioned in the post/article…the 49ers…

had back-to-back seasons of firing a coach after 1 year. Now look at them. You think they regret trying until you find the right guy?

[Ron Rico]

[varjet]

Michael Nania just wrote an article describing how bad Becton and Tomlinson have been this season, despite being our largest OL investments.  Other teams have gotten much better play from UDFAs. 

Saleh is probably not another Chuck Noll, but Chuck Noll was given great players to work with.  Saleh has been given crap.  

[jeremy2020]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Whew at least I now know that Saleh is chuck noll.

This regime will get another year and that is more than enough time to judge if they can do it or not.

The jets are not impatient other than one or two cases.  Mangini and Idzik deserved more time the rest all got lots of time.

Rex, Bowles, mccagnan, Herm Tanny all got lots of time.

This version of the Jets?   They had some bumps but were building and improving, then they panicked and threw it away with the awful rodgers move.

They made the Rodgers move because the roster was a failure.

[Adoni Beast]

14 minutes ago, varjet said:

 Other teams have gotten much better play from UDFAs. 

I think this is the biggest issue really. Most teams can have serviceable line play with UDFAs. You don’t expect them to be the Dallas OL of the 90s but…functional. 

To be this bad is on coaching and it’s been an issue all throughout Saleh’s time.

[GangGreened]

26 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

They made the Rodgers move because the roster was a failure.

I feel like they made the Rodgers move because they believed they had a roster that was ready to win outside of QB.

[RoadFan]

Unfortunately, Jets fans are stuck with the owner.  
 

The goal should be to convince the owner to build their own stadium with a retractable roof or a dome.  Impossible to win when half the team gets hurt every season.  

 

[Beerfish]

28 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

They made the Rodgers move because the roster was a failure.

Nonsense, they needed a QB.

To get rodgers they made the roster MUCH MUCH worse.

Gave up tons of draft capital, hired on rodgers buddies all of whom stink and can't play, hired on rodgers oc who stinks and can;t coach.

If the roster was a failure no way you give up what the jets did to get him.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

It’s widely known that Coach Saleh’s “all gas” culture needs at least 15 years to take root and truly flourish.

The “instant coffee” generation doesn’t deserve a HOF coach as ahead of his time as Sideshow Bob.

ok yeah, that’s my new nickname for the bald Sloganeer

[K_O_Brien]

The Jets need more way more 'instability'.

We're inherently cautious, conservative and passive, as an organisation. 

It is unbelievable that no coach has been held accountable for this sh*t-show of a season. 

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

Instability is the result of losing AND losing is the result of instability. Like a snake eating itself. Or that gif of the chimp drinking his own pee. Which is basically the Jets’ org chart.

[rangerous]

12 hours ago, varjet said:

Michael Nania just wrote an article describing how bad Becton and Tomlinson have been this season, despite being our largest OL investments.  Other teams have gotten much better play from UDFAs. 

Saleh is probably not another Chuck Noll, but Chuck Noll was given great players to work with.  Saleh has been given crap.  

What Nania said was the oline should’ve been at least average even with the injuries.  Saleh failed at coaching the oline to even average.  Just why does Tomlinson continue to start and hold down left guard?  Is becton being motivated to play better?  This a contract year for him and he’s playing himself out of the nfl.  The fact that other teams seem to use udfa players effectively is all on saleh. Granted Noll benefitted from exceptional drafts in the late 60’s and 70’s but he also coached these guys up.  I think everyone wonders why the jets didn’t draft a guy who went a few spaces after the guy they drafted, especially when the guy turns into an all nfl player.  Happens every year but the reason is the team (coaches) gets the guy ready to play at a high level.  I’m thinking just about all teams have the same attributes in mind when they draft a particular position.

 And I’m a buy and hold sort of person.  I don’t want to change coaches each year but what they need to show is a year over year improvement.  Last season they an equally bad spate of injuries and arguably played better than this season.  Saleh needed to show more about overcoming diversity.

[Warfish]

Too much wrong with OP.

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Too much wrong with OP.

Every year the temperature getting warmer causes the sun to get closer to the earth in the summer months. 

[Sperm Edwards]

Also

• Tampa never should have fired Dungy
• The Ravens shouldn't have myopically fired Ted Marchibroda in Jan '99 after just 3 seasons.
• The Patriots should've stuck with Pete Carroll playing pickup basketball games with his players who really for sure totally respected him, and collectively have regretted every bit of the last 24 seasons since
• Washington should've kept on Jack Pardee past his 3 years there
• Every Miami Dolphins fan wishes they could go back to Brian Flores right now
• The Raiders would've been wise to give Joe Bugel 5 more years instead of firing him after just 1
• On the heels of firing Herm & Haley, in the interest of stability the Chiefs should've stood by Romeo Crennel instead of the less stable move of firing yet another HC in favor of trying a quick fix with Andy Reid
• Seattle should've realized they created an unstable situation in giving up on Jim Mora Jr after just 1 season, in favor of twice-failed HC Pete Carroll
• The Eagles were so stupid to create a revolving door of coach hires by dumping Chip Kelly within 3 years for Doug Pederson

(I'll stop here. For now.)

[jamesr]

What Nania said was the oline should’ve been at least average even with the injuries.  Saleh failed at coaching the oline to even average.  Just why does Tomlinson continue to start and hold down left guard?  Is becton being motivated to play better?  This a contract year for him and he’s playing himself out of the nfl.  The fact that other teams seem to use udfa players effectively is all on saleh. Granted Noll benefitted from exceptional drafts in the late 60’s and 70’s but he also coached these guys up.  I think everyone wonders why the jets didn’t draft a guy who went a few spaces after the guy they drafted, especially when the guy turns into an all nfl player.  Happens every year but the reason is the team (coaches) gets the guy ready to play at a high level.  I’m thinking just about all teams have the same attributes in mind when they draft a particular position.
 And I’m a buy and hold sort of person.  I don’t want to change coaches each year but what they need to show is a year over year improvement.  Last season they an equally bad spate of injuries and arguably played better than this season.  Saleh needed to show more about overcoming diversity.

Saleh is the OL coach now? What happened to the guy we hired from Tennessee?

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[rangerous]

18 hours ago, jamesr said:

Saleh is the OL coach now? What happened to the guy we hired from Tennessee?

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Saleh is the head coach and responsible for all of the other coaches.  He hired the oline coach and the one before that.  He needs to take an interest in what his coaches are doing.

[gdfodder]

The best thing we can say about the New York Jets trip to Miami on Sunday is that it is over. It is hard to find anything to highlight in the Jet’s play. Nothing went well; nothing worked; and the game was decided early. Let’s move on.
The Jets host the Commanders this week in what should be a much more competitive game. Washington is one of the few teams in the league with a worse record than the Jets. The Commanders have lost five straight games. In the Commander’s loss Sunday against the Rams, starting quarterback Sam Howell was replaced by backup Jacoby Brissett. Brissett rallied the Commanders to within a touchdown of the Rams after the team fell behind 28-7. It’s unclear right now who will get the start Sunday against the Jets. One of the Commander’s biggest issues in their 4-10 season so far has been turnovers. The team is tied for last in turnover differential at -9. Howell has 15 interceptions for the year.
The Commanders are one of the few teams with as much uncertainty at quarterback as the Jets. Zach Wilson left the Dolphins game with an injury. The offense did nothing to distinguish itself while Wilson was in the game. They did even less once Wilson left the field. There is no better opponent to be visiting the Meadowlands right now for the Jet’s struggling offense. Washington is dead last in overall defense. The Commanders are allowing a staggering 30.2 points per game. The Commanders are last in passing yards allowed, which should bode well for whomever gets the start at quarterback for New York.
This Sunday’s game has significance despite both teams being out of the postseason. There are ramifications for draft position, with both teams solidly in the top ten. There is also significance for the head coaches. Ron Rivera is widely expected to be let go by Washington at season’s end. The Commanders may elect to speed up that timetable if they were routed by the struggling Jets. There are some reports that Jets head man, Robert Saleh, is also on the hotseat. Saleh should get another season to prove his capabilities, but another embarrassing loss, especially one to a team playing as poorly as the Commanders, could end Saleh’s tenure abruptly.
The hotseat season in the NFL is in full gear as misguided front offices seek an easy means to turn their franchises around. It’s ironic that the record free agent deal recently signed by baseball mega-star Shohei Ohtani included an opt-out clause allowing Ohtani to end his contract if certain changes occur in the Dodger organization over the next ten years. It is the first time that such a clause has been included in a contract. It took a player from outside the United States to be able to see what is wrong with so many American professional sports teams.
Two NFL franchises share the top spot with six Super Bowl wins. The Steelers have six Lombardi trophies. The Steelers have had three coaches since 1969. That is three coaches over 54 years. The New England Patriots also own six Lombardi trophies. New England has employed three coaches over the last 30 years. The Patriots current head coach, Bill Belichick, has been in charge for the last 23 years. The Dallas Cowboys and San Francisco 49ers are right behind Pittsburgh and New England with five Super Bowl wins each.  The Cowboys have had eight head coaches in the last 34 years. The 49ers have been the least stable of this elite group, with eleven coaches over the last 44 years.
The New York Jets have one Lombardi trophy. It was won on January 12, 1969. That was 54 years ago. Over those same 54 years, while the Steelers were employing three head coaches, the New York Jets have had 18 head coaches. The Steelers have six times as many championships as the Jets, and the Jets have had six times as many head coaches as the Steelers over the same period.
Chuck Knoll was hired by the Steelers to be their head coach in 1969. The Steelers went 1-13 that season. In today’s NFL, Noll would have been fired after that year, if not at some point during the season. In Noll’s second year, the Steelers improved to 5-9. They went 6-8 in Noll’s third year in 1971. After his first three seasons, Chuck Noll’s record with the Steelers was 12-30.  Noll’s winning percentage at that time was 28.5%. Robert Saleh’s record with the Jets so far is 16-32. Robert Saleh’s winning percentage with the Jets is 33% today, slightly better than Chuck Noll at roughly the same point in their tenures with their respective teams.
It’s time to stop expecting things to change while repeating the same mistakes. Saleh has done as much with this team as anyone could have, given the roster and circumstances. Change the culture, not the personnel. Instability isn’t the result of losing; losing is the result of instability. Shohei Ohtani sees the correlation between stability and winning in professional sports, and he hasn’t even mastered English yet.
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