vincenzo69 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No he's not. Rex at least does one thing well. Two if you count teaching DL technique as separate from drawing up a defensive gameplan. Sanchez did 0 things well. Both deserved to go, but if Rex really were the Sanchez of coaching, no chance we make the playoffs in '09 and '10. Rex's strengths helped make up for Sanchez's many weaknesses for a short period of time. Rex is excellent at developing defensive line players. Sione Pouha and Mike Devito was a nothing until Rex came along. I can think of 10 teams off top of my head who could use him as a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Plenty of teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Plenty of teams.Seahawks are reportedly contacting John Idzik. They need someone to water down the beers at CenturyLink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsRiverJet Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Of course there is interest. Rex doesn't suck. He just has no grasp of the offense, is terrible at in game management, clock control, timeouts, challenges, having guys lay in the end zone on kickoffs, developing young offensive players, making halftime adjustments, and adjusting his strategy to the game today. But he sure can coach up the defense. I imagine he'll catch on somewhere eventually and win something. I forgot about the end zone one... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I disagree. Once teams caught on to the overload blitzes his D was quite tame. He never really adjusts his scheme and adapts. He blitzes from different angles and overloads which is not exactly mind boggling. Once he doesn't have the guys he needs (probowl cbs and lbs) he's pretty much average. Which means he really isn't a great d mind. He has a scheme he learned from his old man. Disclaimer that I'm glad Rex was fired. It needed to be done for multiple reasons. But there's no denying he can coach defense. Total Defense: 2014: 6th 2013: 11th 2012: 8th 2011: 5th 2010: 3rd 2009: 1st 2008: 2nd 2007: 6th 2006: 1st 2005: 5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 All the teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Disclaimer that I'm glad Rex was fired. It needed to be done for multiple reasons. But there's no denying he can coach defense. Total Defense: 2014: 6th 2013: 11th 2012: 8th 2011: 5th 2010: 3rd 2009: 1st 2008: 2nd 2007: 6th 2006: 1st 2005: 5th I suspect those rankings won't look as impressive if the category was points allowed. Wins are based on whoever scores the most points, not gains the most yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 i need to call foul on this. i wanted rex gone and am not part of the "fan club" but if you really think the people who said 5-15 minutes or whatever meant that literally then you need remedial internet and social skills. rex will get offers if he wants them. my guess is he goes to the broadcast boost for a year then realizes he is only happy on the sideline. The clock continues to tick on that 15 minutes it would take for our former circus clown HC to land that big new NFL HC job T plus 31 hours and counting and the dope is not one foot closer to an interview other than with ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I suspect those rankings won't look as impressive if the category was points allowed. Wins are based on whoever scores the most points, not gains the most yards. Points allowed by the defense or the offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Wow, lots of haters here. Anybody who thinks Rex won't get another head coaching gig is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Points allowed by the defense or the offense? If we are trying measure defensive prowess, I would think points allowed by the defense is a more pertinent statistic. This year Rex D ranked #6 in yards allowed but #28 in points allowed for instance. Quinn and the seattle D have been #1 in least points allowed 3yrs in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Disclaimer that I'm glad Rex was fired. It needed to be done for multiple reasons. But there's no denying he can coach defense. Total Defense: 2014: 6th 2013: 11th 2012: 8th 2011: 5th 2010: 3rd 2009: 1st 2008: 2nd 2007: 6th 2006: 1st 2005: 5th Disclaimer that I'm glad Rex was fired. It needed to be done for multiple reasons. But there's no denying he can coach defense. Total Defense: 2014: 6th 2013: 11th 2012: 8th 2011: 5th 2010: 3rd 2009: 1st 2008: 2nd 2007: 6th 2006: 1st 2005: 5th Just curious what do these stats look like during last 2 minutes of 1st half and last 2 minutes of game, I will hang up now and listen for answer off air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No coach gets you to the promise land with sh*tty qb No QB gets you to the promised land with a sh*tty HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Wow, lots of haters here. Anybody who thinks Rex won't get another head coaching gig is insane. I don't think anyone is arguing he'll never get another shot. I think most are arguing he's not the #1 Choice of every team in the NFL, is not the "best option" available, and may not (probably won't) be a Head Coach in the NFL in 2015. He could certainly yak on TV a few years are get hype-over-rated, like a Cowher or a Gruden, sure, and get another HC gig that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 If you need a DC Rex is a very desirable commodity. He's limited as an HC. Limited for sure. Ain't got a clue. The Jets were head coached by TWO guys on game day. Rex on the defensive headset and MM on the other. The media are the ONLY ones who think Rex is a good coach. Good motivator - AT TIMES - let's not forget how many times the Jets looked terrible and got their asses handed to them by 30 points or more. Buffalo anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The clock continues to tick on that 15 minutes it would take for our former circus clown HC to land that big new NFL HC job T plus 31 hours and counting and the dope is not one foot closer to an interview other than with ESPN Are you going to keep this up? That quote was from Rob Ryan who said he'd "be out of work for like 5 minutes" when the Cowboys fired him. He was right. I don't think anybody said Rex would get a new HC job so easily. He could probably get a DC job, but why should he? The Jets are paying him and he could work in television and pocket both checks. Your annoying posts during a time period when there has not been a single hire are not particularly informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 He's also GREAT at coaching defensive takeways.. 2013. Total of 15...worst in the 54 year history of the Jets 2014. Total of 12 going into the Miami game. Not sure we had even one...a new franchise record for defensive ineptitude from the Defensive Genius..and all that stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Disclaimer that I'm glad Rex was fired. It needed to be done for multiple reasons. But there's no denying he can coach defense. Total Defense: 2014: 6th 2013: 11th 2012: 8th 2011: 5th 2010: 3rd 2009: 1st 2008: 2nd 2007: 6th 2006: 1st 2005: 5th That's Yards. Yards don't win games. Points do. Points: 2009: 17th 2010: 13th 2011: 13th 2012: 28th 2013: 29th 2014: 28th Rex's Jets Defense has never been more than average giving up points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 He is going to make 4 million next year- the media loves him so see him on ESPN or NFL Network next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I think most are arguing he's not the #1 Choice of every team in the NFL, is not the "best option" available, and may not (probably won't) be a Head Coach in the NFL in 2015. Just depends on the coaching market, really. He won't be the first choice of the Falcons, Raiders or Bears. But he could definitely rise to the top if other coaches they target go elsewhere. He SHOULD revert back to being a DC if he wants to have the maximum success. But the difference in salary of a HC and DC can be pretty vast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 This thread is going to get even more awesome when Rex takes a TV job and everyone is like "pff he never wanted a HC job anyway GO REX" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 That's Yards. Yards don't win games. Points do. Points: 2009: 17th 2010: 13th 2011: 13th 2012: 28th 2013: 29th 2014: 28th Rex's Jets Defense has never been more than average giving up points. Not a reliable indicator either thanks to us leading the NFL in pick 6's pretty much every year in that span. Since Rex is HC of the whole team those pick 6's fall on him as well, but if you're evaluating his defenses they grade out pretty nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No QB gets you to the promised land with a sh*tty HC. And no HC gets you to the promised land with a sh*ty QB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Are you going to keep this up? That quote was from Rob Ryan who said he'd "be out of work for like 5 minutes" when the Cowboys fired him. He was right. I don't think anybody said Rex would get a new HC job so easily. He could probably get a DC job, but why should he? The Jets are paying him and he could work in television and pocket both checks. Your annoying posts during a time period when there has not been a single hire are not particularly informative. Go check the posts here...dozens of fan club members said 15 minutes or less. Don't blame me for keeping the "Oh how wrong you were" clock ticking on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 If we are trying measure defensive prowess, I would think points allowed by the defense is a more pertinent statistic. This year Rex D ranked #6 in yards allowed but #28 in points allowed for instance. Quinn and the seattle D have been #1 in least points allowed 3yrs in a row. My point was that the Jets offense allows the other team to score when the Jets defense is on the sidelines. They also tend to provide sh*tty field position. These things factor into "points allowed" which generally amount to the amount of points scored against a team because they rarely bother to deduct the pick sixes, fumbles, etc. FWIW, I think they were 24th in points allowed and 28th in points scored, but maybe your stats took into account other points allowed and other teams were worse. To be fair, the sh*t offense helps the yards against because teams don't open up and have a short field to travel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 That's Yards. Yards don't win games. Points do. Points: 2009: 17th 2010: 13th 2011: 13th 2012: 28th 2013: 29th 2014: 28th Rex's Jets Defense has never been more than average giving up points. They were 17th in points allowed for 2009? Where are these stats from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Disclaimer that I'm glad Rex was fired. It needed to be done for multiple reasons. But there's no denying he can coach defense. Total Defense: 2014: 6th 2013: 11th 2012: 8th 2011: 5th 2010: 3rd 2009: 1st 2008: 2nd 2007: 6th 2006: 1st 2005: 5th 2014: , 24th PPG, 30th 3rd %, Teams don't need to run up the score and thus yardage against Rex ran teams. Teams didn't need to score much against the Jets. I believe the Ravens were a low scoring team when Rex was there as DC too. Also check the D rosters he's had over the years, particularly with the ravens. When you have hall of fame/pro bowl players it's a lot easier to be a "master mind". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Footballoutsider's ranking of the Jets D using the DVOA and "Weighted defense" (gives a stronger grade to late-season games) metrics: 2009: DVOA (-25.5 %) - 1st Weighted (-29.2 %) - 1st 2010: DVOA (-10.9 %) - 5th Weighted (-11.7 %) - 4th 2011: DVOA (-16.1 %) - 2nd Weighted (-14.3 %) - 2nd 2012: DVOA (-4.2 %) - 9th Weighted (-8.9 %) - 10th 2013: DVOA (-5.6 %) - 12th Weighted (-0.9 %) - 16th 2014: DVOA (-3.6 %) - 21st Weighted (2.7 %) - 22nd I think these numbers more accurately reflect what happened. The D was very strong until 2012, when Rex could no longer "coach up" a defense devoid of elite talent. Which is both an indictment of Tannenbaum/Idzik AND Rex. All 3 definitely needed to be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 2014: , 24th PPG, 30th 3rd %, Did it ever occur that teams don't need to run up the score and thus yardage against Rex ran teams? Teams didn't need to score much against the Jets. Also check the D rosters he's had over the years, particularly with the ravens. When you have hall of fame/pro bowl players it's a lot easier to be a "master mind". Especially if the HOF player is your QB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 2009: 1st 2010: 5th 2011: 2nd 2012: 9th 2013: 12th* 2014: 21st* *Idzik's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No he's not. Rex at least does one thing well. Two if you count teaching DL technique as separate from drawing up a defensive gameplan. Sanchez did 0 things well. Both deserved to go, but if Rex really were the Sanchez of coaching, no chance we make the playoffs in '09 and '10. Rex's strengths helped make up for Sanchez's many weaknesses for a short period of time. Ok, enlighten me , what exactly did Rex do in 2009-2010 to help us make the playoffs. What were the briliant moves he made that alowed the team to win more games . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Footballoutsider's ranking of the Jets D using the DVOA and "Weighted defense" (gives a stronger grade to late-season games) metrics: 2009: DVOA (-25.5 %) - 1st Weighted (-29.2 %) - 1st 2010: DVOA (-10.9 %) - 5th Weighted (-11.7 %) - 4th 2011: DVOA (-16.1 %) - 2nd Weighted (-14.3 %) - 2nd 2012: DVOA (-4.2 %) - 9th Weighted (-8.9 %) - 10th 2013: DVOA (-5.6 %) - 12th Weighted (-0.9 %) - 16th 2014: DVOA (-3.6 %) - 21st Weighted (2.7 %) - 22nd I think these numbers more accurately reflect what happened. The D was very strong until 2012, when Rex could no longer "coach up" a defense devoid of elite talent. Which is both an indictment of Tannenbaum/Idzik AND Rex. All 3 definitely needed to be gone. They lost their best player on D for the season in 2012. A slight slip in rankings was going to happen. His first season, they lost Jenkins who everyone said we couldnt survive without and ranked 1st. T0mShane at the time thought it was the greatest magic trick in the history of coaching. The damning part of these stats is something changes in 2013 and everything went to sh*t. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I suspect those rankings won't look as impressive if the category was points allowed. Wins are based on whoever scores the most points, not gains the most yards. I said he was a good defensive coach not a good head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Disclaimer that I'm glad Rex was fired. It needed to be done for multiple reasons. But there's no denying he can coach defense. Total Defense: 2014: 6th 2013: 11th 2012: 8th 2011: 5th 2010: 3rd 2009: 1st 2008: 2nd 2007: 6th 2006: 1st 2005: 5th There's no denying given all the pieces that fit his scheme Rex's defenses can be above average to good. If he needs to adapt and adjust w/o some key players he's toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Ok, enlighten me , what exactly did Rex do in 2009-2010 to help us make the playoffs. What were the briliant moves he made that alowed the team to win more games . Lost Kris Jenkins for the year - still #1 D. Lost Leon Washington for the year - still # rushing team in the league (first time the Jets led the league in offensive category since 1967). Rex was just hanging out watching...he really didnt do anything. lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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