Miss Lonelyhearts Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 There are no certainties, I said you'd have to imagine he was expecting Geno to take a step forward. Which is reasonable and actually supports your guy. The opposite, he was expecting Geno to be a disaster, makes him even more culpable. My issue with Idzik is the CB position specifically and overall level of talent on a team with 20M in available cap space. We lost two guys to injuries for which there was no relevant history and the third just lost his sh*t and wandered right off the reservation. Not seeing how this equates to GM doesn't know what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 We lost two guys to injuries for which there was no relevant history and the third just lost his sh*t and wandered right off the reservation. Not seeing how this equates to GM doesn't know what he's doing. Milliner, McDougle and Patterson all had injury history. Milliner was awful outside of Dec. Banking on that trio was a disaster and the results are obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Milliner, McDougle and Patterson all had injury history. Milliner was awful outside of Dec. Banking on that trio was a disaster and the results are obvious. Along with the Brian WInters, Willie Colon, Oday Aboshi combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Milliner, McDougle and Patterson all had injury history. Milliner was awful outside of Dec. Banking on that trio was a disaster and the results are obvious. Don't blame Milliner. Blame our moron HC who thought it was a good idea and all that stuff to put his starting CB out there on the extra point coverage team and all that stuff Monday, WRECKS, you're FIRED and all that stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 The shooooulder bone's connected to the...ACL bone. The shoooulder boneisalso connected to the...aaaachilles bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Just did a quick check. This one thread at JN has 19 posts since midnight. All of the threads at the new JI Scout landing strip combined have 10 Congratulations Max on your win!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Milliner, McDougle and Patterson all had injury history. Milliner was awful outside of Dec. Banking on that trio was a disaster and the results are obvious. Revis had an injury history also. Would that have been any wiser, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Just did a quick check. This one thread at JN has 19 posts since midnight. All of the threads at the new JI Scout landing strip combined have 10 Congratulations Max on your win!!! The last post in the scout hamper was this past monday. W-O-W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Revis had an injury history also. Would that have been any wiser, then? Revis already tore his ACL. And everyone knows that the shoulder-to-leg connection only works up to down when it comes to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I don't understand why people insist on ascribing this level of certainty regarding Geno to Idzik like he was totally banking on the guy and is some big dummy for having done so. The pick was right, slotting him in to start the season was right, and the best alternative the 'not a football guy' lunkheads can come up with is that we were supposed to take some mid-rounder this year that in overwhelming probability would have just been a complete waste. As opposed to the 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders he wound up selecting and cutting from the team? QB was an obvious issue, and not just the starter, but the backups as well. Vick was a one-year rental, and Simms just keeps hanging on because they never take one of those mid-round guys. Most important position on the field, you know you're shaky, you take a chance. Especially with 12 picks to play with, including three 4th rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Don't blame Milliner. Blame our moron HC who thought it was a good idea and all that stuff to put his starting CB out there on the extra point coverage team and all that stuff Monday, WRECKS, you're FIRED and all that stuff I pray, like, you're right, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Revis already tore his ACL. And everyone knows that the shoulder-to-leg connection only works up to down when it comes to injuries. Brittle players are brittle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I don't think Wolf needs Casserly. Seems Woody wants 2 opinions not just 1. Yeah, obviously that's Woody's viewpoint. My point is Casserly might get in Wolf's way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Milliner, McDougle and Patterson all had injury history. Milliner was awful outside of Dec. Banking on that trio was a disaster and the results are obvious. Revis, drc and antion croamtire also have had injury 'histories'. That line of thiniking is normally bs in football a game where you can get hurt at any time. Outside of december is a pretty big comment though as he was a rookie, was awfulk then suddenly was one of the better CB's in the league the last 5 games, that means progress. The Patterson move was bad no doubt about it, injuires aside there was no clear indication before hand that the guy was a nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 So signing players this offseason that can help your team in the present and future was stupid because it wouldn't have matter and thats a smart thing to do? You add talent when you can add talent, period. That's how you get better. So what's the difference this upcoming offseason? Does it matter now? Are the Jets winning next year? Should they spend now? Pretty flawed logic if you ask me. When talent is available and they are going to help the team, you sign them not wait for when it will matter. First, I'm not advocating you spend all the money - just explaining that it could be spent wisely, as too many people are saying we have too much money and couldn't spend it wisely if we wanted to... With that said - even if I was saying they should spend it all in '15 the logic is quite sound - Under the CBA the money has to be sent over the next two years - so you really don't have much of a choice - The logical thing to is continue to hold the money as long as you think can (unless there's someone you really like and fills a specific need - i.e. Decker) - until you figure out your QB situation. Again...Had Geno turned out to be a competent pro the Jets would be in a VERY, VERY good situation going into next year. This roster isn't lacking in talent as many make it out to be...Yes, they need to fill some spots (but have the money to do so) and had a rash of injuries in the position where they were already the thinnest. This is a QB driven league and when you have the WORST in the league, you can NOT win - no matter the talent on your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Yeah, obviously that's Woody's viewpoint. My point is Casserly might get in Wolf's way. I think it's being reported that Casserly went out and got Wolf himself. Who knows if that's right though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Brittle players are brittle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Yeah, obviously that's Woody's viewpoint. My point is Casserly might get in Wolf's way. What? I'd stop reading into this too much and let it play out. These are two longtime football guys. No doubt know one another and probably have some different viewpoints but that's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I think it's being reported that Casserly went out and got Wolf himself. Who knows if that's right though? Woody's doing the right thing by getting people who know people. I'm just concerned that Casserly will try to keep Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Woody's doing the right thing by getting people who know people. I'm just concerned that Casserly will try to keep Rex. I would venture to guess Rex is let go, but bringing in an advisor who said Rex should have won coach of the year last season and has no talent to work with this season was the best scenario Rex could have hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Along with the Brian WInters, Willie Colon, Oday Aboshi combo Let's not place all blame on one area. Maybe the OL Coach sucks. And the QB plays into protection breakdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Woody's doing the right thing by getting people who know people. I'm just concerned that Casserly will try to keep Rex. Casserly acknowledged in that article posted in one of these threads that maybe players are coached up properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Casserly acknowledged in that article posted in one of these threads that maybe players are coached up properly. With all the penalties, mental mistakes, [poor decisions, how could they not be coached up properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Woody's doing the right thing by getting people who know people. I'm just concerned that Casserly will try to keep Rex. Rex is getting fired. That decision has already been made - It's done. There's no way around it...He's out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Casserly acknowledged in that article posted in one of these threads that maybe players are coached up properly. That's why we're 3-12 and sleepwalk after the BYE every year? Thanks for backing my point that Casserly might be a hindrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 With all the penalties, mental mistakes, [poor decisions, how could they not be coached up properly? No argument from me the past 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?28630-Charley-Casserly-s-2013-NFL-Mock-Draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?28630-Charley-Casserly-s-2013-NFL-Mock-Draft T R O L L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 T R O L L Matt Millen > Casserly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Matt Millen > Casserly T R O L L M O R O N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 As opposed to the 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders he wound up selecting and cutting from the team? And who have still done more in the NFL already than all of the quarterbacks on the board at that point are likely to do ever. But yeah, let's pile on the Saunders pick some more because it's definitely Idzik's fault the guy started having seizures out of nowhere. If this is so simple why are the arguments so bad? And why should anybody care what people who took five years to figure out Sanchez consider to be TOTES OBV YOU GUYS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 And who have still done more in the NFL already than all of the quarterbacks on the board at that point are likely to do ever. But yeah, let's pile on the Saunders pick some more because it's definitely Idzik's fault the guy started having seizures out of nowhere. If this is so simple why are the arguments so bad? And why should anybody care what people who took five years to figure out Sanchez consider to be TOTES OBV YOU GUYS? The Saunders pick was terrible because he offers zero as a receiver and there were plenty of cheap options in FA for a return specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Don't blame Milliner. Blame our moron HC who thought it was a good idea and all that stuff to put his starting CB out there on the extra point coverage team and all that stuff Monday, WRECKS, you're FIRED and all that stuff Nice to see you have come around and that stuff. Happy Holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Nice to see you have come around and that stuff. Happy Holidays. U2 And keep.those books balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Along with the Brian WInters, Willie Colon, Oday Aboshi combo Yep. And Giacomini has been another penalty prone guy like Colon. Thinking that just addig Decker was enough to help your hand picked QB was a diaster too. He's not very good. Then the mid season pointless trade for Harvin. Just a feeble attempt all together. Late round stabs to eventually replace Pace. Late round stabs at WR. Taking a joker TE over great WR prospects. Just a comedy of errors. I understand you cant fix the entire team in one offseason but its been 2 years now with a ton of picks and money and the Jets are + another DE to show for it. That's pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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