Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I thought Sanchez was supposed to be a brand new player with Philly. Now we're back to square one, where people are making the same exact excuses for him that they did when he was a Jet. If you're constantly costing your team with crippling turnovers, you are not a good QB or even close to good. End of argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Really surprised the Philly papers aren't going all-in on Sanchez today. They're all killing Kelly instead. Because, as you know, bad QB play is all the head coach's fault. so is Chip Kelly still a king maker? Kelly's offense was QB-proof, until he met Mark Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Surprised this argument is still happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Idzik sucks, Rex sucks, Geno sucks, Sanchez sucks. Soon they'll join Sanchez as ex-Jets and we can move on with our lives. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Surprised this argument is still happening... Why is it that surprising? Smash and Pac are JN posters, and as long as they're around, the cycle of bad logic and reasoning regarding ex-Jet QB's will never end. Not to mention, we just brought in a new influx of stupid with the JI migration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Kelly's offense was QB-proof, until he met Mark Sanchez. Has T0m managed to twist Sanchez's underwhelming stay in Philly to be Rex's fault yet? Last I remember Sanchez was going to be dominant with a competent HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 "Run the Sanchez math." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Why is it that surprising? Smash and Pac are JN posters, and as long as they're around, the cycle of bad logic and reasoning regarding ex-Jet QB's will never end. Not to mention, we just brought in a new influx of stupid with the JI migration. Cause at least Pennington didn't turn the ball over a couple of seasons. And had the high completion % every year. These were things to hold onto like security blanket for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 When Rex was working, Mark was minimized. Sooner or later, you can't hide the QB. We saw what happened. I'm not parsing out the stats based on the games we liked. I will however say that during that 'heroic' era, the D rarely gave up over 20 points. At best, you can win games with Sanchez, you're simply not going to win because of him. At least not sustainably. We have plenty of evidence to prove this. Agree competely. Sanchez was great for what Rex was trying to do. When Rex's D and G&P strategies backfired he needed the QB to overperform and that was not going to happen- though with the WR's he had it was inevitable, would have been nice to see him get the chance pre-injury to put it up to a decent group. That said, even in his current state, Mark Sanchez is a servicable NFL QB for a rebuilding project or a decent backup for a non-contender. Since we're in need of both of these roles, if Mark wants to come back, let's embrace him. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 In 2010, Sanchez's QB rating was 75.3. Good for 27th in the league. QB Rating is by no means the end-all-be-all of QB stats, but being 27th, speaks to the fact that you're not a top 10 QB. Also, Mark Sanchez has the highest career INT%, that's INTs per pass, of any active QB. In his 2010, banner season, it was 2.6, which is still not particularly good. And this doesn't include fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Mark Sanchez is a servicable NFL QB for a rebuilding project or a decent backup for a non-contender. Wait... This is what we're arguing over? Sure... Fine... I concede... Lets try to enjoy the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 In 2010, Sanchez's QB rating was 75.3. Good for 27th in the league. QB Rating is by no means the end-all-be-all of QB stats, but being 27th, speaks to the fact that you're not a top 10 QB. Also, Mark Sanchez has the highest career INT%, that's INTs per pass, of any active QB. In his 2010, banner season, it was 2.6, which is still not particularly good. And this doesn't include fumbles. Yeah, but if you cherry pick the outlier games, and then add those up using nothing quantitative and only stupid narrative, he's not so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Sanchez was great for what Rex was trying to do. Again, as EY JUST SAID, no he was not. A turnover-prone QB is an awful match for a coach who is trying to control the clock and play D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Because, as you know, bad QB play is all the head coach's fault. Kelly's offense was QB-proof, until he met Mark Sanchez. What's the best defense to a Chip Kelly offense??? Mark Sanchez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Because, as you know, bad QB play is all the head coach's fault. I was just taken aback by the local media actually taking a coach to task for a loss, I guess. It's almost like they hold Kelly accountable for the entire team, which is unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flushing Roots Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Agree competely. Sanchez was great for what Rex was trying to do. When Rex's D and G&P strategies backfired he needed the QB to overperform and that was not going to happen- though with the WR's he had it was inevitable, would have been nice to see him get the chance pre-injury to put it up to a decent group. That said, even in his current state, Mark Sanchez is a servicable NFL QB for a rebuilding project or a decent backup for a non-contender. Since we're in need of both of these roles, if Mark wants to come back, let's embrace him. SAR I If don't see either of those things happening... wanting to come back and being embraced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Wait... This is what we're arguing over? Sure... Fine... I concede... Lets try to enjoy the game! Yes, it's over. Mark 2014 is what he is, post-injury, in a new system. However, if you want to go a few more rounds about what we did to him in 2011 and 2012 and 2013 I'm still here, head gear and gloves still on. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I was just taken aback by the local media actually taking a coach to task for a loss, I guess. It's almost like they hold Kelly accountable for the entire team, which is unheard of. Meanwhile a terrible QB like Mark Sanchez just skates along never getting blamed. Ever. He's got a sweet little gig going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Again, as EY JUST SAID, no he was not. A turnover-prone QB is an awful match for a coach who is trying to control the clock and play D. He was turnover prone at the beginning (first six games as a rookie) and at the end (no weapons, no G&P) but in the middle, when he had weapons and shook the rookie dust, when we went 16-4, what were his turnover stats then? SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 He was turnover prone at the beginning (first six games as a rookie) and at the end (no weapons, no G&P) but in the middle, when he had weapons and shook the rookie dust, when we went 16-4, what were his turnover stats then? SAR I An short term run of luck.. That is the period where he lead the league in the dropped interceptions stat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 This thread. It's like the Jelly of the Month Club. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 This thread. It's like the Jelly of the Month Club. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Christmas Vacation was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 He was turnover prone at the beginning (first six games as a rookie) and at the end (no weapons, no G&P) but in the middle, when he had weapons and shook the rookie dust, when we went 16-4, what were his turnover stats then? SAR I Too many. He's never had a stretch in his career where he wasn't turning the ball over. I'm not sure which 20 game stretch you're looking at. If it's 2009 into 2010, including the 2009 playoffs, he had 14 picks. If it's 2010 into 2011, I count 17. Way, way too many for a ball control offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 In no revisionist history does Sanchez not suck. Why can't we all just agree that he sucked, always sucked, still sucks, and always will suck. It's SO much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Christmas Vacation was good. Christmas Vacation > Home Alone > Elf In that order. That's how they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Christmas Vacation > Home Alone > Elf In that order. That's how they go. I can agree to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Christmas Vacation > Home Alone > Elf In that order. That's how they go. Bad Santa above all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Bad Santa above all. Coming in hot with the sleeper. I'd say Bad Santa exists somewhere circling those three, unable to be ranked. On any given night I can do Bernie Mac sucking on those oranges over any of the 3. But in terms of consistency and nostalgia, no way. It also doesn't have Pesci doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Bad Santa above all. Die Hard. I win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Die Hard. I win. We're obviously talking about comedies. Not epic cinematic classics. Boobie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 We're obviously talking about comedies. Not epic cinematic classics. Boobie. My bad. Invasion USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Too many. He's never had a stretch in his career where he wasn't turning the ball over. I'm not sure which 20 game stretch you're looking at. If it's 2009 into 2010, including the 2009 playoffs, he had 14 picks. If it's 2010 into 2011, I count 17. Way, way too many for a ball control offense. Geno Smith is the reason the Jets lost today: _____ TRUE _____ FALSE SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Geno Smith is the reason the Jets lost today: _____ TRUE _____ FALSE SAR I Much like the Eagles game... Average play at the QB position and the losing team wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Much like the Eagles game... Average play at the QB position and the losing team wins. Geno Smith is the reason the Jets lost today: _____ TRUE _____ FALSE SAR I Neither true or false. He was however part of the collective stench of the NYJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 My bad. Invasion USA. I'm gonna hit you with so many rights...you'll be begging me for a left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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