Reddick Hires Drew Rosenhaus

[peebag]

12 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's also a bad precident for ten sack a year pass rushers to get rolled by a clown like Joe Douglas 

If Reddick can change the Jets chances in anyway that player by definition should have a multi year deal 

How's he getting rolled?  Reddick's the one who won't report/honor his contract.

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, slats said:

If he had showed up and balled out, there’s probably a decent possibility that the Jets would’ve considered extending him.

yes and if he showed up and broke his leg in training camp he gets nothing 

a player like Reddick has earned the right to not be in that spot 

even if he's only worth a 5th. Most NFL players are worth nothing on the open market 

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, peebag said:

How's he getting rolled?  Reddick's the one who won't report/honor his contract.

Well let's review  - JJ injury took away all the leverage the Jets had 

Reddick was traded he didn't choose to be here - he signed that contract with Philadelphia 

this is like Michael Scott Paper company - Reddick has the leverage now and he doesn't have to wait forever he just has to wait until the Jets are desperate

Saleh got fired and Joe is probably next

at 2-4 after tonight they will be desperate 

NFL players don't have the same rights as most workers (OSHA, anti-trust etc) but the one thing they can do is not show up

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

Offer him to the lions for a 3rd rd pick

[Biggs]

7 minutes ago, slats said:

He was traded for a third rounder two years out, or the equivalent of a fifth round pick. He has the right to want whatever the **** he wants, but the Jets also have the right not to give it to him. Reddick chose not to deal in reality. If he had showed up and balled out, there’s probably a decent possibility that the Jets would’ve considered extending him. Now he’s just created a pool of bad blood, apparently having turned down a generous one year deal. Why would you want to guarantee this player any money in the future? He’s already clearly demonstrated that he feels no obligation to abide by the terms of his contract. 
 
Reddick’s best move was always to show up, play well, and score in free agency next year. Maybe hold in to squeeze some extra money out of them, money they were willing to give. Now he’s lost money he’ll never get back, and there are probably a number of teams that will not even consider him after this. 

No way JD was going to extend him.  JD loves cheap rentals and he's on a 1 year deal himself.

[GreenFish]

I thought Reddick was right to want more money. He vastly outplayed his contract. A 1 year deal at around $20M fully gtd always made sense to me. Sounds like the Jets had a strong 1 year deal on table.

I think Reddick misplayed his hand. An edge rusher on this defense doesn’t have that kind of weight where a holdout will swing negotiations.

Best he can hope for now is to recoup his original contract without the fines. So $14M for the remainder of year with no fines. Both sides save face in that situation.

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Offer him to the lions for a 3rd rd pick

I saw this post last night and agree - shipping him to DET for any draft pick would also be a decent outcome at this point (i'd take a 4th or 5th or whatever)

at this point you need to stop throwing good money after bad just to prove a point or whatever 

but also that draft pick doesn't help Joe Douglas  - unless he's using it to trade for Davonte 

[Rich Thornburgh]

Just now, bitonti said:

I saw this post last night and agree - shipping him to DET for any draft pick would also be a decent outcome at this point (i'd take a 4th or 5th or whatever)

at this point you need to stop throwing good money after bad just to prove a point or whatever 

but also that draft pick doesn't help Joe Douglas  - unless he's using it to trade for Davonte 

The pick will help the next GM 

[RevisIsland610]

39 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Everyone is treating reddick like a jerk (and he certainly is) but the bottom line here is that the Jets are asking this player to risk his health without any long term money 

And That's fine if you're no one... Like the chazz surrats of the league. Reddick is a ten snack guy worth apparently a third Rd pick on the free market, he has the right to want longer term money 

So did Huff really 

The problem here is that the Jets traded for this dude and then made it into some labor vs capital thing as woody is want to do 

 

Yes, It's all the Jets fault, lol. They also traded a 2026 3rd for him which is like a 2024 5th rounder. He will never get what he was originally asking for. Never. 

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, RevisIsland610 said:

Yes, It's all the Jets fault, lol. They also traded a 2026 3rd for him which is like a 2024 5th rounder. He will never get what he was originally asking for. Never. 

at one point Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick 

He won't get what he originally asked for but he deserves something 

otherwise the Jets wouldn't have traded for him at all 

 

[bitonti]

40 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

So the real question is, who is negotiating w/ Rosenhaus at this point?

[Dcat]

17 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe D is done w/ the Jets.  Hes not even the acting GM anymore.  He will officially leave right after the season.

yeah sure, LOL .     

[Dcat]

4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

at one point Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick 

He won't get what he originally asked for but he deserves something 

otherwise the Jets wouldn't have traded for him at all 

 

agreed.  And the jets had an salary increase for him ready to go.  Maybe now, he can take that deal without looking like an a-hole.  Love the black gloves, mafia like strong arming a business partner.  Yep...  that's the guy we should have.   

[slimjasi]

12 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Offer him to the lions for a 3rd rd pick

[TuscanyTile2]

57 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Isn’t Drew the one who dropped AB after he went completely off the rails?

🤷‍♂️😅
 

How are they gonna commit future guarantees to HR and keep GW, JJ, Sauce, AVT, etc?

Do they let Breece walk?

I would actually extend Breece right now if I could on a “buy the dip” type of scenario rather than waiting for him to set the world on fire 🔥 with better line play and ending up having to pay much more.

 

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How are they gonna commit future guarantees to HR and keep GW, JJ, Sauce, AVT, etc?

That's been the problem all along.  Also, after what we've seen so far from HR, I don't trust him at all at this point.  

 

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I would actually extend Breece right now if I could on a “buy the dip” type of scenario rather than waiting for him to set the world on fire 🔥 with better line play and ending up having to pay much more.

I would too but I'm sure his agent won't let his client fall for this.

[Augustiniak]

15 minutes ago, bitonti said:

I saw this post last night and agree - shipping him to DET for any draft pick would also be a decent outcome at this point (i'd take a 4th or 5th or whatever)

at this point you need to stop throwing good money after bad just to prove a point or whatever 

but also that draft pick doesn't help Joe Douglas  - unless he's using it to trade for Davonte 

It does b/c IMO he’s here again next season and there’s a decent chance they don’t make the playoffs, rodgers retires and they can trade up for a qb.  

[Gaffneycatch81]

55 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's also a bad precident for ten sack a year pass rushers to get rolled by a clown like Joe Douglas 

If Reddick can change the Jets chances in anyway that player by definition should have a multi year deal 

“By definition”?? Come on, man … that’s totally over the top. Yes, there are two sides to this stand off, yes Reddick has a right to want to want a longer term deal — but he’s not “by definition” in the right on this. There are plenty of players on one year deals that “change the Jets chances.” You’re making a mockery of your own stance on this by being so extreme.

[Dcat]

Send him to Lions, who just lost their pro bowl Edge rusher.  Get something in return worth a sht.  Lions need him.

[Biggs]

19 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Well let's review  - JJ injury took away all the leverage the Jets had 

Reddick was traded he didn't choose to be here - he signed that contract with Philadelphia 

this is like Michael Scott Paper company - Reddick has the leverage now and he doesn't have to wait forever he just has to wait until the Jets are desperate

Saleh got fired and Joe is probably next

at 2-4 after tonight they will be desperate 

NFL players don't have the same rights as most workers (OSHA, anti-trust etc) but the one thing they can do is not show up

 

The problem with this thinking is the NFL has done a good job convincing you that the Eagles and Jets are seperate entities when they aren't.   The Uniforms and logo's have a way of convincing us that these teams are actually different entities.  They aren't.  

[batman10023]

56 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Everyone is treating reddick like a jerk (and he certainly is) but the bottom line here is that the Jets are asking this player to risk his health without any long term money 

And That's fine if you're no one... Like the chazz surrats of the league. Reddick is a ten snack guy worth apparently a third Rd pick on the free market, he has the right to want longer term money 

So did Huff really 

The problem here is that the Jets traded for this dude and then made it into some labor vs capital thing as woody is want to do 

 

By that logic players should never play out their contract. 

[bicketybam]

53 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe D effectively resigned once Rodgers went over his head and had Saleh fired.

He is just a figurehead at this point until he leaves in January.

So the real question is, who is negotiating w/ Rosenhaus at this point?

 

You're a worse captain than this guy. 

 

[batman10023]

13 minutes ago, bitonti said:

at one point Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick 

He won't get what he originally asked for but he deserves something 

otherwise the Jets wouldn't have traded for him at all 

 

He was offered a big step up this year.   He didn’t want to take it.  
 

He still wants a multi year deal and the jets appear to not want that. 

[Biggs]

Just now, batman10023 said:

By that logic players should never play out their contract. 

Only about a third of players actually play out their contracts.  2/3 are either outright cut or get a renegiotated contract before the original comes to an end.

[jgb]

Get an upfront retainer, Drew.

[chirorob]

59 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Everyone is treating reddick like a jerk (and he certainly is) but the bottom line here is that the Jets are asking this player to risk his health without any long term money

 

He would have received 14 million this year.  Boo freaking who.  Even after taxes he takes home 8.  Put that in a high interest saving account at 4% that's 320 grand a year for the rest of his life.

If he had even a decent season, he easily gets 17-20 million a year on his next deal. 

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Only about a third of players actually play out their contracts.  2/3 are either outright cut or get a renegiotated contract before the original comes to an end.

The biggest disconnect in sports is that when a player holds out he’s “violating the contract!” But when a team cuts a guy or trades him off to some hellhole like Cleveland it’s “well, that’s just business.”

A contract is not a sacred document. It’s just a pre-negotiated agreement of the consequences if things go bad. That’s why they exist. 

[batman10023]

30 minutes ago, bitonti said:

yes and if he showed up and broke his leg in training camp he gets nothing 

a player like Reddick has earned the right to not be in that spot 

even if he's only worth a 5th. Most NFL players are worth nothing on the open market 

Nobody asked him to play.  He could have done a hold in. 
 

18mm for 1 year and getting to the open market seems like a deal he should have taken. 

[batman10023]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

The biggest disconnect in sports is that when a player holds out he’s “violating the contract!” But when a team cuts a guy or trades him off to some hellhole like Cleveland it’s “well, that’s just business.”

A contract is not a sacred document. It’s just a pre-negotiated agreement of the consequences of things go bad. That’s why they exist. 

Get full guarantees and this isn’t an issue. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, batman10023 said:

Nobody asked him to play.  He could have done a hold in. 
 

18mm for 1 year and getting to the open market seems like a deal he should have taken. 

Plus you’re more likely to get a longer term deal when you’re not a d bag

[Gaffneycatch81]

7 minutes ago, Biggs said:

The problem with this thinking is the NFL has done a good job convincing you that the Eagles and Jets are seperate entities when they aren't.   The Uniforms and logo's have a way of convincing us that these teams are actually different entities.  They aren't.  

Like Bitonti — there’s a nugget of truth at the core of your argument, but your rhetoric is so extreme that you undercut, and make a mockery of, your own stance. 

[OilfieldJet]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Might be something of an impasse, as the Jets are only really interested in having him for the remainder of the season. 

If that.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

Get full guarantees and this isn’t an issue. 

You can still hold out with guaranteed money contracts.

[Biggs]

8 minutes ago, chirorob said:

He would have received 14 million this year.  Boo freaking who.  Even after taxes he takes home 8.  Put that in a high interest saving account at 4% that's 320 grand a year for the rest of his life.

If he had even a decent season, he easily gets 17-20 million a year on his next deal. 

The average life span of an NFL player is about 20 years less than the average American.  That's a lot of compounding he's probably not going to get. 

[RevisIsland610]

21 minutes ago, bitonti said:

at one point Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick 

He won't get what he originally asked for but he deserves something 

otherwise the Jets wouldn't have traded for him at all 

 

That wasn't my point. Of course he deserves something but he's likely being delusional in these negotiations as his own agency dumped him. He's a 30yo edge rusher looking for a 3 year/25 mil per contract. Teams weren't exactly lining up for his services hence why he went for a 2026 3rd. 

[IndianaJet]

My gut tells me he'll sign by Weds.  Why?

It's an easy way for him to say it was his old agent's fault and not him being a complete idiot.