Bowles is the biggest part of the problem, not the solution.

[DonCorleone]

Todd Bowles not concerned with Jets' tardiness: 'Sometimes you're late to work'

 

New York Jets head coach Todd Bowles on the sideline as the Jets beat the Bills, 30-10, in the final game of the 2016 season. 1/1/17 (Andrew Mills | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com)

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By Connor Hughes | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com 
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on March 29, 2017 at 10:45 AM, updated March 29, 2017 at 10:46 AM

 

 

 

PHOENIX -- The Jets were a mess in 2016. There's no other way to put. But it wasn't just on the field where they had their struggles. Off it, things were just as ugly. 

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Among the many, many issues -- locker room turmoil, drama, lack-of leadership -- the Jets dealt with a perceived lack of accountability. Two of the their best players -- defensive ends Muhammad Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson -- made it a habit of showing up late to meetings. 

Is coach Todd Bowles worried about his team's alleged issue with tardiness?

"It's part of it," Bowles said at the NFL owners meeting on Tuesday. "Sometimes you're late to work. It's life. It's not life threatening ... Sometimes your alarm clock isn't going to go off."

Bowles is a former player. He coaches his team as such. He knows things are going to come up with his guys, understands things from their point of view, as is lenient where others are overly strict. He may come from the Bill Parcells coaching tree, but he's not like the ex-Giant coach's other disciple, Tom Coughlin. 

 

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He has a defensive background.

Despite missing a team walkthrough before a game against the Ravens, Wilkerson wasn't docked game time another two weeks. The repeated absences and lateness eventually led to his, and Richardson's, first quarter benching in Week 9. 

"Those guys, after that, were sharp," Bowles said. "They were fine. We didn't have a problem with them after that."

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Wilkerson and Richardson were two players believed to be leaders. Regular tardiness isn't the best way to lead by example. With guys like cornerback Darrelle Revis, receiver Brandon Marshall and quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick now gone, the Jets are running a bit low on guys others can follow. 

There's defensive end Leonard Williams, but he's overshadowed in a meeting room with Wilkerson and Richardson. There's left tackle Kelvin Beachum and quarterback Josh McCown, but they were just signed. Receiver Robby Anderson is heading into just his second year. 

 

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The Jets signed Josh McCown, and also have Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty.

Still, Bowles believes it will work itself out. 

"I think a bunch [of younger guys] have the leadership qualities," Bowles said. "It's just about saying it at the right time. You can't force a leader. You can train them, some of them are naturally gifted, but you step up as you see fit. 

"We have about 15 of them that I'm pretty sure can lead." 

Connor Hughes may be reached at chughes@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @Connor_J_Hughes. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook.

[smaxor5]

Yeah that was just an awful answer to that question.  It may ultimately have nothing to do with how he disciplines his players but the optics are just horrible...feeds right into the "sh*t is out of control" narrative.  He has to be better about perception.

[UnitedWhofans]

He'll have one last chance to prove his worth. If he doesn't, then he goes. Pure and simple

[DonCorleone]

20 minutes ago, smaxor5 said:

Yeah that was just an awful answer to that question.  It may ultimately have nothing to do with how he disciplines his players but the optics are just horrible...feeds right into the "sh*t is out of control" narrative.  He has to be better about perception.

Agreed.

[southparkcpa]

21 minutes ago, smaxor5 said:

Yeah that was just an awful answer to that question.  It may ultimately have nothing to do with how he disciplines his players but the optics are just horrible...feeds right into the "sh*t is out of control" narrative.  He has to be better about perception.

It goes to our MORON owner.  A real businessman would figure out Bowles is an empty skulled nitwit.

Yet Woody hired him.  Another DC who fooled our Owner.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

It goes to our MORON owner.  A real businessman would figure out Bowles is an empty skulled nitwit.

Yet Woody hired him.  Another DC who fooled our Owner.

The reason you get stuck with a Bowles and Idzik and Maccagnan and Rex is because no one with options wants to work here because the owner is an idiot.

[Tinstar]

Leon Hess was the problem

Walt Michaels was the problem

Coslett was the Problem

Parcells was the savior

Woody Johnson is the problem

Herm was the problem

Some where along the way, every GM, or HC and even some execs was the problem. Would anyone care to believe what hasn't change in all this .  Fans calling for change and making threats if their demands aren't met . Planes flying over the practice fields with messages, billboards and the filling of the airways with their anger . 40 years, and the only constant is the misery of the fans and change .   

What's the definition of insanity again ?

 

[Beerfish]

You simply cannot have a coach and GM on equal footing unless the coach has won the big one in the past.  Like Idzik Mac is saddle iwth a guy who is not 'his guy' and like Idzik, Rex had an 8-8 year that made it tough to get rid of him.

Bowles thinks he is being a tough coach but also a players coach by deflecting stuff away from some players but in reality it seems these guys are walking all over him.

He is also either dumb and naive or a bad liar, I don't think he is that dumb but he is a bad liar.  Saying after a couple of our worst games last year that the effort was there but not the execution and seeing highlights of players out right loafing makes him look like he has no idea what he is talking about.

[UnitedWhofans]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The reason you get stuck with a Bowles and Idzik Maccagnan and Rex is because no one with options wants to work here because the owner is an idiot.

To be fair, Jim Irsay and AL Davis were idiots too. And Dan Snyder.

[The Crusher]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The reason you get stuck with a Bowles and Idzik Maccagnan and Rex is because no one with options wants to work here because the owner is an idiot.

 

[j4jets]

13 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Leon Hess was the problem

Walt Michaels was the problem

Coslett was the Problem

Parcells was the savior

Woody Johnson is the problem

Herm was the problem

Some where along the way, every GM, or HC and even some execs was the problem. Would anyone care to believe what hasn't change in all this .  Fans calling for change and making threats if their demands aren't met . Planes flying over the practice fields with messages, billboards and the filling of the airways with their anger . 40 years, and the only constant is the misery of the fans and change .   

What's the definition of insanity again ?

 

Wait wait wait, Bill Parcells was the savior? 

[T0mShane]

53 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

What's the definition of insanity again ?

 

 

Blaming the customer for your objectively sh*tty product.

[UnitedWhofans]

The problem essentially comes back to this. Rookie head coaches in New York are usually not a good idea, in any sport. Even the Giants have had problems with this. Bill Parcells was on the chopping block after his first couple of years with the Giants.

Being a rookie head coach requires patience for learning and New York sports culture doesn't allow that patience

. 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, T0mShane said:

 

Blaming the customer for your objectively sh*tty product.

The reason it fits in this situation is that you have an owner who listens too much to the fanbase and at some points acquiesces to placate them

It is the synergy of idiocy. 

[Beerfish]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The reason it fits in this situation is that you have an owner who listens too much to the fanbase and at some points acquiesces to placate them

It is the synergy of idiocy. 

He's not listening to me and not placating me.  I also think this whole he is dong stuff to please the an base is bullsh*t.  He's doing what he thinks is right to bring a winning team, he is just going about it the wrong way.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The reason it fits in this situation is that you have an owner who listens too much to the fanbase and at some points acquiesces to placate them

It is the synergy of idiocy. 

I'm going to punch you in the face and blame the Jets and this will be synergy.

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, Tinstar said:

What's the definition of insanity again?

A delusion that fans are the reason the team sucks?

[dbatesman]

5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The problem essentially comes back to this. Rookie head coaches in New York are usually not a good idea, in any sport. Even the Giants have had problems with this. Bill Parcells was on the chopping block after his first couple of years with the Giants.

Being a rookie head coach requires patience for learning and New York sports culture doesn't allow that patience

I wonder why we never hire a guy with experience

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, dbatesman said:

I wonder why we never hire a guy with experience

Back to the owner.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, gEYno said:

A delusion that fans are the reason the team sucks?

They are not "the" reason

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

I wonder why we never hire a guy with experience

Biggest mistake was not going with Marrone. It seemed like they had him in their pocket, and now he and Coughlin will do big things in Jacksonville. Just watch

 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

Biggest mistake was not going with Marrone. It seemed like they had him in their pocket, and now he and Coughlin will do big things in Jacksonville. Just watch

 

And why didn't they go with him? Because a pissy hack reporter wrote a vengeful article that got people worried and thus worried the owner. 

[dbatesman]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

Biggest mistake was not going with Marrone. It seemed like they had him in their pocket, and now he and Coughlin will do big things in Jacksonville. Just watch

 

Agreed. I have no idea if he would have built a winner here, but at least we know he wouldn't have sh*t the bed the way Bowles has. Given his reaction to the Watkins trade, maybe he could have talked Maccagnan's big stupid ass out of some of those pick-for-veteran swaps too.

[UnitedWhofans]

2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Agreed. I have no idea if he would have built a winner here, but at least we know he wouldn't have sh*t the bed the way Bowles has. Given his reaction to the Watkins trade, maybe he could have talked Maccagnan's big stupid ass out of some of those pick-for-veteran swaps too.

I assume you mean in the locker room because his record after 2 years is about .500. And that doesn't really scream "sh*tting the bed"

[#27TheDominator]

We're almost .500!!!

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

We're almost .500!!!

You actually think I am celebrating that? Stop it.

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Tinstar said:

Leon Hess was the problem

Walt Michaels was the problem

Coslett was the Problem

Parcells was the savior

Woody Johnson is the problem

Herm was the problem

Some where along the way, every GM, or HC and even some execs was the problem. Would anyone care to believe what hasn't change in all this .  Fans calling for change and making threats if their demands aren't met . Planes flying over the practice fields with messages, billboards and the filling of the airways with their anger . 40 years, and the only constant is the misery of the fans and change .   

What's the definition of insanity again ?

 

 

On some level, expectations are a problem.

Why does anyone believe that this team is just a coach or a draft pick away from greatness? 

Maybe because it's like the only shred of hope that logically results in a championship. But it's a thin damn shred you guys. 

 

[Tinstar]

10 minutes ago, gEYno said:

A delusion that fans are the reason the team sucks?

By itself, yes, that could be insanity, but a lynch mob is started by 1 big mouth, that convinces weak people to join him and in the end, someone usually end up hung  .  I know who the victim is,  so who are you in the mob ?

The mob is forming, the prisoner is in Jail and guess what, the lawman is heading out of town .

[#27TheDominator]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

You actually think I am celebrating that? Stop it.

I'm not sure.  Maybe you would celebrate if he was actually .500 and not just "almost" .500.

[Jet Life]

1 hour ago, Tinstar said:

Leon Hess was the problem

Walt Michaels was the problem

Coslett was the Problem

Parcells was the savior

Woody Johnson is the problem

Herm was the problem

Some where along the way, every GM, or HC and even some execs was the problem. Would anyone care to believe what hasn't change in all this .  Fans calling for change and making threats if their demands aren't met . Planes flying over the practice fields with messages, billboards and the filling of the airways with their anger . 40 years, and the only constant is the misery of the fans and change .   

What's the definition of insanity again ?

 

Fans are why Bowles stinks??

[UnitedWhofans]

8 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I'm not sure.  Maybe you would celebrate if he was actually .500 and not just "almost" .500.

If you read what I said, I'm looking at the definition of "sh*tting the bed". Almost .500 is not sh*tting the bed record-wise. 

sh*tting the bed is crap. Almost .500 is mediocre. Unlike a lot of people here, mediocrity doesn't really scare me because most of the time, the Super Bowl is won by a mediocre team that gets hot and lucky. I don't think last year's Pats team was great, compared to other Pats teams, personnel -wise. But they got hot and they got lucky.

[ZachEY]

18 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

They are not "the" reason

Nor, "a" reason.  That you don't recognize your delusion, doesn't change anything.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Jet Life said:

Fans are why Bowles stinks??

Here's the thinking.

Fans want instant gratification. Woody wants fans and media to like him so he makes decisions to placate fans in the short term. And usually they fall apart in the long term.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, gEYno said:

Nor, "a" reason.  That you don't recognize your delusion, doesn't change anything.

When multiple people have this delusion, is it a delusion?  The delusion used to be that the world was round.

[ZachEY]

4 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

By itself, yes, that could be insanity, but a lynch mob is started by 1 big mouth, that convinces weak people to join him and in the end, someone usually end up hung  .  I know who the victim is,  so who are you in the mob ?

The mob is forming, the prisoner is in Jail and guess what, the lawman is heading out of town .

Ok, so, the definition of insanity is probably this post.