Off Day Thoughts

[#27TheDominator]

44 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

uh oh, another one of those there interwebz tough guys.

Aren't you worried? PEDs apparently do it all. 

[NoBowles]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

Winner winner chicken dinner

Bowles is not a moron. He's not starting McCown cause he's dumb. It's cause Hack holds the ball for 10 minutes and has taken a bazillion sacks since training camp started. 

Shocking that a guy learning a new offense, playing with young, inexperienced receivers, also learning a new offense, is holding the ball too long. I'm appalled and now realize that the "experts" were right all along.

[jetspenguin]

11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Exactly. You can't judge Geno until has has a HOF player at every position on the offense.

lets not do the Geno comparision.......Geno had a 10 dollar arm and a 2 cent head.....not even close. 

[jetspenguin]

12 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Exactly. You can't judge Geno until has has a HOF player at every position on the offense.

ok i will spell it out.....

1. pourus line blocking

2. zip at wr

3. new system no one has ever seen or played in before

4. new, never been before OC calling the plays

Do you not recognize the challenges here for a young QB much less a savvy vet? we are not talking about ridiculous claims of hall of fame players..just some basic common sense. 

[#27TheDominator]

Nobody has ever seen or played for Marty Mornhinweg before? Or were you talking about Hackenberg?

[jetspenguin]

not sure if you were referring to my post or another?

[NoBowles]

27 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Aren't you worried? PEDs apparently do it all. 

Im horrified, absolutely terrified, shaking in my boots. I pissed myself when I read your post. Please stop being mean.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

Winner winner chicken dinner

Bowles is not a moron. He's not starting McCown cause he's dumb. It's cause Hack holds the ball for 10 minutes and has taken a bazillion sacks since training camp started. 

And youve seen this when exactly?  Or any proof, quotes, etc where Bowles has named McCown the starter.  Given how Hack has outplayed him, that would make loads of sense today.

A bazillion?  LOL, keep hating

[NYs Stepchild]

2 hours ago, Awesumtenor said:

I have loss weight too; with every Jets loss I drank more beer and put on more weight...

That's why I switched to Vodka right out the bottle. 

Works quicker, cheaper and helps me keep my girlish figure.

[NYs Stepchild]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

Under Bowles if McClown starts game 1, he will never be removed other than for injury. 

This is Bowles M.O. If he can't see that being competitive is not end all be all then he hasn't learned a damn thing. When you're stuck at mediocre then you need to make changes. That usually leads to getting worse before you get better. 

I can be patient with the players, but not the coaches. If the light doesn't come on for Bowles this year I'm all for firing his ass in week 3. If he hasn't got the stones to be a HC then he's got to go. See point #1. First change we make may need to be the HC. 

Thankfully he doesn't actually coach anyone, or call plays so it should be an easy interim switch to make.  

[Lupz27]

4 hours ago, johnnysd said:

My concern after listening to Bowles on SiriusXM yesterday is that he is clearly behind McCown at this point. Kirwan got Bowles to open up more about the QB competition and although he said largely the same "it will work itself out" rhetoric he also said that field performance is not the only criteria and then listed off several things that pretty much any veteran QB would have over Hack and Petty. I get the feeling we may be looking at the QB competition upside down with Bowles, in that I think that Hack cannot really "win" the QB competition because even if he outplays McClown, Bowles will give the starting role to McClown as long as he looks competent. For Hack to actually start I think that in Bowles mind not only does Hack have to win it, but because of the other veteran factors he values at QB, McClown will actually have to fall on his face in the preseason and preseason games. Bowles is going to repeat the errors of the past.

On the QB competition, a couple of the players seemed to favor Petty over the other 2 which I thought was interesting, especially Sheldon who clearly thinks Petty should start.

W

 

Bowles thinks this is 1981 with QB's he is a clown.

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, ASH1962 said:

Wait, they are in camp for 5 days and already need a day off? LOL, they have been off for the last 8 months ...

Per CBA. 

[Jet Nut]

43 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

This is Bowles M.O. If he can't see that being competitive is not end all be all then he hasn't learned a damn thing. When you're stuck at mediocre then you need to make changes. That usually leads to getting worse before you get better. 

I can be patient with the players, but not the coaches. If the light doesn't come on for Bowles this year I'm all for firing his ass in week 3. If he hasn't got the stones to be a HC then he's got to go. See point #1. First change we make may need to be the HC. 

Thankfully he doesn't actually coach anyone, or call plays so it should be an easy interim switch to make.  

This is one of those comments that have been made about every HC we've had since the dawn of the internet.  When has Bowles refused to make changes?  When he left Fitz in for a game or two too long?  With Geno & Petty as his only real options?  Which position players hasnt he moved, changed approaches with where you can point to a change should have been made.  Its one of those blanket statements that doesnt take into account every HC will go with the guy who has proven hes capable over an unknown at least for a little bit of time

[BurnleyJet]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

Bowles thinks this is 1981 with QB's he is a clown.

What week will he be "Releaved of Coaching duties?"

[Tinstar]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

Bowles thinks this is 1981 with QB's he is a clown.

Question, Is there any chance that Josh McCown's presence on the roster has had some effect on the development Christian Hackenberg has shown  ?  Why don't we all wait until the 3rd preseason game before we start calling people names . 4 Months ago, some were saying that Hackenberg would never throw a pass for the Jets and was a mistake by Mac who wasted a daft pick on him .  Today Bowles is a moron for not giving him all the 1st team reps. Somewhere in the middle of all that stupidity, someone appears to be doing something right if this kid is showing progress .

[Charlie Brown]

50 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Question, Is there any chance that Josh McCown's presence on the roster has had some effect on the development Christian Hackenberg has shown  ?  Why don't we all wait until the 3rd preseason game before we start calling people names . 4 Months ago, some were saying that Hackenberg would never throw a pass for the Jets and was a mistake by Mac who wasted a daft pick on him .  Today Bowles is a moron for not giving him all the 1st team reps. Somewhere in the middle of all that stupidity, someone appears to be doing something right if this kid is showing progress .

Thank you;  a sound and sane post!!

[Gas2No99]

Jets' secondary bonding as training camp rolls on

Juston Burris runs a drill as the New York Jets hold their first football practice of training camp. 7/29/17 Florham Park, N.J. (John Munson | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com)

FLORHAM PARK -- It's near impossible to ignore. Spend 15 minutes watching a Jets training camp practice, and you're sure to hear some member of the secondary.

Maybe it's a little trash talk to a receiver. Could be words of encouragement shouted to a teammate. Sometimes it's a riotous combination of vowels which don't actually amount to a word in the English language.

Every day it's something new. But one thing's undeniable: The unit is having fun.

"We're such a tight-knit group," cornerback Juston Burris told NJ Advance Media. "We're so close."

The Jets are among the league's youngest teams, thanks to general manager Mike Maccagnan's roster purge which claimed the roster spots of veterans like a plague. While some see the youth movement as a negative, those on the roster insist it has brought the team closer. And no positional group is a better example than the secondary.

At practice, the players on the field mob whoever accomplishes even the slightest achievement. It's not to make a mockery of the offense, but because they're genuinely happy for whoever stepped up. As for those on the sideline? They're involved in the fun, too. They'll hoot and holler for each pass breakup. If there's an interception, they'll escort whoever picks the ball off to the end zone like a caravan.

Unlike last year, where so many on the Jets roster were focused on off-field endeavors, Burris says this group spends countless time together. They're not just teammates. They're friends. And their closeness in age undoubtedly helps.

Starting safeties Marcus Maye and Jamal Adams, both rookies, are 24 and 21 respectively. Cornerback Morris Claiborne is 27, Buster Skrine 28, and Burris 23. Behind them isn't a player older than 28. Even secondary coach Denard Wilson is just 35.

"How old do you have to be to win?" coach Todd Bowles said. "I ask those guys that every day. Rookies, second-year guys, third-year guys. There is no set quota on being old enough in the league to win ballgames, so we expect them to be just as good as they are when we put them out there."

 

 

Through four camp practices, the secondary has impressed. They're much more athletic than last year, and have played with a renewed sense of confidence. Of course, many believe this likely has to do with the Jets' lackluster offense.

Those in the secondary have heard said criticism. They know most don't believe they'll be very good once the regular season starts.

And they're not running from that. They're owning it. In fact, it's become a bit of a rallying cry.

"We know people aren't giving us a chance," Burris said. "But we'll show them once the pads come on; the lights come on. By the end of the season, they'll know how good we are."

[Gas2No99]

Jets' Buster Skrine says Jamal Adams, Marcus Maye 'an upgrade' at safety

Buster Skrine really likes Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye. (AP Photo | Bill Kostroun)

FLORHAM PARK -- The Jets got very little game-changing production from their safeties, Calvin Pryor and Marcus Gilchrist, last year. 

While cornerback Buster Skrine didn't trash either guy, he believes the team's new duo -- rookies Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye -- will be "an upgrade" from Pryor and Gilchrist.

"They're very smart," Skrine told NJ Advance Media this week at training camp. "They're athletic. They can cover the field on the deep ball. They're better than a lot of safeties I've already played with in my career. Do I think they'll be an upgrade? Yeah, they'll be an upgrade. Both of them are really good. They're an upgrade." 

Skrine is entering his third season with the Jets. He played for the Browns from 2011-14. So he hasn't exactly played on a lot of outstanding teams. But he really likes Adams (a first-round draft pick) and Maye (a second-rounder). 

"They're extremely athletic," Skrine said. "They're both students of the game. I've got a lot of respect for them. Not saying our safeties were bad last year. I'm just saying they're really good."

Skrine is being kind here. The Jets' safeties were not good last year. The organization traded Pryor to the Browns this offseason, and also cut Gilchrist, who sustained a serious knee injury late last season. Both moves were made after the Jets drafted Adams and Maye.

The Jets hope Adams and Maye can be their safety duo of the future, as the team rebuilds with younger players. And Skrine believes both players have big potential, as they step into starting roles as rookies -- no easy task for safeties. 

"Jamal is the most athletic strong safety I've seen -- and coverage-wise," Skrine said. "He can do it all. He can move and he can guard a receiver. He can guard any tight end." 

[Gas2No99]

Jets' Austin Seferian-Jenkins vs. Jamal Adams is training camp's top battle

One of the best position battles at Jets training camp is rookie safety Jamal Adams vs. tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins. (John Munson | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com)

FLORHAM PARK -- It doesn't happen often -- maybe once or twice a day -- but when it does, all eyes are glued on the two Jets players.

Austin Seferian-Jenkins lines up at tight end. Rookie safety Jamal Adams over top. On the snap, the two fiercely go at it. Seferian-Jenkins works to break free, Adams covers his every move. When the ball's in the air, it's anyone's guess who comes down with it.

It's spirited. It's fun. It's intense.

It's been arguably the most competitive 1-on-1 matchup at Jets training camp.

"Every single time we got at it against each other," Seferian-Jenkins said. "We know we're making each other better."

The Adams-ASJ battle first kicked off in organized team activities in the spring. It continued throughout minicamp, and now into training camp. The two players have been arguably the most impressive on their units, and they relish the opportunity to face off. It's quite the matchup, too.

Seferian-Jenkins is a big-bodied pass-catcher who specializes in stretching the field. Adams, while at LSU, was tasked with covering running backs, tight ends and slot receivers frequently, so he has been up to the challenge. He's the only Jets defender to show an ability to limit Seferian-Jenkins' productivity.

"It's really a treat to go against him every single day," Seferian-Jenkins said. "He's really good. He's going to be a really good football player. He studies. He works hard. He's smart. He's good to compete against. I love competing against him. He's going to get me ready for Sundays."

 

 

But it goes both ways. Seferian-Jenkins, who lost 33 pounds in the offseason, is 6-6 and weighs 262. That's similar to the Patriots' Rob Gronkowski (6-6, 263), Bills' Charles Clay (6-3, 255) and Dolphins' Julius Thomas (6-5, 262), all of whom, barring injury, Adams will face twice in the regular season.

If Adams can handle Seferian-Jenkins, it could make facing the likes of those guys easier.

"He's a phenomenal player," Adams said. "A great person off the field as well. He's going to be a target for us. It's just competitive juices. When you're on the field, you have no friends. You just go at it. Make each other better."

And so far, they have.

[Maxman]

6 hours ago, johnnysd said:

On the QB competition, a couple of the players seemed to favor Petty over the other 2 which I thought was interesting, especially Sheldon who clearly thinks Petty should start.

 

After last season the Jets should have it in the players contracts that they can not publicly comment on the QB. Call it the FitzPatrick Clause.

[JetNation]

The Jets won’t see the field today but here are some thoughts on what has transpired so far. Be sure to read all of our NY Jets Training Camp Reports.

– I believe Lucky Whitehead is leading at the return position.  But can he be effective at the WR position?  Because I don’t think this team can have too
many “one trick ponies”.  He’s getting reps there let’s see what he does in games.

– Team speed on defense is finally no longer a problem.  We’ll see if they can perform effectively or if they’ll just make high speed mistakes.

– Has Demario Davis finally found a position where he can be effective?  So far being the “enforcer” ILB seems to fit him.  He can concentrate on going forward and being physical and not being in space.

– Did the type of demanding coaches Bowles brought in contribute to the veteran purge?  Because the way John Morton & Dennard Wilson can rip into players doesn’t go over well with a 10 year vet.

– Coming off a 5-11 season and the “big name” purge has led to low expectations. But people should keep in mind that name recognition and talent are not synonymous. Perfect example is Revis and Morris Claiborne, there’s no doubt who has the bigger name and better career.  But there is also no doubt who is the more talented player right now.

– I don’t want him to start, but as a team leader and someone who likes to encourage and unite Josh McCown has been excellent.  Always upbeat and looking to raise the level of practice for both sides of the ball.

Click here to read the full story...

[JohnnyLV]

28 minutes ago, Maxman said:

After last season the Jets should have it in the players contracts that they can not publicly comment on the QB. Call it the FitzPatrick Clause.

Lol, cant disagree.

[T0mShane]

7 hours ago, nycdan said:

Not disagreeing with this.  But here's what  I can't reconcile

We're saying Hack, in his second year, isn't ready to start games.  But Winston, Mariota, Carr and Wentz were all good enough to do it in their rookie years (I'm not gonna include Dak because that was forced on DAL by injury).  We've also seen Wilson, Luck and Dalton all do it.  Sure, they all had their rookie issues, but they got 16 games of starting experience in their first season. 

 

So are we then saying that Hack just isn't as good as any of these guys? Or are we saying that Bowles is more conservative than any of those coaches?  Or is there a third answer I'm missing?  

 

Are you not aware of the twelve stages of grief sir

[T0mShane]

7 hours ago, johnnysd said:

On the QB competition, a couple of the players seemed to favor Petty over the other 2 which I thought was interesting, especially Sheldon who clearly thinks Petty should start.

Wait what? This happened?

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Tinstar said:

Question, Is there any chance that Josh McCown's presence on the roster has had some effect on the development Christian Hackenberg has shown  ?  Why don't we all wait until the 3rd preseason game before we start calling people names . 4 Months ago, some were saying that Hackenberg would never throw a pass for the Jets and was a mistake by Mac who wasted a daft pick on him .  Today Bowles is a moron for not giving him all the 1st team reps. Somewhere in the middle of all that stupidity, someone appears to be doing something right if this kid is showing progress .

Todd bowles is not a moron for handing him 1st team reps, he is a moron for declariong for he last 6 months that this is an equal competition he has no starter and all QBs are equal.

[Charlie Brown]

56 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

Jets' Austin Seferian-Jenkins vs. Jamal Adams is training camp's top battle

One of the best position battles at Jets training camp is rookie safety Jamal Adams vs. tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins. (John Munson | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com)

FLORHAM PARK -- It doesn't happen often -- maybe once or twice a day -- but when it does, all eyes are glued on the two Jets players.

Austin Seferian-Jenkins lines up at tight end. Rookie safety Jamal Adams over top. On the snap, the two fiercely go at it. Seferian-Jenkins works to break free, Adams covers his every move. When the ball's in the air, it's anyone's guess who comes down with it.

It's spirited. It's fun. It's intense.

It's been arguably the most competitive 1-on-1 matchup at Jets training camp.

"Every single time we got at it against each other," Seferian-Jenkins said. "We know we're making each other better."

The Adams-ASJ battle first kicked off in organized team activities in the spring. It continued throughout minicamp, and now into training camp. The two players have been arguably the most impressive on their units, and they relish the opportunity to face off. It's quite the matchup, too.

Seferian-Jenkins is a big-bodied pass-catcher who specializes in stretching the field. Adams, while at LSU, was tasked with covering running backs, tight ends and slot receivers frequently, so he has been up to the challenge. He's the only Jets defender to show an ability to limit Seferian-Jenkins' productivity.

"It's really a treat to go against him every single day," Seferian-Jenkins said. "He's really good. He's going to be a really good football player. He studies. He works hard. He's smart. He's good to compete against. I love competing against him. He's going to get me ready for Sundays."

 

 

But it goes both ways. Seferian-Jenkins, who lost 33 pounds in the offseason, is 6-6 and weighs 262. That's similar to the Patriots' Rob Gronkowski (6-6, 263), Bills' Charles Clay (6-3, 255) and Dolphins' Julius Thomas (6-5, 262), all of whom, barring injury, Adams will face twice in the regular season.

If Adams can handle Seferian-Jenkins, it could make facing the likes of those guys easier.

"He's a phenomenal player," Adams said. "A great person off the field as well. He's going to be a target for us. It's just competitive juices. When you're on the field, you have no friends. You just go at it. Make each other better."

And so far, they have.

What a Great Great Article!!!

I love it!!

[Warfish]

9 hours ago, KRL said:

- I believe Lucky Whitehead is leading at the return position.  But can he be
effective at the WR position?  Because I don't think this team can have too
many "one trick ponies".  He's getting reps there let's see what he does in
games

- Team speed on defense is finally no longer a problem.  We'll see if they
can perform effectively or if they'll just make high speed mistakes

- Has Demario Davis finally found a position where he can be effective?  So far
being the "enforcer" ILB seems to fit him.  He can concentrate on going forward
and being physical and not being in space

- Did the type of demanding coaches Bowles brought in contribute to the veteran
purge?  Because the way John Morton & Dennard Wilson can rip into players doesn't
go over well with a 10 year vet

- Coming off a 5-11 season and the "big name" purge has led to low expectations.
But people should keep in mind that name recognition and talent are not synonymous.
Perfect example is Revis and Morris Claiborne, there's no doubt who has the bigger
name and better career.  But there is also no doubt who is the more talented player
right now

I really think you should have a career in Sports Reporting KRL.  You do it well.

[UntouchableCrew]

7 hours ago, nycdan said:

Not disagreeing with this.  But here's what  I can't reconcile

We're saying Hack, in his second year, isn't ready to start games.  But Winston, Mariota, Carr and Wentz were all good enough to do it in their rookie years (I'm not gonna include Dak because that was forced on DAL by injury).  We've also seen Wilson, Luck and Dalton all do it.  Sure, they all had their rookie issues, but they got 16 games of starting experience in their first season. 

 

So are we then saying that Hack just isn't as good as any of these guys? Or are we saying that Bowles is more conservative than any of those coaches?  Or is there a third answer I'm missing?  

 

Yes. Obviously that's what's going on.

[T0mShane]

I am unreasonably fascinated by the suggestion that players on the team prefer Petty to both McCown and Hack. Petty was super-beloved at Baylor, where he played his senior year with a broken bone in his back and could barely move. He wasn't good in limited time last year, but he showed a lot of toughness (especially after getting crushed against the Dolphins and laughing it off. Not saying it's a big deal yet, but it's something to watch during the preseason, how the team responds when he's on the field vs how they play when Hack is out there.

[Lil Woody]

6 hours ago, bitonti said:

Winner winner chicken dinner

Bowles is not a moron. He's not starting McCown cause he's dumb. It's cause Hack holds the ball for 10 minutes and has taken a bazillion sacks since training camp started. 

So because a RS Rookie QB is holding the ball too long, (a totally normal issue for young Qbs) then he's deemed a worse QB than a 15 year journeyman backup?  Something wrong with that logic. McCown is dogsh*t. We know that.  Some here think that Hack is dogsh*t too, but nobody knows anything because there is zero data. So you go with youth and upside over known futility. 

Bowles has proven to be an ultra-conservative, over his head DC playing the role of HC. He wants what every DC wants, a veteran QB to not screw things up for his defense.  If Bowles names McCown the unquestioned Fitzpatrick style starter, Macc needs to step in and IR him the next day.  Bowels is NOT looking out for the interests of the team long term.  Macc needs to be.  Make the HC play the players you want to develop IN A DEVELOPMENT YEAR. 

But there is a lot of grey area that you need to allow the coaches to manage. Ideally, if Hack is in a position to beat out McCown in camp, then he needs to be allowed to do that at the right pace.  And if they need to accelerate that plan by giving him starters reps until he is ready and letting McCown play the bridge role and just go out there and play within the offense and not screw up, fine. McCown will be just as inept with 40% of the reps as he would be with 90%.  It all comes down to if there is an actual plan and if that plan is shared by HC and GM.  If those 2 are working towards opposite goals this will just be another historically inept clusterf*ck for the tabloids to mock us with.

But the concerns with Bowels are totally valid. 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

So because a RS Rookie QB is holding the ball too long, (a totally normal issue for young Qbs) then he's deemed a worse QB than a 15 year journeyman backup?  Something wrong with that logic. McCown is dogsh*t. We know that.  Some here think that Hack is dogsh*t too, but nobody knows anything because there is zero data. So you go with youth and upside over known futility. 

Bowles has proven to be an ultra-conservative, over his head DC playing the role of HC. He wants what every DC wants, a veteran QB to not screw things up for his defense.  If Bowles names McCown the unquestioned Fitzpatrick style starter, Macc needs to step in and IR him the next day.  Bowels is NOT looking out for the interests of the team long term.  Macc needs to be.  Make the HC play the players you want to develop IN A DEVELOPMENT YEAR. 

But there is a lot of grey area that you need to allow the coaches to manage. Ideally, if Hack is in a position to beat out McCown in camp, then he needs to be allowed to do that at the right pace.  And if they need to accelerate that plan by giving him starters reps until he is ready and letting McCown play the bridge role and just go out there and play within the offense and not screw up, fine. McCown will be just as inept with 40% of the reps as he would be with 90%.  It all comes down to if there is an actual plan and if that plan is shared by HC and GM.  If those 2 are working towards opposite goals this will just be another historically inept clusterf*ck for the tabloids to mock us with.

But the concerns with Bowels are totally valid. 

If you want your team to absolutely quit on you, start a QB that makes the OL look bad by holding the ball. If that group gets up in their feelings, you start to get those horrific Kotite-esque bloodlettings every week. 

[dbatesman]

13 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

a RS Rookie QB

(which is totally a thing)

[Lil Woody]

Just now, T0mShane said:

If you want your team to absolutely quit on you, start a QB that makes the OL look bad by holding the ball. If that group gets up in their feelings, you start to get those horrific Kotite-esque bloodlettings every week. 

Well this team has already quit on Bowles, so I'm not sure where they can even go from there. And starting a young QB is a challenge to any OL.  They know they have to play at a higher level to overcome mistakes at the QB position.  Offering them McCown is telling them it's ok to just throw in the towel and mail it in all season. You think those players don't know EXACTLY what kind of season they are in for with McCown under center?  That has a way worse effect on morale than anything else imo.  At least with a young arm you are working towards something.  With a hold the fort QB, you know you are just punting the season before it even starts and making zero traction towards a brighter future.

[Lil Woody]

Just now, dbatesman said:

(which is totally a thing)

Eat sh*t.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Lil Woody said:

Well this team has already quit on Bowles, so I'm not sure where they can even go from there. And starting a young QB is a challenge to any OL.  They know they have to play at a higher level to overcome mistakes at the QB position.  Offering them McCown is telling them it's ok to just throw in the towel and mail it in all season. You think those players don't know EXACTLY what kind of season they are in for with McCown under center?  That has a way worse effect on morale than anything else imo.  At least with a young arm you are working towards something.  With a hold the fort QB, you know you are just punting the season before it even starts and making zero traction towards a brighter future.

I'm not being flip here, because I honestly haven't seen it: have any of Hackemberg's current teammates said anything positive about him? I know Marshall said some stuff after he was cut, but I haven't seen any current teammates (this year or last year) say anything affirming about him.