lancemehl Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 It's a medical fact that Favre got hurt(torn tendons,whatever) in that 12th game. Anyone watching could see that. Yes, it was selfish to play if you know you are not healthy, but that's also on Mangini,every player wants to play, Mangini had no ba!!s when it was blatantly affecting his play. so, before the injury Favre was 21-6(regular season) when he wasn't hurt with 48 TD's and 28 INT's ,a passer rating over 100 and 2 probowls. If he gets his shoulder fixed, promises to come to every camp and spend a full offseason in the same offense, hopefully tweeked from chad-mode, DO WE WANT HIM BACK? WITH FAVRE: We got a 40 yr old QB(1 year older than Vinny when he led us to within a half of the SB, and let's not even compare those two,please), arm fixed, back to when he was 8-3 with 20 TD's and 13 INT's and learning the taylor-made chad offense as he went. This time he'll have the entire training camp to work with the offense. Maybe, we can convince him to restructure based on his crap performance down the stretch. lol WITHOUT FAVRE: We get a little extra to sign someone, but our QB options are a guy who we know sux, a very promising undrafted FA but one that has never even started a preseason game, and Eric Ainge. Tom Tupa, where are you? lol So, basically, we are either spending Farve's money on a FA who is servicable, praying for a miracle with Ratliff or Ainge,which may happen, but this year? or we are officially in re-building mode, so all of the money we spent last year was a waste. SO, WHATTA YOU THINK? I love a good fantasy, so I'm going with Ratliff pulling a Rothlisberger(u know Rat's 6'4" 245, not bad size).........or Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Forty year old QB's break down, even Brett Favre. He broke down last year, and he'll probably break down again this year if he chooses to play. If he follows the same pattern as last year, the Jets will probably have the same results. Either Favre will limp thru the rest of the year, or the Jets will replace him with a cold, unprepared backup. I'd rather apply his $13M salary to other needy areas on the team, and go with one of the young QB's. Coach that player to manage the game, and hope he gets better as the year goes on. But I think Favre will retire. Football could not've been nearly as fun for him playing in front of angry NY'ers as it was being revered as a God in Green Bay. The extra $12M is probably nice, but he's still probably wondering what the hell he was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 i want Favre back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 This is a tough one... but in the end I only really thought he was going to be here for one year, so having him go this year is no big surprise. I don't think Rexxy will want "one more year" he is looking for a 1-2 year build to a Super Bowl push. He will shore up the D this year with "some dude" at QB and see what we have. Next year (2010), he will get "some other dude" as QB and break the top 5 with his D. At that point it will be up to that "dude" not to lose games. 2009: All D = Playoffs (1 and done) 2010: D + running game = Playoffs and a run 2011: Going for the gold with a 2 year QB. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Emotionally, I would love to see him back for another year. I just like the guy. He is fun and exciting. But I agree with everything Slats posted. Time to move on. For the Jets and Brett. He needs to start enjoying the rest of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I want him back...better defense, more emphasis on run..he will be very effective and give the Jets the best chance to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 no... unless he plays like he did against arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If healthy he is still the best choice if we want to win until proven otherwise on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 When he gets his shoulder fixed, will that also cure his brain and decision making ailments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Your argument lost steam and I stopped paying attention as soon as you said "medical fact" There is no verification on that. Chad was throwing darts in the final Dolphin game. The ball had velocity and pace. Problem was, he was throwing to imaginary spots and the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 No. Willing to go through growing pains with Ratliff, Clemens or Ainge. By the end of the season we need to know if we hace a viable starter on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Your argument lost steam and I stopped paying attention as soon as you said "medical fact" There is no verification on that. Chad was throwing darts in the final Dolphin game. The ball had velocity and pace. Problem was, he was throwing to imaginary spots and the other team. wait, where did the torn bicep tendons come from? I mean seriously, is the media just throwing BS out there? I heard from many sources Favre eventually needs surgery to repair torn tendons. I guess the days of the old black and white being fact are gone. Sorry, Scott, I'm not a doctor and certainly have no access to Favre's records so I can only go by what I read .....EVERYWHERE. and i missed the Chad reference. I'd like Favre, but would be fine with Ratliff (6'4" 245,Ratliff,that's a small LB'er) Clemens and I'm pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 wait, where did the torn bicep tendons come from? I mean seriously, is the media just throwing BS out there? I heard from many sources Favre eventually needs surgery to repair torn tendons. I guess the days of the old black and white being fact are gone. Sorry, Scott, I'm not a doctor and certainly have no access to Favre's records so I can only go by what I read .....EVERYWHERE. and i missed the Chad reference. I'd like Favre, but would be fine with Ratliff (6'4" 245,Ratliff,that's a small LB'er) Clemens and I'm pissed. If he was so hurt, you would think he would make better decisions with the ball no? I mean he obviously was not hurt enough or smart enough to not throw the deep pick or ask to go with more running plays. Injury or not the fact is in Favre's last 4 Decembers he has dropped off significantly, it did not just happen last year. Did he have torn tendons in his bicep the last 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 If he was so hurt, you would think he would make better decisions with the ball no? I mean he obviously was not hurt enough or smart enough to not throw the deep pick or ask to go with more running plays. Injury or not the fact is in Favre last 4 Decembers he has dropped off significantly, it did not just happen last year. Did he have torn tendons in his bicep the last 4 years? Nope. OK Ratliff it is! 13 mil! Receiver? TJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 WITHOUT FAVRE: We get a little extra to sign someone, but our QB options are a guy who we know sux, a very promising undrafted FA but one that has never even started a preseason game, and Eric Ainge. I know no such thing. And neither do you. You're higher on Ratliff than Clemens, it seems. Based on what, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Give Clemens another chance. Our offensive line is better than it was when he was a starter so we have a better run game. When Clemens became the starter our Oline sucked and we couldnt run for dog doo. Better Oline, better run game, better D, I'd like to see Clemens in there to start the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveg Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I thought it was recommended that Favre have his shoulder scoped and that would solve his arm problems. It doesn't seem like a big deal but something you want to do sooner rather than later. If Favre cared, he would have that done. Not a good sign. I can certainly see his arm problems coming back the second half of next season. No thanks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 What exactly has Ratliff proven in the NFL other than playing well in the preseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 What exactly has Ratliff proven in the NFL other than playing well in the preseason? well why don't we give him a shot and find out. what has clemen's done to show he should be given another shot. don't forget chad had decent #'s with that same oline that clemens played in front of and clemens #'s were horrible. he showed just as many flashes as Ratliff showed and Ratliff hasn't been given a real shot with the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 NO.......... start RATLIFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 The Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 don't forget chad had decent #'s with that same oline that clemens played in front of and clemens #'s were horrible. he showed just as many flashes as Ratliff showed and Ratliff hasn't been given a real shot with the first team. Coles was MIA for most of Clemens' starts. Either out, or hurt to badly to contribute. When he showed up against Miami, Clemens had his best game. Most of the time Clemens was in there, it seemed like he was bouncing passes off of McCariens' hands - when he wasn't getting bounced around behind the line of scrimmage himself. While there's no way I'd hand Kellen the starting job, there's also no way I'd keep him from competing for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 While there's no way I'd hand Kellen the starting job, there's also no way I'd keep him from competing for it. I have no problem with that. That's perfectly fine, in fact I would rather it be a competition between Clemens and Ratliff. I don't think going out and signing someone like Leftwich will do any better than we don't have already. I just think its silly to think Clemens will automatically be better than Ratliff from what we've seen so far out of both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETfrmWOMBtoTOMB Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 NO!!! I think he should just retire and leave us alone to figure out our future QB because we aint winning sh!t with him anyway. Retire now Favre!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 well why don't we give him a shot and find out. what has clemen's done to show he should be given another shot. don't forget chad had decent #'s with that same oline that clemens played in front of and clemens #'s were horrible. he showed just as many flashes as Ratliff showed and Ratliff hasn't been given a real shot with the first team. And a 1-7 record. Stats don't tell the whole story. Especially with Chad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I thought it was recommended that Favre have his shoulder scoped and that would solve his arm problems. It doesn't seem like a big deal but something you want to do sooner rather than later. If Favre cared, he would have that done. Not a good sign. I can certainly see his arm problems coming back the second half of next season. No thanks.. here's a question, Is he getting the shoulder worked on? What I read in earlier reports is that he could just let it heal on it's own or get it scoped. Now if he was retiring, why get it scoped? If he planned on playing again, wouldn't he get it scoped? So it will heal faster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I hope and pray he retires we need to wipe his salary off of the books so we can do business next year don't forget "trader mike" isn't bound by the draft or FA, he can go get a guy who is already on a roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 If his arm feels good then I would take him back. However, I want the next QB of the NY Jets to be a high-drafted rookie. Give me a 1st round draft pick QB. Not top-5. Not even top-8. Then you have to pay them ridiculously too much money. But I will take a first round QB drafted 10 or after and happily roll the dice on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hopefully Peter Princess is onto something for once... PETER KING BELIEVES FAVRE WANTS TO BE A VIKING Posted by Josh Alper on January 26, 2009, 7:04 p.m. Sports Illustrated and NBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I just want someone in this organixzation to make a drop dead decision- by say Feb 20th he is on this team or not for next year. If so then he has to go to all the same camps and workouts as every one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan718 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 i think we'd be better off without him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Emotionally, I would love to see him back for another year. I just like the guy. He is fun and exciting. But I agree with everything Slats posted. Time to move on. For the Jets and Brett. He needs to start enjoying the rest of his life. I never wanted Favre here before we traded for him. I didn't think his "style" fit our system. I supported him 100 % once we got him as I would whoever was the Jets QB. Considering the options out there and our "built to win now" team I honestly think he's our best chance to win. He's got to participate in all the off season progams however and actually become a true teammate . They have to play and practice together as a team. Favre has to agree with this. No cutting grass in Mississippi while his team is doing workouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 There is no reason the keep the great Kellen Clemens on the bench, the Jets realize they made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I just want someone in this organixzation to make a drop dead decision- by say Feb 20th he is on this team or not for next year. If so then he has to go to all the same camps and workouts as every one else. If past history is any indication you might be expecting too much Faba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 If past history is any indication you might be expecting too much Faba. We have to give no wiggle room-unlike Brett and his past wavering- we are the ones to make the decision for him and not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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