Aten Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 That and Moreno being slow and overrated. Slow running backs are never overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i'd be very surprised if the Jets first round pick wasn't on this list: QB Mark Sanchez (trade up) WR Jeremy Maclin RB Knowshon Moreno RB Beanie Wells TE Brandon Pettigrew (trade down?) I could also include the following players but are highly unlikely to be there: WR Michael Crabtree DT BJ Raji DE Tyson Jackson DB Malcolm Jenkins If the Jets first round draft pick isn't in this post I'd be shocked. I think you just might be surprised. I think they'll take a WR NOT on your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Slow running backs are never overrated. Moreno is slow, he wont be a home run threat in the NFL. I think he'll be an average back with some shifty moves but he's not exceptional at anything, much like our current starting RB. I honestly believe that Moreno would be a wasted pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Ideal? I think it will cost $3M against the cap to send him elsewhere. It's much cheaper to just keep him than to roll the dice with a rookie who will probably make more than both Jones $900K salary and $3M dead money figure. We can keep Jones and use the first round pick to fill the hole your plan would seek to fill with a 4th or 5th rounder. Thank you Dom. Trading TJ to replace him with Moreno STILL leaves the holes we now have. You've gained nothing. And trying to fill those holes with a 4th or 5th rounder ? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Here's my long list. Butler Crabtree Curry Jackson Jenkins Maclin Monroe Moreno Pettigrew Robiskie A. Smith J. Smith Now THERE'S a name that might be wearing green and white come fall. We can move down a few spots, pick up an extra pick and still grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 This just in from Hutch, and I agree the price would be too high The Jets best chance to get Sanchez would be to go up to the eighth slot -- where the Jaguars may be looking to slide down. But it would cost the Jets second- and fourth-round picks to do so in addition to their 17th selection, according to the NFL draft-chart. That's almost their entire draft. It seems unlikely the Jets would be willing to do that, especially with three young quarterbacks -- Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Erik Ainge -- already on the roster. Clemens still stinks. Ratty isn't much better. The Jets have to give up a 1st and a 2nd basically for a possible franchise QB... do that deal and don't look back. we can talk about the value of draft picks but this team doesn't need a draft full of starters to get good... they really are only a QB away from contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Moreno is slow, he wont be a home run threat in the NFL. I think he'll be an average back with some shifty moves but he's not exceptional at anything, much like our current starting RB. This is going to come as quite a surprise, but you're really not the only one who knows that Moreno isn't fast. Everybody knows he ran 4.68 and everybody has him in the first round anyway. Your conclusion that we're all just dumb seems reasonable, but you might also want to consider that maybe Moreno's skill set - vision, balance, hands, and ability to set up defenders in limited space - is in fact exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 This is going to come as quite a surprise, but you're really not the only one who knows that Moreno isn't fast. Everybody knows he ran 4.68 and everybody has him in the first round anyway. Your conclusion that we're all just dumb seems reasonable, but you might also want to consider that maybe Moreno's skill set - vision, balance, hands, and ability to set up defenders in limited space - is in fact exceptional. Moreno is good IJ just looks at freaking times He will be a star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 This is going to come as quite a surprise, but you're really not the only one who knows that Moreno isn't fast. Everybody knows he ran 4.68 and everybody has him in the first round anyway. Your conclusion that we're all just dumb seems reasonable, but you might also want to consider that maybe Moreno's skill set - vision, balance, hands, and ability to set up defenders in limited space - is in fact exceptional. Blasphemy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 ... they really are only a QB away from contention. And drafting Sanchez would ensure that it stays that way. I'm just not real clear on why that would be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If we are intent on not trading for anm established WR, then Robiskie is who I want as well. Most pro ready, and can probably slide down and still grab him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 And drafting Sanchez would ensure that it stays that way. I'm just not real clear on why that would be a good thing. you are underrating Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Clemens still stinks. Ratty isn't much better. The Jets have to give up a 1st and a 2nd basically for a possible franchise QB... do that deal and don't look back. we can talk about the value of draft picks but this team doesn't need a draft full of starters to get good... they really are only a QB away from contention. I Sanchez comes here after a trade up and starts year 1 with this ****ty group of WR's he will fail miserably.. I like Sanchez as a prospect a lot mind you, but that has disaster written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 This is going to come as quite a surprise, but you're really not the only one who knows that Moreno isn't fast. Everybody knows he ran 4.68 and everybody has him in the first round anyway. Your conclusion that we're all just dumb seems reasonable, but you might also want to consider that maybe Moreno's skill set - vision, balance, hands, and ability to set up defenders in limited space - is in fact exceptional. Moreno is good IJ just looks at freaking times He will be a star He is good, but I'm not in love with him. If the fact that everybody has him in the first round despite being slow means he is exceptional, doesn't the fact that NOBODY has him at the top of the round mean they don't think he's so likely to be a star? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 you are underrating Sanchez. What happened to not liking short QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If we go Moreno, I may cry. So will I... tears of joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 What happened to not liking short QB's? if he were 6'5" he'd go 1 overall... it's not ideal but if he were ideal he wouldn't be available. Chicken/egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Moreno is slow, he wont be a home run threat in the NFL. I think he'll be an average back with some shifty moves but he's not exceptional at anything, much like our current starting RB. I honestly believe that Moreno would be a wasted pick. Jerry Rice ran the 40 in about the same amount of time. Was he a wasted pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 if he were 6'5" he'd go 1 overall... it's not ideal but if he were ideal he wouldn't be available. Chicken/egg. Dude, Clemens is a 1/2 inch shorter and you wrote him off in his first preseason game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 This is going to come as quite a surprise, but you're really not the only one who knows that Moreno isn't fast. Everybody knows he ran 4.68 and everybody has him in the first round anyway. Your conclusion that we're all just dumb seems reasonable, but you might also want to consider that maybe Moreno's skill set - vision, balance, hands, and ability to set up defenders in limited space - is in fact exceptional. PWNG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Also, trading up for Sanchez pretty much ensures that no 2009 Jet draft pick will have an impact in 2009 unless the 3rd or 6th/7th rounder surprises. The Jets will have 2 years in a row with no impact from their 1st rounder. This increases the Jets chances of having a top 10 pick in the 2010 draft. So lo and behold, the Jets draft Sanchez, get a top 10 pick next year, and have an ability to drafted a better QB but can't because they drafted Sanchez. That would be the Jets luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Also, trading up for Sanchez pretty much ensures that no 2009 Jet draft pick will have an impact in 2009 unless the 3rd or 6th/7th rounder surprises. The Jets will have 2 years in a row with no impact from their 1st rounder. This increases the Jets chances of having a top 10 pick in the 2010 draft. So lo and behold, the Jets draft Sanchez, get a top 10 pick next year, and have an ability to drafted a better QB but can't because they drafted Sanchez. That would be the Jets luck. I like where you are going with this, and it is our luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 'Cus Irish has alchohol poisoning from drinking too much. Go steal a bicycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Go steal a bicycle. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Clemens still stinks. Ratty isn't much better. The Jets have to give up a 1st and a 2nd basically for a possible franchise QB... do that deal and don't look back. we can talk about the value of draft picks but this team doesn't need a draft full of starters to get good... they really are only a QB away from contention. Is he a franchise QB? Is that a reasonable expectation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Is he a franchise QB? Is that a reasonable expectation? Is that a rhetorical question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 This is going to come as quite a surprise, but you're really not the only one who knows that Moreno isn't fast. Everybody knows he ran 4.68 and everybody has him in the first round anyway. Your conclusion that we're all just dumb seems reasonable, but you might also want to consider that maybe Moreno's skill set - vision, balance, hands, and ability to set up defenders in limited space - is in fact exceptional. Seriously GFY! Where the **** did I ever say that? Am I not allowed to form an opinion of the guy? Just like everyone else? No, because I disagree with the popular opinion means I'm obviously just talking ****. Right. You are the same guy that rules out Sanchez as a prospect, yet when I do it (Which to be honest I'm not, I've not ruled Moreno out like you have Sanchez, just don't like him) to a guy that you like you start spewing out BS like this. I guess people who like Sanchez are "dumb" too? Am I right? Know one really knows you those "exceptional skills" will translate to the NFL. Reggie Bush was said to have all of those qualities you listed and then some. Is he an "exceptional" running back? I'm not dooming him to the same fate ignorantly like you seem to think I am, just pointing out that neither you or I are in a position to rule out ANY prospect at this point. So I don't rule out Moreno, I'm just not having kittens over the guy like some are. I'm genuinely worried about how that speed will translate to the NFL and hence don't want the Jets to have any part of him. Again if you don't like my opinion, I don't care- Feel free to disagree. But don't start accusing me of BS like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Jerry Rice ran the 40 in about the same amount of time. Was he a wasted pick? Good point, hey, I never saw it before. Moreno = Jerry Rice. It's so clear now. We should move him to WR as soon as we draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afinogenov Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i'd be very surprised if the Jets first round pick wasn't on this list: QB Mark Sanchez (trade up) WR Jeremy Maclin RB Knowshon Moreno RB Beanie Wells TE Brandon Pettigrew (trade down?) I could also include the following players but are highly unlikely to be there: WR Michael Crabtree DT BJ Raji DE Tyson Jackson DB Malcolm Jenkins If the Jets first round draft pick isn't in this post I'd be shocked. How do you feel about Darrius Heyward-Bey? Personally I think that DHB is the guy that the Jets are going to pick, and was surprised to not see him on your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 if he were 6'5" he'd go 1 overall... it's not ideal but if he were ideal he wouldn't be available. Chicken/egg. I'll tell you what Bit I like the way Sanchez throws over Stafford. Also, watching USC film is almost like watching the pro game-kind of the way UM used to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dude, Clemens is a 1/2 inch shorter and you wrote him off in his first preseason game.. He also wrote Sanchez off in the middle of last season, such is the convenience of switching websites I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I'll tell you what Bit I like the way Sanchez throws over Stafford. Also, watching USC film is almost like watching the pro game-kind of the way UM used to be Thats partly why i like him as the Jets pick too. He throws a better ball and looks like the better QB IMO. Hopefully you guys get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Seriously GFY! Where the **** did I ever say that? Am I not allowed to form an opinion of the guy? Just like everyone else? No, because I disagree with the popular opinion means I'm obviously just talking ****. Right. You are the same guy that rules out Sanchez as a prospect, yet when I do it (Which to be honest I'm not, I've not ruled Moreno out like you have Sanchez, just don't like him) to a guy that you like you start spewing out BS like this. I guess people who like Sanchez are "dumb" too? Am I right? Know one really knows you those "exceptional skills" will translate to the NFL. Reggie Bush was said to have all of those qualities you listed and then some. Is he an "exceptional" running back? I'm not dooming him to the same fate ignorantly like you seem to think I am, just pointing out that neither you or I are in a position to rule out ANY prospect at this point. So I don't rule out Moreno, I'm just not having kittens over the guy like some are. I'm genuinely worried about how that speed will translate to the NFL and hence don't want the Jets to have any part of him. Again if you don't like my opinion, I don't care- Feel free to disagree. But don't start accusing me of BS like that. I have to admit, as much of a tool as Aten is, it never gets old watching him draw out the long-winded, frustrated rants out of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 He also wrote Sanchez off in the middle of last season, such is the convenience of switching websites I guess. hahaha.. Hey, Sanchez is by far my favorite QB in this draft. I know you are high on him, but do you think this current plan is a good one? My gut tells me if we do this he plays this season and basically implodes. Unless he's some kind of savant, I can't see him being anywhere ready for the NFL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 trading down and getting pettigrew would be cool. I've totally changed my mind on him, but still don't want to take him at 17 I think we will trade down, and try to take petti or DHB or nicks I think harvin is off the board now with the weed bust reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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