UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: Throwing the football 55 yards has nothing to do with arm strength. High School QB's can do that. How was Fitz's arm strength in the 1st and 4th quarters in Buffalo when he had to throw into the wind? Oh yea, the Jets had no passing game whatsoever. Correct. If he wants 16 million, so long and thanks for all the fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 anyone looking to sign fitz, imo, will pay more than a top back up qb, but not as much as a starter. and i dont think anyone is looking to sign fitz for more than 2 real contract years. he is year to year after that. paying fitz a coupla more dollars than maybe he is worth is worth it if he is your best option and you really only want him for 2 years. i am pretty confident that fitzpatrick will be the day 1 starter for the jets I'd say I'm about 60/40... Cause at the end of the day, he's just a bandaide. A Lexus bandaide albeit, but a bandaide nonetheless. The crown jewel is the rookie they're planning to draft this year (I believe it's a certainty)... He's the one they're focused one. They obviously want the best bandaide and mentor available but Fitz isn't a must on their eyes. They can make do without him for a year if need be. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Fitz is a smart guy who I am sure has saved alot of money. He may be saying to himself and his family that he will go back out onto the football field, put a helmet on, and risk brain damage for another year or two if he is paid fairly. If not, he will hang out at home and play Rubiks Cube. He would be silly to sign as a backup, because the starter could get punched in the jaw and end up out for an extended period of time. Then he ends up starting without being paid like one. Because he will start for the next year or two and provide valuable fan entertainment, but he is not the long term answer, has not upside and requires good highly paid players around him, he should accept and be paid $8-10mm. Let's call it $9mm. The Jets should throw a third year onto that to guarantee him more money when he would be a back up. The Jets could pay for this by making Brick take a pay cut (in return for a greater chance of making the playoffs his last year) and stretching out the Ks of Marshall and Mangold, who would like contribute beyond their current contracts. I think we can afford the push costs out a bit as some contracts run off (Brick, Breno, Gilcrist, Revis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 So according to details and conjecture, Jets are offering about $8-9 million and Fitz wants $16 million. Caplan said it was high end backup, low end starter money and reports were that is was a bit higher than Chase Daniel got, which was $7 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Paradis said: I'd say I'm about 60/40... Cause at the end of the day, he's just a bandaide. A Lexus bandaide albeit, but a bandaide nonetheless. The crown jewel is the rookie they're planning to draft this year (I believe it's a certainty)... He's the one they're focused one. They obviously want the best bandaide and mentor available but Fitz isn't a must on their eyes. They can make do without him for a year if need be. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk but i think we both agree, fitz signing a reasonable 2 year contract (probably 8 figures) is in the jets best interest till the new guy is ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 37 minutes ago, varjet said: Fitz is a smart guy who I am sure has saved alot of money. He may be saying to himself and his family that he will go back out onto the football field, put a helmet on, and risk brain damage for another year or two if he is paid fairly. If not, he will hang out at home and play Rubiks Cube. He would be silly to sign as a backup, because the starter could get punched in the jaw and end up out for an extended period of time. Then he ends up starting without being paid like one. Because he will start for the next year or two and provide valuable fan entertainment, but he is not the long term answer, has not upside and requires good highly paid players around him, he should accept and be paid $8-10mm. Let's call it $9mm. The Jets should throw a third year onto that to guarantee him more money when he would be a back up. The Jets could pay for this by making Brick take a pay cut (in return for a greater chance of making the playoffs his last year) and stretching out the Ks of Marshall and Mangold, who would like contribute beyond their current contracts. I think we can afford the push costs out a bit as some contracts run off (Brick, Breno, Gilcrist, Revis). He has a net worth of 24 million.. http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nfl/ryan-fitzpatrick-net-worth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 41 minutes ago, varjet said: He would be silly to sign as a backup, because the starter could get punched in the jaw and end up out for an extended period of time. Then he ends up starting without being paid like one. LOL. Yeah, right. Like that could ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Savage69 said: He has a net worth of 24 million.. http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nfl/ryan-fitzpatrick-net-worth/ Wow, Eric Decker is really in the poor house for an NFL veteran, with a net worth of only $1.32 million. Good thing he married well. http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nfl/eric-decker-net-worth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 the Jets are playing this perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Wow, Eric Decker is really in the poor house for an NFL veteran, with a net worth of only $1.32 million. Good thing he married well. http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nfl/eric-decker-net-worth/ So did Brady his wife and him together is worth close to a half a billion.. http://www.celebritynetworth.com/couples/tom-brady-gi-net-worth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 3 hours ago, slats said: I'd strongly disagree, but it's funny that the only player you could come up with who possibly had a weaker arm is a 39 year old retiree. 2-time Super Bowl champion 39-year old retiree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Fitz who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Fitz who? just get used to the idea that he will be the jets starting qb this season. i hope to god we dont have to hear you complain all year, good games or bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Just now, ylekram said: just get used to the idea that he will be the jets starting qb this season. i hope to god we dont have to hear you complain all year, good games or bad Until he signs he's no longer a NY Jet. I root for every player who wears a NY Jets uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Until he signs he's no longer a NY Jet. I root for every player who wears a NY Jets uniform. except for fitz, as you complained most of the year, then flip flopped until after the buffalo game, then back to complaining. when he is signed, are you gonna start with a clean slate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 22 minutes ago, ylekram said: except for fitz, as you complained most of the year, then flip flopped until after the buffalo game, then back to complaining. when he is signed, are you gonna start with a clean slate? No I support for every player who wears a NY Jets uniform Fitzpatrick included I root for the Jets to win every game they play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 So did Brady his wife and him together is worth close to a half a billion.. http://www.celebritynetworth.com/couples/tom-brady-gi-net-worth/ That's because Kraft pays Brady cash under the table to circumvent the Salary Cap rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: That's because Kraft pays Brady cash under the table to circumvent the Salary Cap rules. The thing about you is that you admit the Pats cheat and you love it. I don't know why considering the great players of the past like Geno Cappelletti and Andre Tippett worked their asses off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: The thing about you is that you admit the Pats cheat and you love it. I don't know why considering the great players of the past like Geno Cappelletti and Andre Tippett worked their asses off. Tex was being sarcastic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 10 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Tex was being sarcastic.. No its his guilty concsious finally admitting the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The criminal always returns the scene of the crime..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 "Based off last year's production, and the way Brandon [Marshall] has talked about the chemistry he's built with Ryan, I would expect and hope it would be him, just based off what they had last year," Forte said in a conference call with reporters. The Jets and Fitzpatrick are locked in a stalemate, far apart on a new contract. The only other quarterbacks the team has under contract are former starter Geno Smith, who had only one relief appearance last season, and the inexperienced Bryce Petty. The Jets visited with free agent Robert Griffin III last Friday and Saturday. Forte said he chose the Jets because they have a "really good defense and a consistent offense. I know Fitzpatrick will be a big part of that, too." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14970459/matt-forte-hopeful-ryan-fitzpatrick-return-new-york-jets I agree with Forte... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 6 hours ago, Smashmouth said: we'll se what happens if Geno is at the Helm and Marsh has 70 catches Is 70 catches a good or a bad thing? I wasnt sure where you were going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 9 hours ago, Smashmouth said: that's more bullsh*t. In the beginning of the season he had issues with a weak lower body coming off a broken leg which it takes a good amount of time for those muscles to get their strength back go ahead tell me the legs play no part like Im excpecting some idiots to argue. As he regained his strength his arm started to improve Fitz does not have a great arm but he also does not have a bad arm either. Idiots on this board said he could not throw a deep ball then he was throwing more deep balls than we have seen in years some going 55 yards in the air which is the norm in the NFL for a deep pass. If you have to throw it deeper than that you waited too long . The bullsh*t I read on these forums is starting to make them unreadable some people just don't like Fitz so they start making sh*t up to support the idiotic argument. If the ******* Jets didn't want Fitz then they should not be signing post 30 year old players especially at the RB position but they are and any one who thinks this is for Moron Geno should really take a step back and stick to golf or tennis not football. Gil Brandt agrees with you, as noted in a 11 March column: Fitzpatrick, an unrestricted free agent, has never gotten the respect he deserves. Almost every place he's gone, he's added a spark and elevated the offense. Problem is, he's never gotten a shot with a title-contending club. If I were the Broncos, this is where my attention would be right now, and not on offering compensation for a player like Colin Kaepernick. Fitzpatrick has a good arm and athleticism. I understand the concerns with him, but I also know he's had success in this league, and what he did with the Jets last year, securing must-win games down the stretch with his play, is nothing short of remarkable. I think if Denver signed him, he could do the same thing Peyton Manning did last season. He might be the only quarterback available whom I'd trust with a Super Bowl-ready team like theBroncos. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000643759/article/ranking-top-available-quarterbacks-via-draft-free-agency-trade And for those who would question Gil's credentials... Gil Brandt, the vice president of player personnel for the Cowboys from 1960 to 1989, helped Dallas grow into one of the most powerful and popular sports franchises in America. His innovative management and personnel systems are standard operating procedure today for many teams at the professional and collegiate levels nationwide. As NFL Media's personnel guru, Brandt offers insight and commentary on all aspects of players and teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: "Based off last year's production, and the way Brandon [Marshall] has talked about the chemistry he's built with Ryan, I would expect and hope it would be him, just based off what they had last year," Forte said in a conference call with reporters. The Jets and Fitzpatrick are locked in a stalemate, far apart on a new contract. The only other quarterbacks the team has under contract are former starter Geno Smith, who had only one relief appearance last season, and the inexperienced Bryce Petty. The Jets visited with free agent Robert Griffin III last Friday and Saturday. Forte said he chose the Jets because they have a "really good defense and a consistent offense. I know Fitzpatrick will be a big part of that, too." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14970459/matt-forte-hopeful-ryan-fitzpatrick-return-new-york-jets I agree with Forte... Funny how everyone who has to like, you know catch passes from the Jets QB next year unanimously wants Fitz back. But I heard on Jetnation.com that he sucks??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: No its his guilty concsious finally admitting the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The criminal always returns the scene of the crime..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 5 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: The thing about you is that you admit the Pats cheat and you love it. I don't know why considering the great players of the past like Geno Cappelletti and Andre Tippett worked their asses off. I think @PatsFanTX point sailed right over your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 So if Gil Brandt were an NFL GM, there'd be one NFL GM willing to pay Fitz what he wants. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 1 hour ago, slats said: So if Gil Brandt were an NFL GM, there'd be one NFL GM willing to pay Fitz what he wants. Good to know. What about the fact that a guy with 29 years of head NFL scout experience says Fitz has a good arm? When you ignore the arguments you don't like, it's an easy way to convince yourself that you're always right, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrod 626 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I have been saying this for a week now... Sexton and/or Fitz seriously misjudged his market value. Elway, who knows a thing or two about QBs would rather trade for Sanchez than overpay Fitzpatrick. Fitz has neither skill, talent, pedigree or age of Bradford, Cousins, Brock or even Kaep or RG III. Jets iMaster Mi-Kel Macc has played this perfectly! Last off-season Fitz was brought in to backup Geno & Marshall said he chose the Jets because of "Geno". I would rather have Geno (God forbid) vs RGIII (Lord help) compete in Chan's system than overpay Fritz. So please. This is a very different regime than we've probably ever had & I been a Jets & NFL fan for over 40 yrs. So please, let's all relax & allow this little saga to play itself out. And I don't think Macc will risk it to continue too much further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 9 hours ago, jgb said: What about the fact that a guy with 29 years of head NFL scout experience says Fitz has a good arm? When you ignore the arguments you don't like, it's an easy way to convince yourself that you're always right, isn't it? Lol, I'm not gonna question an area where you clearly have the expertise. I like Gil Brandt, but I disagree with him here. I think you'd have a hard time finding many (any?) other so-called experts who do. Fitz is coming off a strong statistical season and can't find a team willing to even talk to him at the numbers he and his agent are apparently throwing around. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with that noodle arm of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 21 minutes ago, slats said: Lol, I'm not gonna question an area where you clearly have the expertise. I like Gil Brandt, but I disagree with him here. I think you'd have a hard time finding many (any?) other so-called experts who do. Fitz is coming off a strong statistical season and can't find a team willing to even talk to him at the numbers he and his agent are apparently throwing around. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with that noodle arm of his. This says it all.... Heck, RG3 probably rolls in on an incentive laden $4m deal. Teams could wait SF out and see if they cut Kap.... but that's a long time to wait if they don't Kap 12m becomes guaranteed 4/1. Does Chip roll with him? I doubt it ... too much bad blood. C'mon Mac/Fitz get it done @ $9m and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 28 minutes ago, slats said: Lol, I'm not gonna question an area where you clearly have the expertise. I like Gil Brandt, but I disagree with him here. I think you'd have a hard time finding many (any?) other so-called experts who do. Fitz is coming off a strong statistical season and can't find a team willing to even talk to him at the numbers he and his agent are apparently throwing around. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with that noodle arm of his. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/03/nflcoms_gil_brandt_on_jets_qb_geno_smith_i_saw_him_grow_a_lot.html Gil Brandt, a senior analyst for NFL.com, is not at all worried that Geno Smith will make progress in his second season as the Jets' quarterback this fall. Brandt says Smith's problems last year resulted from "factors beyond his control" (ahem), but that Smith has "real potential" and "has what it takes to become a solid player for New York one day." lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesumtenor Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 52 minutes ago, slats said: Lol, I'm not gonna question an area where you clearly have the expertise. I like Gil Brandt, but I disagree with him here. I think you'd have a hard time finding many (any?) other so-called experts who do. Fitz is coming off a strong statistical season and can't find a team willing to even talk to him at the numbers he and his agent are apparently throwing around. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with that noodle arm of his. And the fact that last season was an outlier in the context of his whole career...no one wants to over pay for lightning in a bottle...give him a deal loaded with incentives so he can make his money...if he makes last season more the rule rather than the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jgb Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 17 hours ago, slats said: Lol, I'm not gonna question an area where you clearly have the expertise. I like Gil Brandt, but I disagree with him here. I think you'd have a hard time finding many (any?) other so-called experts who do. Fitz is coming off a strong statistical season and can't find a team willing to even talk to him at the numbers he and his agent are apparently throwing around. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with that noodle arm of his. You think or you know? If Fitz's arm was a noodle doubt one of the most respected scouts in NFL history would call it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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