flgreen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Jets putting Antonio Allen in awkward position OCTOBER 10, 2014 LAST UPDATED: FRIDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2014, 1:21 AM BY J.P. PELZMAN STAFF WRITER THE RECORD FLORHAM PARK – Rex Ryan compared the battle of wits with legendary Denver quarterback Peyton Manning to a chess match, and likened Manning to the late chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer. Continuing with that analogy, third-year defensive back Antonio Allen is one piece Ryan has moved all over the board this season. Allen, drafted in the seventh round in 2012 as a safety, was switched to cornerback on Aug. 11 after cornerbacks Dee Milliner and Dexter McDougle both had been injured the previous day. Allen started at corner in the Jets' first four regular-season games before moving back to safety last week in practice. He started at his old position in the team's 31-0 loss to San Diego on Sunday. Ryan, defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman and Allen all have been cryptic about where he will line up Sunday against the high-powered Denver offense, which has multiple weapons, including tight end Julius Thomas. However, starting cornerback Darrin Walls (knee) was limited in practice Thursday, so the Jets would need someone to play in his place if he can't go or is limited to a certain amount of snaps. "We'll see," Allen said Thursday with a grin when asked which position he will play. But Allen hasn't been all smiles, as he indicated Thursday. "It's difficult, man, but I don't control what goes on," Allen told The Record when asked how hard it is to keep changing positions. "All I can do is just come here and prepare and be ready for work. That's about it. "I mean, it's frustrating, like I said," Allen added, "but I've got a job to do so I can't do much complaining. [i have to] just go out there and get my job done." Was he surprised he was switched back to safety? "I don't even know what to say," he replied. "I mean it is what it is." Both Ryan and Thurman defended the yo-yoing of the still-developing Allen, who seemed to be coming into his own as a safety before the position switch. Allen mostly has played creditably at cornerback, although he allowed a 59-yard touchdown catch by Detroit's Jeremy Ross on Sept. 28. He was moved back to safety to match up against San Diego's Antonio Gates but was beaten twice by him for touchdown receptions. "We were trying to look at our roster, where we can do certain things," Ryan said, explaining why Allen was moved back to safety. "Gates presents an unusual challenge for you when you have a tight end like that. We felt that 'Double A' matched up better. "We know how that worked out," Ryan said with a smile. "But he really gave us our best shot to cover him and obviously that didn't work out so well." "Versatility is something that if you have it, you have to take advantage of it," Thurman said, defending the decision to use Allen at both positions. "What we're trying to do is put our pieces in place to do jobs that we need done. When you look at this young man, he is a talented kid, so we are trying to utilize him the best way to fit our defense, just like an offense would do to try to enhance their offensive capabilities." BRIEFS: Ryan had no problems with backup QB Michael Vick's comments Wednesday, when he implied that he hadn't prepared well enough in practice last week. After the loss to San Diego, Ryan had challenged his players to look in the mirror. "I think that's exactly what Mike's saying," Ryan noted, "that when Mike looked at it he had the guts to say, 'You know what? Maybe I could have done more. I could have prepared better.'" Vick indicated Thursday he could have phrased it better. ILB David Harris (shoulder) sat out practice Thursday for the second consecutive day, but Ryan said he is progressing and that he expects him to play Sunday. The coach also expects former Denver WR Eric Decker (hamstring) to play Sunday. He was limited in practice Thursday. - See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/sports/football/jets-put-allen-in-tough-spot-1.1106653#sthash.UgIxm7ny.dpuf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 I've wondered about this. Allen was starting to look like a pretty good safety. Good enough that he was the teams best CB. That says alot. Now as Milliner comes back they want to move him back to safety, where he belongs, where he has had no snaps. Ouch Leave the kid at safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I think Allen has done at admirable job at CB. The lack of quality players is amazing. Stanford would beat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I've wondered about this. Allen was starting to look like a pretty good safety. Good enough that he was the teams best CB. That says alot. Now as Milliner comes back they want to move him back to safety, where he belongs, where he has had no snaps. Ouch Leave the kid at safety Agreed he looked better at safety. Disagree he was the teams best CB. Week after week he was abused because his coverage skills on WRs is lacking. He can cover TEs well, save for how bad Gates made him look last week. Keep him at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Ryan had no problems with backup QB Michael Vick's comments Wednesday, when he implied that he hadn't prepared well enough in practice last week. After the loss to San Diego, Ryan had challenged his players to look in the mirror. "I think that's exactly what Mike's saying," Ryan noted, "that when Mike looked at it he had the guts to say, 'You know what? Maybe I could have done more. I could have prepared better.'" The Rex Ryan Era, ladies and gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The Rex Ryan Era, ladies and gentlemen. It would help if Idzik signed or drafted a CB that could help. Or if they kept Cromartie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 It would help if Idzik signed or drafted a CB that could help. Or if they kept Cromartie. but Max, think of all that sweet cap space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 It would help if Idzik signed or drafted a CB that could help. Or if they kept Cromartie. Mike Vick would have prepared better if there was a better CB on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The Rex Ryan Era, ladies and gentlemen. Well now rex is stuck. If he suddenly after giving out so many free passes started disciplining players, it would probably cause his entitled players to explode. He made his bed now he must lie in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Well now rex is stuck. If he suddenly after giving out so many free passes started disciplining players, it would probably cause his entitled players to explode. He made his bed now he must lie in it. Typical of players coaches and bad managers everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 All good coaches are sadists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Why did we move him to corner in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Why did we move him to corner in the first place? Why did we make Vlad Ducasse learn 4 positions when he couldn't master one? No idea why this team makes the decision that they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Why is Quentin Coples playing OLB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Yeah the Cromartie that got toasted at CB last year- we should have just stuck with him out of loyalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Mike Vick would have prepared better if there was a better CB on the team? you should actually listen to the press conferences instead of being drawn to sensationalist headlines like a dumb moth. Mike Vick said he knew his words would be twisted but he's trying to take accountability which would hopefully funnel throughout the team. How many times have we heard that guys in the locker room look up to him? If that's true, and he is willing to tell the media he needed to be more prepared, what does that say about their own preparation? It's an obvious motivational ploy by a savvy vet who cares. Only the weak minded like you and your ilk would extrapolate that Vick admitted he doesn't care and isn't trying and that's somehow a condemnation of Rex. use your brain, weakling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Jets don't have enough cover guys to hang with Manning, it's going to get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 you should actually listen to the press conferences instead of being drawn to sensationalist headlines like a dumb moth. Mike Vick said he knew his words would be twisted but he's trying to take accountability which would hopefully funnel throughout the team. How many times have we heard that guys in the locker room look up to him? If that's true, and he is willing to tell the media he needed to be more prepared, what does that say about their own preparation? It's an obvious motivational ploy by a savvy vet who cares. Only the weak minded like you and your ilk would extrapolate that Vick admitted he doesn't care and isn't trying and that's somehow a condemnation of Rex. use your brain, weakling. I'm assuming your post is an obvious motivational ploy by a savvy vet who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 you should actually listen to the press conferences instead of being drawn to sensationalist headlines like a dumb moth. Mike Vick said he knew his words would be twisted but he's trying to take accountability which would hopefully funnel throughout the team. How many times have we heard that guys in the locker room look up to him? If that's true, and he is willing to tell the media he needed to be more prepared, what does that say about their own preparation? It's an obvious motivational ploy by a savvy vet who cares. Only the weak minded like you and your ilk would extrapolate that Vick admitted he doesn't care and isn't trying and that's somehow a condemnation of Rex. use your brain, weakling. We are to assume Michael Vick cares? When did that start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The Rex Ryan Era, ladies and gentlemen. LOL fair enough. Fair enough Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 This is the first time in NFL history a safety was asked to play corner out of necessity because of injury and then asked to go back. What an embarrassment this team is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Rex sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Jets don't have enough cover guys to hang with Manning, it's going to get ugly. pace will shut down julius thomas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Why did we move him to corner in the first place? Why is Quentin Coples playing OLB? This is the first time in NFL history a safety was asked to play corner out of necessity because of injury and then asked to go back. What an embarrassment this team is. Rex's previous ability to put players in multiple spots and have success (like with Adalius Thomas in Baltimore) has been over-done the last couple years. Rather than keep a guy at a position of success he's weakening multiple positions by moving them into uncomfortable roles. Keep Allen at safety and put Coples hand in the dirt, and let the pieces fall where they may at OLB and CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 pace will shut down julius thomas! Truth, but who will stop welkah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I don't see the issue. He covers Gates/Julius Thomas man or a WR man. It's not that much of a yo-yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 you should actually listen to the press conferences instead of being drawn to sensationalist headlines like a dumb moth. Mike Vick said he knew his words would be twisted but he's trying to take accountability which would hopefully funnel throughout the team. How many times have we heard that guys in the locker room look up to him? If that's true, and he is willing to tell the media he needed to be more prepared, what does that say about their own preparation? It's an obvious motivational ploy by a savvy vet who cares. Only the weak minded like you and your ilk would extrapolate that Vick admitted he doesn't care and isn't trying and that's somehow a condemnation of Rex. use your brain, weakling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Truth, but who will stop welkah coples in coverage baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I don't see the issue. He covers Gates/Julius Thomas man or a WR man. It's not that much of a yo-yo. It's crazy man, crazy. Rex has ruined Allen forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Rex's previous ability to put players in multiple spots and have success (like with Adalius Thomas in Baltimore) has been over-done the last couple years. Rather than keep a guy at a position of success he's weakening multiple positions by moving them into uncomfortable roles. Keep Allen at safety and put Coples hand in the dirt, and let the pieces fall where they may at OLB and CB. defensive genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 defensive genius He forgot stuff once he got here after a few years. Happens to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 coples in coverage baby #genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 He forgot stuff once he got here after a few years. Happens to everyone. Or, teams adjusted to the same old schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The guy who is gonna burn us all over the field this week will be Emmanuel Sanders.......we have literally nobody who will keep up with this guy or contain him. Kyle Wilson will be severely exposed this week I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 We are to assume Michael Vick cares? When did that start? Last couple years Vick has been calculated with everything he says in front of a mic. You telling me he nonchalantly said he doesn't care to vultures like Cimini and Mehta without knowing what he was doing? Don't care what any of you guys say... to me it was crystal clear what he was trying to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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