ESPN Predictions for Jets at 20

[BklynJetsFan85]

Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia: He may not last until the 20th pick. I know one team ahead of the Jets that loves the kid. He'd be right out of central casting for the Jets, considering their need at rush linebacker. Floyd is an explosive edge rusher with enough athleticism to drop into coverage. The downside is that he's only 244 pounds, rather lean on a 6-foot-6 frame. Chances are he'll be a pass-rushing specialist as a rookie, giving him a year to bulk up for every-down duty.

Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State: He's generally regarded as the fourth-best tackle prospect behind Laremy Tunsil, Ronnie Stanley and Jack Conklin. The top three are seen as left tackle prospects, while Decker (6-foot-7, 310 pounds) is projected as a right tackle. It wouldn't bode well for incumbent right tackle Breno Giacomini if the Jets draft Decker, who probably would be a Day 1 starter. The Jets could save $4.4 million by releasing Giacomini.

Noah Spence, OLB, Eastern Kentucky: Spence has more red flags than a rain-soaked Indy 500. He was thrown out of Ohio State and the Big Ten for testing positive twice for Ecstasy, prompting a transfer to EKU, where he had an alcohol-related arrest last May. We'll keep him on the list because of his pass-rushing prowess, but it would be a classic big risk/big reward pick at No. 20.

Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State: Yes, a cornerback. The Jets need a replacement for Antonio Cromartie, and let's not forget Darrelle Revis will be 31 by the start of the season. Apple, an impressive 6-foot-1, has a chance to develop into a No. 1 corner. The Jets are OK with Buster Skrine and Marcus Williams as the No. 2 and No. 3 corners, but Apple can solidify the position beyond 2016. Plus, he'd be an instant favorite among New York's headline writers.

 

Now I'd be okay with 3 of those picks at 20, i feel Spence is a major reach and isn't worth the risk. I like Floyd - needs to bulk up a little bit though. Taylor Decker would make a lot of sense - save 4.4 mill by releasing Giacomini... the kid can start from day 1 and be the start of a rebuild on the line...and lastly Eli Apple - I've heard a lot of good stuff about this guy and we do need a replacement for Cromartie (personally i like Marcus Williams to fill that role, but the jury is still out for that). Apple they say has very good work ethic and say he's very aggressive in coverage (which i feel might attract penalties) but he's a fighter with the ball in the air and you gotta respect that to a degree. Good size and strength will allow him to compete with physical receivers - i would like the pick if they grabbed him.

[AFJF]

If Spence is on the board at 19, I think Rex drafts him.

[BklynJetsFan85]

1 minute ago, AFJF said:

If Spence is on the board at 19, I think Rex drafts him.

Typical rex move, big risk/big reward - this should have gone in nfl draft section - lol oops... im sure an admin will move it.

The bills need an outside pass rusher but i could see em taking a DT or maybe Darron Lee if he's still on board

[Joe Jets fan]

I don't want any.  Floyd will get washed away in the pro game.  Just not strong / big enough.  

[Powpow]

Lynch? Don't we need a QB? If Lynch falls past the Rams he must be the pick or there's something other than coffee in Mac's Starbucks mug.

[BklynJetsFan85]

Just now, Powpow said:

Lynch? Don't we need a QB? If Lynch falls past the Rams he must be the pick or there's something other than coffee in Mac's Starbucks mug.

I just don't like him - i think he's a project... i want a starter/immediate impact player in first round - if lynch is around in the 2nd - then take him there

[AFJF]

4 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

I don't want any.  Floyd will get washed away in the pro game.  Just not strong / big enough.  

That's my concern with him....lower body is thin as a rail.

[BklynJetsFan85]

1 minute ago, AFJF said:

That's my concern with him....lower body is thin as a rail.

I mentioned he needs to bulk up - but there's no denying he's freakishly fast for his position, great in pursuit, natural pass rusher, very athletic - we just gotta bulk him up... get him on a different gym regimen and a bulking diet. He could be a pro bowler if he gains about 20lbs. He's 6'6 - not like it's impossible to put on 20lbs.

[Powpow]

5 minutes ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

I just don't like him - i think he's a project... i want a starter/immediate impact player in first round - if lynch is around in the 2nd - then take him there

You dreaming. Lynch will be 3rd QB taken and will go in round 1.  He was projected as the #1 QB months ago. I agree he's a project but what QB isn't. He had the measurable and intangibles to be a very good player we haven't seen at the position since Vinny. 

[BklynJetsFan85]

Just now, Powpow said:

You dreaming. Lynch will be 3rd QB taken and will go in round 1.  He was projected as the #1 QB months ago. I agree he's a project but what QB isn't. He had the measurable and intangibles to be a very good player we haven't seen at the position since Vinny. 

I see him the same i saw Petty - He's not gunna start for us... if Floyd and Decker are off the board id rather them take a CB, but if we have no QB and it's geno or petty - you really wanna draft lynch? He is not a day 1 starter and he will be ruined if he is.

[joewilly12]

24 minutes ago, AFJF said:

If Spence is on the board at 19, I think Rex drafts him.

For the player or the Ecstasy drug history.

[Joe Jets fan]

2 minutes ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

I mentioned he needs to bulk up - but there's no denying he's freakishly fast for his position, great in pursuit, natural pass rusher, very athletic - we just gotta bulk him up... get him on a different gym regimen and a bulking diet. He could be a pro bowler if he gains about 20lbs. He's 6'6 - not like it's impossible to put on 20lbs.

Wasn't his production pretty low for a first round pick pass rusher?   

17 total sacks in college sucks.  

 

Not thilled but I would not go nuts if he was the pick. 

 

[BklynJetsFan85]

His ability to play on or off the line of scrimmage makes him the kind of weapon we would want. He's a little raw, but a lot of it has to do with his size/strength... that can be worked on. You don't get linebackers with his athletic ability very often. He has ideal frame to pack on more weight - the dude will be a monster when he puts on more size.

[BklynJetsFan85]

Look up any scouting report on him, the scouts love him but all agree he needs to bulk up... and he has perfect height and frame to do so - ill look up some random scouting reports ... whatever pops up on good first... wont even read em first.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016lfloyd.php

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/leonard-floyd?id=2555285

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2016/1/18/10781204/leonard-floyd-scouting-report-olb-georgia-2016-nfl-draft

http://rsenreport.com/2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-olbde-leonard-floyd/

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2061110/leonard-floyd

[RutgersJetFan]

True story, the Jets haven't used a first round pick on offense in 6 years, this would make it 7 if any of this sh*t is accurate.

[King P]

10 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

True story, the Jets haven't used a first round pick on offense in 6 years, this would make it 7 if any of this sh*t is accurate.

The defensive talent at the top is way better/deeper than the offensive. So if we're going BPA, defense makes sense

[Powpow]

39 minutes ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

I see him the same i saw Petty - He's not gunna start for us... if Floyd and Decker are off the board id rather them take a CB, but if we have no QB and it's geno or petty - you really wanna draft lynch? He is not a day 1 starter and he will be ruined if he is.

I think he'll be a heck of a QB. Strong arm, good pocket presence, quick release, fast for his size, a Flacco clone who is faster. Of course he sits a year. Mac is no Idziot who threw Geno to the wolves when Sanchise went down. Mac will not go with either Petty or Geno if Lynch is drafted and he will sit a year. Hoyer or Fitz will start 2016. 

[Sperm Edwards]

I know some have him going a little higher than 20, but if he's there what about this guy?

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133481/jack-conklin

We'd clear another $5M+ in savings from Brick over Breno, and at the drop of a hat it's a far easier task to find a RT replacement (right after the draft or next year) than LT. Particularly if we fill the opening in FA, where LTs cost a good lot more than RTs. I wouldn't sweat the extra 1 season of carrying Breno over Brick (if it even came to that), but we're not winning a SB this year anyway and, when we are, I'd hate to look back and remember we passed up on a LT in round 1 because of a temporary perceived higher need in a 2016 where we finished 7-9 or 8-8 anyway. Not like we have a QB for either one to block for anyway.

Other than what I read, has anyone watched him who could say what's good/bad about him if he's there at 20?

[BklynJetsFan85]

24 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I know some have him going a little higher than 20, but if he's there what about this guy?

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133481/jack-conklin

We'd clear another $5M+ in savings from Brick over Breno, and at the drop of a hat it's a far easier task to find a RT replacement (right after the draft or next year) than LT. Particularly if we fill the opening in FA, where LTs cost a good lot more than RTs. I wouldn't sweat the extra 1 season of carrying Breno over Brick (if it even came to that), but we're not winning a SB this year anyway and, when we are, I'd hate to look back and remember we passed up on a LT in round 1 because of a temporary perceived higher need in a 2016 where we finished 7-9 or 8-8 anyway. Not like we have a QB for either one to block for anyway.

Other than what I read, has anyone watched him who could say what's good/bad about him if he's there at 20?

IF he drops to 20 then of course - no brainer - can start him at RT, and move him to LT after d brick era. We'd have a solid tackle for next 10 years. I don't think there's any way he makes it to 20 tho

[Sperm Edwards]

5 minutes ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

IF he drops to 20 then of course - no brainer - can start him at RT, and move him to LT after d brick era. We'd have a solid tackle for next 10 years. I don't think there's any way he makes it to 20 tho

There were some sources that - and I grant you some make these outlandish statements just to be controversial, for attention - have him as around the 50th best prospect in the draft. Others have him in the bottom half of round 1; at least one of which has him going to Seattle at 26.

That as much as his own talent or future outlook, sometimes it's just a matter of whether or not there's an early run on tackles.

[77DRAFT]

3 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

True story, the Jets haven't used a first round pick on offense in 6 years, this would make it 7 if any of this sh*t is accurate.

We need a OLB - no. 1 need on the team, we take best OLB available. Next season we need to replace Harris. Ditto. We don't have to take first round LB's, but it's not a bad idea.

[77DRAFT]

On March 28, 2016 at 6:12 AM, Villain The Foe said:

Na, people said bust. Saying that a guy had a terrible season and needs to shape up is different than saying that the guy is a bust, waste of a 1st round pick etc etc. Similar things we've heard about Geno after his first season. He's a bust, waste of a 2nd round pick, unsalvageable, etc. etc. 

My point is just like your point. With better coaches Pryor excelled. Same situation could be with Geno. You say that Geno didnt learn nothing in 3 years, well 2 of those years he had the same coaches that Pryor played terrible under, and his 3rd year he didnt play. We can over emphasize the Raiders game, but the bottomline is that he made some poor decisions but made some good ones as well and he came in cold with no rhythm.

Im not counting one game coming in cold, not being able to prepare for with the 1's yet for the most part putting up "fitz-like" numbers as a 3rd year. Also, the FO doing their job is not solely an indictment on Geno, but on the position as a whole. We will bring in some players and we will get it right, but either way we slice it, Geno is still in the mix until he's no longer a Jet. Thats what it is. 

 

On March 28, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Dcat said:

ok.

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On March 28, 2016 at 11:39 AM, CrazyCarl40 said:

That way we can take Geno, Petty, Hogan, Bercovici and hire a new team doctor, Dr. Frank N. Stein and have him build us a quarterback!

 

[Raideraholic]

3 hours ago, AFJF said:

That's my concern with him....lower body is thin as a rail.

The Most interesting thing I heard was From Leonard Floyd at the combine that there were a couple teams looking at him at inside lb.. He played inside lb when Georgia was in the nickel defense.

That is the newest craze in the NFL finding inside lb's that can cover.  ( most of the time NFL defenses are in the nickel- passing league) .  At 6'6 245 that could be a nice matchup against the leagues top Te's.

Could also open up occasionally inside blitz with Leonard Floyd.

[RutgersJetFan]

16 minutes ago, 77DRAFT said:

We need a OLB - no. 1 need on the team, we take best OLB available. Next season we need to replace Harris. Ditto. We don't have to take first round LB's, but it's not a bad idea.

The number 1 need on this team is quarterback. There is no 2, 3, 4, or 5. There is no 6 through eleventy billion either.

[Jet Nut]

9 hours ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

I just don't like him - i think he's a project... i want a starter/immediate impact player in first round - if lynch is around in the 2nd - then take him there

How many starter/immediate impact QBs get drafted in the 20s who aren't viewed as a project?  When are we going to draft a QB?  Have to eventually draft a QB

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

How many starter/immediate impact QBs get drafted in the 20s who aren't viewed as a project?  When are we going to draft a QB?  Have to eventually draft a QB

After Geno leads us to a 3-13 record, we will have an opportunity to draft a QB with the #1 pick. 

[section314]

16 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

After Geno leads us to a 3-13 record, we will have an opportunity to draft a QB with the #1 pick. 

How ironic would that be?  Another terrible Idzik pick finally lands us our first true franchise QB in 50 years. Maybe that's how this Greek tragedy finally ends.

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

The number 1 need on this team is quarterback. There is no 2, 3, 4, or 5. There is no 6 through eleventy billion either.

There is no Dana only Zuul.

[CanadaSteve]

Decker is about the only day 1 starter in the classic sense out of those bunches.  As it has been pointed out, the top-end talent pool in this draft ends after the first 10-15 picks.  There really won't be much difference between our pick and say Dallas' pick in 2nd.  Any of the OLB's will be rushing specialist's like Lorenzo was last year. 

[77DRAFT]

8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

The number 1 need on this team is quarterback. There is no 2, 3, 4, or 5. There is no 6 through eleventy billion either.

Broncos won it all last year not because of Manning, but their OLB's, Petty is fine for us, we don't need anyone else,

the board is split on QB  issue, but OLB is the most important position in the game today, see 1990 Giants, won SB with an average

back up QB and LT.

[slats]

12 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

True story, the Jets haven't used a first round pick on offense in 6 years, this would make it 7 if any of this sh*t is accurate.

Not coincidentally, the Jets haven't had a head coach from the offensive side of the ball since Rich Kotite. 

And because I can't get multi-quoting to work on my iPad, I'll respond to your QB comment here, too. I understand your point about the ginormousness of the Jets need at the position, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other needs. If they don't think there's a QB who can be a franchise level guy wherever they draft in the first round, a pass rusher who they do think could be elite would not be a bad consolation prize. 

[derp]

Haven't gotten as into the draft as I usually do this year but I can't help myself from throwing some stuff out there.

On one hand I really like the idea of bringing in a versatile linebacker like Floyd. But on the flip side I'm aware that I like toolsy prospects to a fault and those rail thin athletic edge guys don't have a great track record the last few years. But I'd talk myself into it anyway, particularly since the Jets really need a dose of athleticism on that area of the field and have the ends to keep someone like Floyd clean.

I also think that Mauldin may be the guy who goes after the QB and they may need someone in the Pace role going forward. Though I could be completely wrong there as I seem to recall that Mauldin was originally set up to be Pace's backup. But I think Mauldin is well suited to pin his ears back and get after the quarterback, which might mean someone with a little more versatility like Floyd would be useful and have less pressure to get after the QB. On the flip side if you're not taking a pass rusher I'm not sure how key it is to use a premium pick.

I don't like the idea of taking Decker very much unless they think he's a potential left tackle. Those "solid" tackles from big schools who have good careers but lack something athletically/physically and slip to the mid-late first round don't seem to have a great hit rate. I think if you're taking a tackle in the first you take a guy with left tackle potential. That's compounded by the Jets' cap situation. Someone like the guy Spriggs from Indiana or Ifedi from Texas A&M would be more intriguing to me - though I need to actually watch them more as I'm not positive Ifedi is a potential LT. Would be sweet to get one of those guys in R2 though.

Also not big on a smaller, not extraordinarily athletic guy who interviewed poorly and has a history of drug problems. Hope Spence has and/or gets his life together but I don't want to be the one to take a chance on him in the first round.

Would be fine with Apple. Corners are important.

There are some options not in here I'm intrigued by as well.

The linebacker Lee from Ohio State. I don't love the idea of a round 1 ILB but he's one I'd be cool with. Played a hybrid linebacker/safety role at Ohio State and was successful. Needs to put on a little weight but is young, I'm not sure he's 21 yet. Freak athlete, ran a sub-4.5 at around 230. The Cardinals took a safety Bucannon from Wazzu a couple of years ago in the first and Bowles utilized him as an ILB who could cover. Think this could basically be the same concept. Instant athleticism upgrade at ILB. I just don't know if it's a need any more after the Henderson pick (which is a good thing, don't like drafting for need).

Paxton Lynch. Big, reasonably athletic dude with a big arm who basically sat in shotgun and picked defenses apart. Really toolsy prospect. Think he'd be a great fit in Gailey's spread. Long-term play but if he's there and they like him I think you make the move to try and develop him. Doesn't help this year and it's a risk but definitely could be worth the potential payoff - again assuming they like him.

A receiver, namely Coleman or Doctson (so after I said this if they draft a receiver it'll be Thomas or something). With uncertainty at quarterback I like the idea of bringing in another weapon to take pressure off whoever's under center. Love Enunwa but he could be upgraded and the offense as a whole looks better. Jets go 3 and 4 wide frequently so a third receiver is basically a starter. Additionally while I love Marshall he's no spring chicken and this can allow you to bring in a guy, develop on the field with veterans taking pressure off of him, learn from them in practice, and whenever Marshall moves on you have a guy ready to step in as a lead receiver. Coleman is another great athlete, not a huge guy but extremely explosive. I think in Gailey's system you get him in space and he'll make plays. Little bit of a change of pace from what they currently have. Doctson a taller guy, little lean, good hands, another great athlete. Fits the mold of some of the bigger slots Gailey has had in the past and could play outside too. I think either you could move all over the formation just like Decker and Marshall can. Could be a real challenge for defenses.

[bitonti]

12 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I know some have him going a little higher than 20, but if he's there what about this guy?

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133481/jack-conklin

We'd clear another $5M+ in savings from Brick over Breno, and at the drop of a hat it's a far easier task to find a RT replacement (right after the draft or next year) than LT. Particularly if we fill the opening in FA, where LTs cost a good lot more than RTs. I wouldn't sweat the extra 1 season of carrying Breno over Brick (if it even came to that), but we're not winning a SB this year anyway and, when we are, I'd hate to look back and remember we passed up on a LT in round 1 because of a temporary perceived higher need in a 2016 where we finished 7-9 or 8-8 anyway. Not like we have a QB for either one to block for anyway.

Other than what I read, has anyone watched him who could say what's good/bad about him if he's there at 20?

Conklin is a good run blocker and a tough guy but his LT prospects are similar to Jason Fabini. He can do it (just barely) but he's slighly out of position (would be better LT). He's a plug and play RT though and that's also a need. 

 

Jason Spriggs should be the LT target. He's the only legit LT prospect outside of Tunsil and Stanley, just my opinion. 

[JiFtheOracle]

This draft sucks.  Worst talent level I can remember in years.

It's so bad, there is legit conversation about a CB who had 3 career INT's in college going possibly #1 overall.

WTF?

 

[drdetroit]

13 hours ago, Powpow said:

Lynch? Don't we need a QB? If Lynch falls past the Rams he must be the pick or there's something other than coffee in Mac's Starbucks mug.

Dude Lynch sucks.  Played in a one read spread offense that is producing a lot of bad pro qb's right now. 

 

Watch the the combine highlights of him he had difficulty with accuracy he struggled to hit open receivers playing shorts and a t-shirt