Popular Post BreeceHallofFame Posted July 26 Popular Post Share Posted July 26 Hawk Tua! 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Nobody is going to confuse this with being a great move but the Dolphins had no choice. Their window is open right now. Now is not the time to hit the reset button at QB. Tua is a fine QB who could maybe pull a division title if things break right. You could do worse but you could also do better. This won’t impact the 2024 season for Miami, but it most definitely will be an anchor moving forward 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 23 minutes ago, Bronx said: One hit away from retirement via concussion. Played 17 games last year w/ no concussion issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 24 minutes ago, bicketybam said: Do you think you can win a championship with Tua as your QB? I don't think so and they are now locked into the guy for 3 years. That's my issue, not the money. your issue doesn't make sense - because what's the alternative? could they have traded him in the off season and gotten another QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 22 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: This is true. Doesn't make it a good contract. Trade him to a dumb QB needy team for a haul and try again. Sounds great in theory but what team was doing this? The answer - none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Played 17 games last year w/ no concussion issues. concussions can come at anytime. hopefully he has learned how to protect himself better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 26 minutes ago, bicketybam said: Do you think you can win a championship with Tua as your QB? I don't think so and they are now locked into the guy for 3 years. That's my issue, not the money. Mike Mcdaniel coached jimmy garrapolo a literal inch away from winning a super bowl. So whether u or i think think tua can win one, i am sure mcdaniel does. And thats all that matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 Just now, batman10023 said: concussions can come at anytime. hopefully he has learned how to protect himself better. Joe Burrow was signed snd is always injured. Its a risk you take in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I thought he was arrested in Finland for a second 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 53 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: So what is the alternative? 1- You make him play out his 5th year? - Well thats not an option cause he would not show.up. And you do not have a qb on the roster that can play. So if you think what the fins did was wrong, please tell us what would have been the right move. While it is not a great alternative, you can do what the Skins did with Cousins...use the tag. It is south of 53.1 million. While Tua is a great fit for McDaniels offense, there are no Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes "wow" plays. It is "nice play". Tua is going to go from 23M this year to I would think at least 35 million (or more) next year depending how the contract is structured. The Phins will start to hemorrhage talent. Tyrek is a Phin because the Chiefs could not afford him. The good news for the Chiefs, Patrick can overcome that. Can Tua? The Phins should have tagged him and then look for another guy in the draft like you said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 31 minutes ago, batman10023 said: your issue doesn't make sense - because what's the alternative? could they have traded him in the off season and gotten another QB? They should roll with Skylar Thompson. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 29 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Mike Mcdaniel coached jimmy garrapolo a literal inch away from winning a super bowl. So whether u or i think think tua can win one, i am sure mcdaniel does. And thats all that matters. What did SF have that Miami currently doesn't have? It's starts with a "D." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: 4 years. $166 guaranteed so its really a 3 year deal for $55 mil a year. Good deal for both sides. Great deal for the Jets. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Good starting QBs cost $50+mm/year. The Holy Grail is finding a rookie who can play cheap for 3-4 years. The NFL is a business. Its not about Super Bowl or bust anymore. A veteran who can win games and fill seats will get that $50+mm if they even sniff the Pro Bowl. The Raiders walked from Derek Carr. They don't have a QB. The Seahawks did a smart thing trading Russell Wilson for lots of picks and were able to get Geno to fill in. I think more teams should trade their medium never winning a SB QBs for draft hauls, and try to be like the 49ers. In the Big Picture, what the Jets paid for AR8, and what AR8 ends up getting paid if he stays, is not unreasonable if he can at last manage the game. It also depends if a team has the roster to support the QB. Even if Darnold was good, it did not pay to keep him on a bad team. You can see the point of taking a shot on Zach Wilson-if he is ok, he is a great bargain. If not he costs what a decent backup QB costs on a rookie contract. The Dolphins are likely getting a decent salary cap deal for Tua, at least in 2024. If they let him go in year 4, they have a dead money hit. Just like where the Jets are with AR8. If I were Jerry I would give Dak a three year Cousins deal and go for broke the next 2-3 years. Take a QB every year to find the next Dak. Then start over. If Dak does not want the three year deal, trade him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 26 minutes ago, PFSIKH said: While it is not a great alternative, you can do what the Skins did with Cousins...use the tag. It is south of 53.1 million. While Tua is a great fit for McDaniels offense, there are no Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes "wow" plays. It is "nice play". Tua is going to go from 23M this year to I would think at least 35 million (or more) next year depending how the contract is structured. The Phins will start to hemorrhage talent. Tyrek is a Phin because the Chiefs could not afford him. The good news for the Chiefs, Patrick can overcome that. Can Tua? The Phins should have tagged him and then look for another guy in the draft like you said. he was under contract. so what exactly does a tag do for this year? you would have had to trade him and back to square one. in a tough spot - but his numbers are good and so he got paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 21 minutes ago, varjet said: Good starting QBs cost $50+mm/year. The Holy Grail is finding a rookie who can play cheap for 3-4 years. The NFL is a business. Its not about Super Bowl or bust anymore. A veteran who can win games and fill seats will get that $50+mm if they even sniff the Pro Bowl. The Raiders walked from Derek Carr. They don't have a QB. The Seahawks did a smart thing trading Russell Wilson for lots of picks and were able to get Geno to fill in. I think more teams should trade their medium never winning a SB QBs for draft hauls, and try to be like the 49ers. In the Big Picture, what the Jets paid for AR8, and what AR8 ends up getting paid if he stays, is not unreasonable if he can at last manage the game. It also depends if a team has the roster to support the QB. Even if Darnold was good, it did not pay to keep him on a bad team. You can see the point of taking a shot on Zach Wilson-if he is ok, he is a great bargain. If not he costs what a decent backup QB costs on a rookie contract. The Dolphins are likely getting a decent salary cap deal for Tua, at least in 2024. If they let him go in year 4, they have a dead money hit. Just like where the Jets are with AR8. If I were Jerry I would give Dak a three year Cousins deal and go for broke the next 2-3 years. Take a QB every year to find the next Dak. Then start over. If Dak does not want the three year deal, trade him. carr and wilson - those were two teams that did a unconventional move. geno turned out okay. i think the geno strategy is interesting unless you have a top 10 qb. the 25mm you can save can get upgraded WRs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 25 minutes ago, varjet said: Good starting QBs cost $50+mm/year. The Holy Grail is finding a rookie who can play cheap for 3-4 years. The NFL is a business. Its not about Super Bowl or bust anymore. A veteran who can win games and fill seats will get that $50+mm if they even sniff the Pro Bowl. The Raiders walked from Derek Carr. They don't have a QB. The Seahawks did a smart thing trading Russell Wilson for lots of picks and were able to get Geno to fill in. I think more teams should trade their medium never winning a SB QBs for draft hauls, and try to be like the 49ers. In the Big Picture, what the Jets paid for AR8, and what AR8 ends up getting paid if he stays, is not unreasonable if he can at last manage the game. It also depends if a team has the roster to support the QB. Even if Darnold was good, it did not pay to keep him on a bad team. You can see the point of taking a shot on Zach Wilson-if he is ok, he is a great bargain. If not he costs what a decent backup QB costs on a rookie contract. The Dolphins are likely getting a decent salary cap deal for Tua, at least in 2024. If they let him go in year 4, they have a dead money hit. Just like where the Jets are with AR8. If I were Jerry I would give Dak a three year Cousins deal and go for broke the next 2-3 years. Take a QB every year to find the next Dak. Then start over. If Dak does not want the three year deal, trade him. the AR contract is great. what they paid for him is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Terrible contact. QB is not a premium position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: Bad contract that will likely prevent them from retaining key talent. hard to say. all of these qb contracts seem plenty excessive but the nfl is still growing and the salary cap is still going up. i guess at some point it's got to stop but not very soon unless there's some rule change that diminishes the importance of the position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Untouchable said: I thought he was arrested in Finland for a second Ok ok I feel you, haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 20% of your salary cap allocated to Tua? Not sure if that is smart asset allocation! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 Just now, Rhg1084 said: 20% of your salary cap allocated to Tua? Not sure if that is smart asset allocation! The cap is nonsense. People are so focused on it. Thats the going rate for a good qb. Its not hurting the fins one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 4 hours ago, bicketybam said: White had been terrible in camp while Tua was sitting out. Dude sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 5 hours ago, Larz said: Jerry jones is so dense lol. just cost himself another 3 million by waiting The right move by the boys would be to trade Dak now and start Cooper Rush. Lamb and Parsons are more important going forward 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: The cap is nonsense. People are so focused on it. Thats the going rate for a good qb. Its not hurting the fins one bit. Until they try to sign someone and Tua is in between IR stints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Suddenly, Aaron Rodgers seems.... economical? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 1 minute ago, Rich Thornburgh said: The right move by the boys would be to trade Dak now and start Cooper Rush If they want to win 5 games this year, thats a great idea!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 1 minute ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Until they try to sign someone and Tua is in between IR stints Funny, the guy played 18 games last year. No IR for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Funny, the guy played 18 games last year. No IR for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Seems about right for a top 10/top 5 producing passer. If healthy. That remains the big ???, can he, will he stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 7 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: If they want to win 5 games this year, thats a great idea!!! Rush was 5-1 as a starter just over a year ago so I suppose they could win 5 or more games with him yes are there any not great QBs you think don’t deserve $60 million guaranteed per year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 It's now the job of Saleh's defense to put Tua in the blue tent once and for all. The sooner the better. Would love to see the Phins paying $55m to a Joe Biden clone for the next 2-1/2 seasons. If Mo Lewis is still in shape, Douglas should be on the phone with him! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Rush was 5-1 as a starter just over a year ago so I suppose they could win 5 or more games with him yes The old “Scrub backup has a few good games so he must be a star” theory. This thinking usually works out great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 6 minutes ago, FootballLove said: It's now the job of Saleh's defense to put Tua in the blue tent once and for all. The sooner the better. Would love to see the Phins paying $55m to a Joe Biden clone for the next 2-1/2 seasons. If Mo Lewis is still in shape, Douglas should be on the phone with him! ZW is mercifully gone so we should have an offense that can get first downs which helps the defense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Great news for the Jets! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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