Miss Lonelyhearts Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Process shmocess. All I care about is whether he kicks the dog after we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 8 hours ago, peebag said: So it's not a "win now" team but a team in rebuild mode...hhhmmmm. So why did we bring back Fitzy? Because there just weren't any legitimate alternatives at QB this past offseason. The Jets have been picking QBs in the draft for the past decade or so hoping that they land a 4th-rounder-turned-Tom-Brady miracle, which is like trying to find a scientific way to win lotto. Let's face reality, Petty will never be anything more than another version of Kellen Clemens, and I don't think Hack is ready to put on an NFL jock strap, let alone start. We've all seen what happens when Geno Smith steps onto the field, although I still would be curious to see what he can do with Brandon Marshall and Decker if they were healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 4 hours ago, Smashmouth said: There is no doubt this team had playoffs written all over it. We were supposed to have a monster DL We signed and drafted fast LB's which has been a weakness for quite some time. Rebuilding teams do not sign 30+ year old players teams that think they can win now do. Unfortunately our Head Coach is a moron and has no clue how to deal with the personnel he's been given and it glaringly obvious. I really think this guy is getting close to losing this locker room as well as the players on the field Mauldin and Lee can be classified as speed rushers if used correctly but Mauldin does not see the field much as of late and Lee is still getting comfortable in this crappy ass defense we run. After 5 games Bowles still can not see that his corners need some help over top since teams are burning us weekly and they are doing it the exact same way with no adjustment from the Jets. Physically and talent wise this team was in every game this year but when you cant coach and adjust you simply cant win The 4 DT DL is an abortion. The Jets are too slow off the edges to get to the QB. They have a 3/4 LB Corps. So most times this group is playing out of position. The loss of Snacks has hurt this team. The signing of another DT who now starts has compounded the issue. I just don't see how the HC or DC can be held accountable for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 7 hours ago, JiF said: The facts are obvious and completely support my claim. Mac spent a fortune on a vet secondary, traded for a vet WR, traded vet QB, signed a LT, DT and RB. His draft was nothing but supplemental picks to fill holes. See no further than reaching for an ILB in the first round as they couldnt land one in FA and had to fill the loss of Davis. And he dumped nearly all the young talent from the other regime to make way for this veteran led playoff bound team. Everything Mac has done is a win now approach. Everything. I think Mac could be scouting any number of players from ND and Clemson. I also think he was held hostage by Ryan Fitzpatrick and drafted the least NFL ready QB in the draft in the 2nd round and is currently carrying 4 sh*tty QB's. So there is a great chance he has no ******* clue how to handle the QB position. I don't agree with the bolded, wasn't Erin Henderson signed before the draft to be the starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 6 hours ago, 56mehl56 said: Better college career not necessarily a far better prospect. In all honesty, It is hard to imagine a more inaccurate passer than Hackenberg. I think CC will be ready and far more quickly. I saw Hack in his last year and while his team was of no help at all, Hack was downright brutal most times. Missed receivers by 5 or more yards. Tools do not a quarterback make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 4 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: Sheldon is untradable, just like Revis. Mac needs to eat that mess, and just move on. Actually, he's not untradable. $8mil next year. Someone would pay up if he has a big year. You won't get a 1st for him but maybe like a conditional 3rd or so. Mo was at like $15 mil tag n was looking for a 100 mil deal. Sheldon would be at $8mil. Having said that, it wouldn't be wise to trade away Sheldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 9 hours ago, Matt39 said: @Sperm Edwards did we lose a comp pick on Snacks because we signed Jenkins from the Bears? Short answer or long answer? Short answer is yes, but more "yes and no" depending upon how you look at it. Also since I have something of an allergy to giving short answers: We lost 3 UFAs (remember players cut don't count, nor do players signed elsewhere for the league minimum, like Douzable, Allen, Walls, etc.) Snacks (likely 4th round comp pick) Ivory (likely 5th round) D.Davis (likely 6th round) We signed 3 UFAs from other teams: Forte McLendon Jenkins We also re-signed 3 of our own UFAs in Powell, Fitzpatrick, and in the strictest sense, Mo. Had we not signed any of them, we'd have been due a comp pick for any/all of them as well (up to a maximum of 4 cumulatively for the year). The formula doesn't really care if you're adding one that is so much less valuable than you lost, if the totals are equal. Like you brought up, Jenkins vs. Snacks. However if that number is not equal (i.e. we lost one more than we gained) the formula will try to match up lost and gained ones. So: Lost Ivory $7M: signed Forte $4M. Lost Davis $4M, signed McLendon $3M. That leaves us with lost Snacks $9M...signed Jenkins $3M. Even though Snacks got $9M per on a long deal and Jenkins $3M per on a short deal, yes they'd cancel each other out because there's no one else less valuable for Jenkins to cancel. The reason I say "yes and no" is merely because it wasn't Jenkins specifically that cancelled out Snacks. More like we lost 3 and picked up 3. Up to you how you want to claim who was cancelled out by whom. But the reason I say short answer is yes is because Forte and McLendon are starters so it could be better argued they were "worth" losing the pick. Adding Jenkins ended up being just idiotic, so my short answer is yes Jenkins cancelled out Snacks. Therefore, indirectly, we gave up a 4th round pick next year to sign Jenkins on a 1 yr $3M deal plus a 1 yr $3M team option. If/when we don't re-sign Jenkins, we'd recoup a comp pick as long as someone forks over more than the league minimum, but it won't be worth nearly a 4th rounder in 2017. Best realistic hope is a 7th rounder in 2018 or 2019, but even that would require Maccagnan to let it happen, and he's as bad as Tannenbaum at throwing away comp picks on backup scrubs, so forget it. Also a 7th rd comp pick rarely has any tangible value anyway. If one wanted to be fair to MM, which I personally don't want to be right now, he was desperately trying to trade Mo (and failed). The idea was (presumably) after he'd traded Mo then we'd need depth behind Sheldon and Williams. I'm guessing Jenkins was brought in to be that depth. Then on top of that, it wasn't yet known how many games Sheldon would be suspended back in the early spring when we signed Jenkins. That's the best case to be made for signing Jenkins. Frankly it's still a sucky answer. One doesn't trade a 4th rounder to rent a meh player to maybe start for somewhere between 1-8 games at $3M (if he doesn't get injured himself). We could have just brought back Douzable and it wouldn't have cost us a pick at all. Just mindless. Little things like this are why I don't think much of Maccagnan as a GM. Give up a pick here, give up a pick there, and before you know it we've surrendered a handful of picks in 2 offseasons, from a guy who's supposed to know what to do with them when we're on the clock. Honestly it's one of the things Idzik did very well (unfortunately he then botched the picks themselves, making it moot in the end). Re-signing Douzable for $800K and no pick, instead of Jenkins at over 3x that amount plus a 4th rounder, was a no-brainer move. It only makes it worse that we're now short another 4th rounder next year because we traded it for a 5th rounder this year to draft Shell. Any other short questions for me? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 NY Jets: An Open Letter to Mike Maccagnan on the State of His Team 113 Dear Mike, I hope this message finds you well. I would imagine these are difficult times, however. Your team is 1-4. For the first time in your tenure, you either aren’t a beacon of popularity among Jets fans, or that point is likely coming in the next few weeks. Stay strong. I know as well as you do that 2016 was never a make or break year for you. Sure, you did your best to put a competitive team on the field. Why wouldn’t you? It certainly was possible to try and have a decent year in a way that didn’t hurt your team’s long-term prospects for success. This was a team that could have snuck into the Playoffs if things broke correctly. We all know of the teams that catch lightning in a bottle while there. As long as you aren’t hurting the team’s chances of building a young base of talent for the future, why not do what you can to try to compete in the present? It doesn’t look like things are going to work out this year. That’s fine. The success of your tenure was never really about 2015 or 2016 anyway. It was always about building a foundation of young players to make the Jets a consistent contender in years three and beyond. That’s what I’m here to talk to you about. You see, Mike, I am starting to have some concern. For many players, the biggest improvement comes between the first and second seasons. Your first draft class is now in year two. Leonard Williams has been everything you have hoped for. This is a player who seems to have blossomed between years one and two into the Pro Bowl talent you and I were hoping he would become. It’s easy to say it was an obvious pick now, but I’m sure you remember people complaining on Draft night that the Jets took another defensive lineman instead of a position of need. Your willingness to Draft for impact is greatly appreciated. I must talk about the rest of your 2015 Draft class, though. As good as Williams has been, the rest have not shown signs of growth yet. I find that disturbing. Devin Smith has been dealing with serious injuries since he set foot on the field. Sometimes you just hit bad luck. We will see in the weeks and months following his anticipated return what type of player he can be for this team. Lorenzo Mauldin, however, has not blossomed into the starter this team was counting on him to be. When training camp started, he was supposed to be the sure starter. He seemed to play himself out of that role in camp and the preseason. He is right back in the limited role he was in a year ago, far from the growth a young cornerstone is supposed to provide in year two. Your fourth round pick, Bryce Petty did show some degree of growth in his second preseason. He looked solid enough to earn a second year on the team. That is not the same as saying he is on a trajectory to be a plus starter for this team, however. The coaching staff seemed to try to give him every chance to earn the backup quarterback job. He quite literally threw it away in the third preseason game against the Giants and showed himself unable to pass Geno Smith on the depth chart. Given that your regime seems to think not too highly of Smith given its refusal to insert him into the lineup as Ryan Fitzpatrick is falling apart. The fact Petty found himself unable to beat out Smith should be enough to give even his most ardent fan pause about his trajectory if the goal is eventually for him to be the starting quarterback on this team. Your fifth round pick, Jarvis Harrison, is gone. Your seventh round pick, Deon Simon is starting to get some snaps. Those snaps are limited, though. I would not expect a seventh rounder to be a starter by year two, but Simon’s future is based largely on projection, not production. Thus, you currently have one player from your first Draft class who currently projects as a long-term starter. Others might develop, but we are in the hope phase with them. That is different than the proven phase we are in with Williams. Mike, I know you are committed to building a successful team through the Draft. Every general manager says it, but you have backed it up. Your team’s website indicates you currently have nine scouts whose only job is to work on the Draft, an investment you spearheaded. Atlanta was the only team I found who had more with ten. Buffalo was the only other team with nine. Now of course some teams don’t make this information easily accessible to the public. Others teams have wildly different structures with people working to scout both the pros and college. And you know as well as I do that there are more staffers helping the scouting process than just the full-time scouts. With that said, you clearly have made investment in a robust college scouting infrastructure a priority of your tenure with the Jets. That is to be commended. Half of the battle is indeed having the infrastructure to make good evaluations. The infrastructure alone is not enough, however. In many ways your job when you draft players is no different from any hiring manager recruiting on a college. It is an inexact science. Of course there are good hiring managers and bad hiring managers. The good ones do their homework. They thoroughly examine the traits on which college students will fit the culture of their companies, work hard, and have the attributes to fill the specific roles for which they will be hired. The good ones make the right hires more often than not. The bad ones miss more often than not. It is impossible for even the best ones to get it right all of the time, though. Sometimes even the guy with the best resume and all of the social skills in the interview just doesn’t pan out. Maybe he took a lot of easy classes to inflate his GPA but didn’t have the right work ethic. Maybe the skills he needed to get good grades are fundamentally different from the ones needed to succeed in your office. Maybe his personality won’t fit with your office. Maybe he won’t like the city or be inspired by the work. A good manager will get these things right more than he gets them wrong, but it is impossible to get these things right all of the time. The teams that are really smart in the NFL tend to understand this principle and build themselves a margin for error. Think about some of the teams in the NFL who are known for being great at developing talent. The Steelers are one. Since 2010, their average Draft class has been 8.4 players. The Packers are another. Their average class in that same span has 8.6 players. The Ravens are another. Their average class has 8.9 players in that span. You get 7 to start with. Those teams add more than 1 extra pick each season. Both of your classes to this date have 6 players. You have ended with less than you have started with. It isn’t totally your fault, Mike. Those are teams that utilize the compensatory pick system. It is a system designed to give extra picks to teams that gain more than they lose in free agency. In 2015, the Jets received no compensatory picks because your predecessor signed too many free agents in the 2014 offseason. Yes, Mike, John Idzik signed too many free agents in 2014 for the Jets to get compensatory picks in 2015. I’m not making that up. I promise. In 2016 you did not receive any. Again, this was understandable. Your team barely had any talent when you arrived in 2015. You had to make moves in free agency to try to up the base of talent. Almost anybody would have done the same. There was simply no way you were going to add compensatory picks for 2016. You also started the 2015 Draft a pick light because your predecessor so brilliantly traded away one of your picks for an eight game rental of Percy Harvin after the team was already out of the Playoff race. Part of your light Draft hauls have been the result of you making your own trades of picks for veteran players. You have dealt picks for Brandon Marshall, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Zac Stacy, and Ryan Clady. The Stacy move did not pan out, but nobody would blame you for making these trades. What is more likely to have value for the team? Is it a proven veteran or a late round lottery ticket? Marshall is a star. Fitzpatrick has struggled this year, but helped the team a lot last year. Clady has helped bring some degree of stability. How could anybody be against giving up a late round pick for players of this caliber? You don’t have to be. There isn’t anything wrong with using picks in trades to improve your team. The Patriots frequently bolster their roster by trading Draft picks for established players. They traded a fourth round pick for Aqib Talib a few years back to provide stability for their secondary. They traded another fourth rounder years ago for Randy Moss, who was rejuvenated playing with Tom Brady and turned into one of the most dynamic threats in the league. The Patriots can make these trades because they always have a surplus of picks from both aiming to gain compensatory picks and by trading down in the Draft. They had another fourth round pick in hand to replace the one they traded for Talib. The same went for Moss. The same went for many of their trades. Bolster your roster by trading picks, Mike, but please make sure going forward you replenish your stockpile by trading down and adding compensatory picks where applicable. Yes, a Clady or a Marshall gives you a better chance of finding value than a fifth round pick. It is also a fact of life that the salary cap forces each team to carry a lot of minimum or near minimum salary players. Tell me whether it is more likely to find a good minimum salary player with a sixth round pick, a seventh round pick AND a fifth round pick in hard, or just a sixth and a seventh? You have only traded down once in two years. You may have invested in a top flight scouting department, but you aren’t giving them a fair chance if you do not maximize your picks by trading down. If you only give Tom Brady 10 passes, you might find he is in a cold streak and only connects 4 of them. That isn’t an indication Brady is bad. It is an indication he had bad luck and was caught in a small sample size. If you give him 35 passes, eventually the randomness of the cold streak will be cancelled out, and with more reps the great passer will shine through. I am not saying your scouting department is going to be Tom Brady, but these six player classes simply will not do. A small sample size of players you draft leaves too much up to luck. Your scouting staff’s skill will not shine through unless you draft enough players for the bad breaks to be cancelled out by the good ones. With a bigger 2015 class, there might be more success stories, and the team would not have so much staked on Smith overcoming his injuries and Mauldin his struggles. There would be other opportunities for the team to have success. Your trades and subsequent inability to replace the picks you traded will impact this team in another way. This spring there was an offensive lineman named Brandon Shell you and your staff apparently loved. You traded a future fourth round pick to get him. As things stand right now, that pick would be around the 102nd in the upcoming Draft. You picked Shell with the 158th pick of last year’s. You don’t need to have an advanced background in numbers or analysis to know which of these two picks is likely to produce more in value. 158th pick of the 2016 Draft 102nd pick of the 2017 Draft The sin wasn’t in wanting Shell. It was that you left yourself in a position where the only way to get Shell was to give up an asset far more valuable than the one you would use to obtain Shell. If you had played your cards better and traded down before this happened, you likely could have had Shell without giving up your 2017 fourth rounder. A move like this every now and then won’t hurt too much, but I implore you to not make this a habit. These are small things. Just like letting an oil change go for an extra 100 miles probably won’t hurt your car, it will add up over time if you put it off frequently enough. Similarly, these moves will add up and hurt your ability to maximize your Draft hauls if you do them repeatedly. Let us resolve that this trade was a one-time deal. In the future, have the Draft capital at your fingertips to get a Shell without giving up something more valuable. With that in mind, I have one further suggestion. You signed a veteran defensive lineman named Jarvis Jenkins to a free agent deal over the offseason. At this point, the move appears to be the worst of all worlds. You only get 53 roster spots. It is a zero sum game. A spot that goes to one player is one less spot at your disposal. With this in mind, you must do everything within your power to maximize the value all roster spots. Every spot should go to either a player who is providing value right now or to somebody your team is developing for a future role. I have nothing personal against Jenkins, but he is averaging under 14 snaps per game while eating up over $2 million in cap space. Forget about the cap space, although it could have been used to bolster another spot of the roster on a player who would see the field more frequently. How much value is Jenkins providing in those snaps. In such a limited role, how much of a negative impact would giving those reps to a younger player have on this team? Would the young player be noticeably worse on 25% of the snaps. Even then we are talking about an impact on less than 4 plays each game for one of the eleven players on the field. If this team is to be building a young core for future years, that roster spot is not a resource the team can waste like that, Mike. And on top of that, you appear to be on track to lose a compensatory pick because you signed Jenkins instead of going with a younger player. In fact, despite having almost no money to spend in the offseason and losing a number of starters to free agency, one projection says you will add no compensatory picks in 2017. Mike, that is like throwing away found money since we both have the long-term vision of finding young talent. Mike, I want you to succeed very much. There are certain philosophical areas where I really am encouraged by what you are doing. There are a number of moves you have made that I really like. I worry about you, though. I see some areas where you aren’t putting yourself in the best possible position to succeed. 2015 and 2016 are done, but going forward, let’s resolve to maximize our chances of building a long-term base of talent that can keep the Jets contending year in and year out. Your friend, John B http://www.ganggreennation.com/2016/10/12/13251266/ny-jets-an-open-letter-to-mike-maccagnan-on-the-state-of-his-team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 8 hours ago, j4jets said: Actually, he's not untradable. $8mil next year. Someone would pay up if he has a big year. You won't get a 1st for him but maybe like a conditional 3rd or so. Mo was at like $15 mil tag n was looking for a 100 mil deal. Sheldon would be at $8mil. Having said that, it wouldn't be wise to trade away Sheldon. Why wouldn't it be wise? He's got no position here and he's a redundant asset. There's no need for him on this team and he's also a strike away from a real long suspension. Get what you can for him and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Why wouldn't it be wise? He's got no position here and he's a redundant asset. There's no need for him on this team and he's also a strike away from a real long suspension. Get what you can for him and move on. Exactly. You pick two. If you want Mo and Sheldon, you don't pick Williams. If you pick Williams, you choose between Mo and Sheldon. What you don't do is keep all 3 and either out two of them out of position in a nickel base, or one of them out of position when going back to a 3-4 base. After having extended Mo, there is only one answer. Maybe if one wanted to see if all 3 of them (and McLendon) could work 4 across, in more than just run defense, one could rationalize keeping Sheldon for 2016 because they're all so talented. Now that it's shown it's one DT body too many, no matter how talented Sheldon is, at $8M it points to only one answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 20 hours ago, peebag said: So it's not a "win now" team but a team in rebuild mode...hhhmmmm. So why did we bring back Fitzy? exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Short answer or long answer? Short answer is yes, but more "yes and no" depending upon how you look at it. Also since I have something of an allergy to giving short answers: We lost 3 UFAs (remember players cut don't count, nor do players signed elsewhere for the league minimum, like Douzable, Allen, Walls, etc.) Snacks (likely 4th round comp pick) Ivory (likely 5th round) D.Davis (likely 6th round) We signed 3 UFAs from other teams: Forte McLendon Jenkins We also re-signed 3 of our own UFAs in Powell, Fitzpatrick, and in the strictest sense, Mo. Had we not signed any of them, we'd have been due a comp pick for any/all of them as well (up to a maximum of 4 cumulatively for the year). The formula doesn't really care if you're adding one that is so much less valuable than you lost, if the totals are equal. Like you brought up, Jenkins vs. Snacks. However if that number is not equal (i.e. we lost one more than we gained) the formula will try to match up lost and gained ones. So: Lost Ivory $7M: signed Forte $4M. Lost Davis $4M, signed McLendon $3M. That leaves us with lost Snacks $9M...signed Jenkins $3M. Even though Snacks got $9M per on a long deal and Jenkins $3M per on a short deal, yes they'd cancel each other out because there's no one else less valuable for Jenkins to cancel. The reason I say "yes and no" is merely because it wasn't Jenkins specifically that cancelled out Snacks. More like we lost 3 and picked up 3. Up to you how you want to claim who was cancelled out by whom. But the reason I say short answer is yes is because Forte and McLendon are starters so it could be better argued they were "worth" losing the pick. Adding Jenkins ended up being just idiotic, so my short answer is yes Jenkins cancelled out Snacks. Therefore, indirectly, we gave up a 4th round pick next year to sign Jenkins on a 1 yr $3M deal plus a 1 yr $3M team option. If/when we don't re-sign Jenkins, we'd recoup a comp pick as long as someone forks over more than the league minimum, but it won't be worth nearly a 4th rounder in 2017. Best realistic hope is a 7th rounder in 2018 or 2019, but even that would require Maccagnan to let it happen, and he's as bad as Tannenbaum at throwing away comp picks on backup scrubs, so forget it. Also a 7th rd comp pick rarely has any tangible value anyway. If one wanted to be fair to MM, which I personally don't want to be right now, he was desperately trying to trade Mo (and failed). The idea was (presumably) after he'd traded Mo then we'd need depth behind Sheldon and Williams. I'm guessing Jenkins was brought in to be that depth. Then on top of that, it wasn't yet known how many games Sheldon would be suspended back in the early spring when we signed Jenkins. That's the best case to be made for signing Jenkins. Frankly it's still a sucky answer. One doesn't trade a 4th rounder to rent a meh player to maybe start for somewhere between 1-8 games at $3M (if he doesn't get injured himself). We could have just brought back Douzable and it wouldn't have cost us a pick at all. Just mindless. Little things like this are why I don't think much of Maccagnan as a GM. Give up a pick here, give up a pick there, and before you know it we've surrendered a handful of picks in 2 offseasons, from a guy who's supposed to know what to do with them when we're on the clock. Honestly it's one of the things Idzik did very well (unfortunately he then botched the picks themselves, making it moot in the end). Re-signing Douzable for $800K and no pick, instead of Jenkins at over 3x that amount plus a 4th rounder, was a no-brainer move. It only makes it worse that we're now short another 4th rounder next year because we traded it for a 5th rounder this year to draft Shell. Any other short questions for me? lol All you needed was Jason's Comp Pick explanation and cancellation chart. No need to write a treatise. this: http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ AFC East Buffalo Bills Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Nigel Bradham 6 $3,500,000 Zach Brown 7 $1,250,000 Ron Brooks 7 $1,833,333 Lorenzo Alexander 7 $885,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Corey White 7 $840,000 Robert Blanton 7 $840,000 Colt Anderson 7 $840,000 New England Patriots Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Akiem Hicks 6 $5,000,000 Tavon Wilson 7 $1,100,000 Shea McClellin 7 $2,816,666 Miami Dolphins Qualifying UFAs Lost: 4 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Olivier Vernon 3 $16,750,000 Lamar Miller 5 $6,500,000 Rishard Matthews 6 $5,000,000 Isa Abdul-Quddus 6 $4,250,000 Derrick Shelby 6 $4,450,000 Andre Branch 7 $2,703,125 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Kelvin Sheppard 7 $840,000 Sam Young 7 $910,000 New York Jets Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Damon Harrison 4 $9,000,000 Matt Forte 6 $4,000,000 Chris Ivory 5 $6,400,000 Steve McLendon 6 $3,500,000 Demario Davis 6 $3,900,000 Jarvis Jenkins 7 $2,250,000 AFC North Baltimore Ravens Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Kelechi Osemele 3 $11,200,000 Matt Schaub 7 $1,750,000 Eric Weddle 4 $6,500,000 Courtney Upshaw 7 $1,250,000 Ben Watson 7 $3,500,000 Cleveland Browns Qualifying UFAs Lost: 6 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Mack 3 $9,000,000 Tashaun Gipson 4 $7,106,250 Mitchell Schwartz 4 $6,512,000 Travis Benjamin 5 $6,000,000 Johnson Bademosi 7 $2,250,000 Demario Davis 6 $3,900,000 Craig Robertson 7 $1,333,333 Cincinnati Bengals Qualifying UFAs Lost: 6 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Marvin Jones 4 $8,000,000 Mohamed Sanu 5 $6,500,000 Reggie Nelson 6 $4,000,000 Andre Smith 6 $3,218,750 Emmanuel Lamur 7 $2,700,000 Wallace Gilberry 7 $1,225,000 Pittsburgh Steelers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 5 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Kelvin Beachum 5 $5,375,000 Steve McLendon 6 $3,500,000 Ladarius Green 6 $5,000,000 Sean Spence 7 $2,468,750 Ryan Harris 7 $1,950,000 Antwon Blake 7 $1,500,000 Will Johnson 7 $1,150,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Byron Stingily 7 $780,000 Steven Johnson 7 $840,000 Jordan Todman 7 $760,000 Ricardo Mathews 7 $760,000 AFC South Houston Texans Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Brock Osweiler 3 $18,000,000 Brandon Brooks 4 $8,000,000 Jeff Allen 4 $6,875,000 Jared Crick 7 $1,750,000 Lamar Miller 5 $6,500,000 Ben Jones 6 $4,375,000 Tony Bergstrom 7 $2,875,000 Indianapolis Colts Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Coby Fleener 4 $7,120,000 Jerrell Freeman 6 $4,000,000 Patrick Robinson 6 $4,666,667 Dwight Lowery 7 $2,400,000 Scott Tolzien 7 $1,750,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Greg Toler 7 $840,000 Robert Turbin 7 $760,000 Colt Anderson 7 $840,000 Jordan Todman 7 $760,000 Jacksonville Jaguars Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Malik Jackson 3 $14,250,000 Tashaun Gipson 4 $7,106,250 Chris Ivory 5 $6,400,000 Stefen Wisniewski 7 $1,510,000 Kelvin Beachum 5 $5,375,000 Bryan Anger 7 $1,750,000 Prince Amukamara 6 $5,343,750 Andre Branch 7 $2,703,125 Brad Nortman 7 $2,200,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Sam Young 7 $910,000 Tennessee Titans Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Ben Jones 6 $4,375,000 Rishard Matthews 6 $5,000,000 Joe Looney 7 $1,660,000 Sean Spence 7 $2,468,750 Zach Brown 7 $1,250,000 Rashad Johnson 7 $2,000,000 Matt Cassel 7 $2,000,000 Antwon Blake 7 $1,500,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Steven Johnson 7 $840,000 AFC West Denver Broncos Qualifying UFAs Lost: 7 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Brock Osweiler 3 $18,000,000 Malik Jackson 3 $14,250,000 Danny Trevathan 5 $6,025,000 Evan Mathis 6 $4,000,000 Russell Okung 6 $4,000,000 David Bruton 7 $2,962,500 Donald Stephenson 6 $4,666,667 Vernon Davis 7 $2,281,250 Jared Crick 7 $1,750,000 Ryan Harris 7 $1,950,000 Kansas City Chiefs Qualifying UFAs Lost: 5 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Sean Smith 3 $9,250,000 Jeff Allen 4 $6,875,000 Mitchell Schwartz 4 $6,512,000 Chase Daniel 5 $7,000,000 Donald Stephenson 6 $4,666,667 Tyvon Branch 6 $4,000,000 San Diego Chargers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Eric Weddle 4 $6,500,000 Travis Benjamin 5 $6,000,000 Patrick Robinson 6 $4,666,667 Casey Hayward 6 $5,100,000 Ladarius Green 6 $5,000,000 Brandon Mebane 6 $4,500,000 Dwight Lowery 7 $2,400,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Ricardo Mathews 7 $760,000 Oakland Raiders Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Kelechi Osemele 3 $11,200,000 Lorenzo Alexander 7 $885,000 Sean Smith 3 $9,250,000 Tony Bergstrom 7 $2,875,000 Bruce Irvin 4 $9,000,000 J’Marcus Webb 7 $2,870,000 Reggie Nelson 6 $4,000,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Rod Streater 7 $810,000 NFC East New York Giants Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 5 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Olivier Vernon 3 $16,750,000 Janoris Jenkins 3 $12,400,000 Damon Harrison 4 $9,000,000 Robert Ayers 5 $6,500,000 Keenan Robinson 7 $2,434,375 Prince Amukamara 6 $5,343,750 Will Johnson 7 $1,150,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Kelvin Sheppard 7 $840,000 Bobby Rainey 7 $840,000 Byron Stingily 7 $780,000 Dallas Cowboys Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Cedric Thornton 6 $4,250,000 Matt Cassel 7 $2,000,000 Alfred Morris 7 $1,750,000 Joe Looney 7 $1,660,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Robert Turbin 7 $760,000 Philadelphia Eagles Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Brandon Brooks 4 $8,000,000 Rodney McLeod 4 $7,000,000 Chase Daniel 5 $7,000,000 Cedric Thornton 6 $4,250,000 Nigel Bradham 6 $3,500,000 Ron Brooks 7 $1,833,333 Stefen Wisniewski 7 $1,510,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Thaddeus Lewis 7 $760,000 Washington Redskins Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Josh Norman 3 $15,000,000 Keenan Robinson 7 $2,434,375 David Bruton 7 $2,962,500 Alfred Morris 7 $1,750,000 Vernon Davis 7 $2,281,250 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Greg Toler 7 $840,000 NFC North Chicago Bears Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 5 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Bobby Massie 5 $5,868,750 Danny Trevathan 5 $6,025,000 Matt Forte 6 $4,000,000 Akiem Hicks 6 $5,000,000 Jarvis Jenkins 7 $2,250,000 Jerrell Freeman 6 $4,000,000 Shea McClellin 7 $2,816,666 Ted Larsen 7 $1,562,500 Detroit Lions Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 5 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Marvin Jones 4 $8,000,000 Isa Abdul-Quddus 6 $4,250,000 Johnson Bademosi 7 $2,250,000 Rafael Bush 7 $1,265,625 Wallace Gilberry 7 $1,225,000 Tavon Wilson 7 $1,100,000 Green Bay Packers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Casey Hayward 6 $5,100,000 Scott Tolzien 7 $1,750,000 Minnesota Vikings Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Boone 5 $6,600,000 Andre Smith 6 $3,218,750 Josh Robinson 7 $2,000,000 Emmanuel Lamur 7 $2,700,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Robert Blanton 7 $840,000 NFC South Atlanta Falcons Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Mack 3 $9,000,000 Mohamed Sanu 5 $6,500,000 Derrick Shelby 6 $4,450,000 Gino Gradkowski 7 $1,050,000 Matt Schaub 7 $1,750,000 Sean Weatherspoon 7 $1,468,750 Courtney Upshaw 7 $1,250,000 Carolina Panthers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Josh Norman 3 $15,000,000 Brad Nortman 7 $2,200,000 Gino Gradkowski 7 $1,050,000 New Orleans Saints Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Coby Fleener 4 $7,120,000 Ben Watson 7 $3,500,000 Nick Fairley 7 $3,000,000 Rafael Bush 7 $1,265,625 Craig Robertson 7 $1,333,333 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 0 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Robert Ayers 5 $6,500,000 J.R. Sweezy 5 $6,500,000 Josh Robinson 7 $2,000,000 Bryan Anger 7 $1,750,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Bobby Rainey 7 $840,000 NFC West Arizona Cardinals Qualifying UFAs Lost: 5 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Bobby Massie 5 $5,868,750 Rashad Johnson 7 $2,000,000 Evan Mathis 6 $4,000,000 Sean Weatherspoon 7 $1,468,750 Tyvon Branch 6 $4,000,000 Ted Larsen 7 $1,562,500 Bradley Sowell 7 $1,000,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Corey White 7 $840,000 Los Angeles Rams Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Janoris Jenkins 3 $12,400,000 Rodney McLeod 4 $7,000,000 Nick Fairley 7 $3,000,000 San Francisco 49ers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Boone 5 $6,600,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Rod Streater 7 $810,000 Thaddeus Lewis 7 $760,000 Seattle Seahawks Qualifying UFAs Lost: 4 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Bruce Irvin 4 $9,000,000 J.R. Sweezy 5 $6,500,000 Russell Okung 6 $4,000,000 Bradley Sowell 7 $1,000,000 Brandon Mebane 6 $4,500,000 J’Marcus Webb 7 $2,870,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Why wouldn't it be wise? He's got no position here and he's a redundant asset. There's no need for him on this team and he's also a strike away from a real long suspension. Get what you can for him and move on. Thanks Mangini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 10 hours ago, maury77 said: I don't agree with the bolded, wasn't Erin Henderson signed before the draft to be the starter? You're right, they did resign him but I dont think Erin Henderson prevents you from getting better at the position, especially when David Harris is a wet log. I think Lee was 100% a move that they thought filled the only void on the defensive side of the ball. We already know Bowles bitched about drafting Paxton Lynch, you dont think this has his hands all over it after that Buffalo game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 16 minutes ago, Dcat said: All you needed was Jason's Comp Pick explanation and cancellation chart. No need to write a treatise. this: http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ AFC East Buffalo Bills Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Nigel Bradham 6 $3,500,000 Zach Brown 7 $1,250,000 Ron Brooks 7 $1,833,333 Lorenzo Alexander 7 $885,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Corey White 7 $840,000 Robert Blanton 7 $840,000 Colt Anderson 7 $840,000 New England Patriots Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Akiem Hicks 6 $5,000,000 Tavon Wilson 7 $1,100,000 Shea McClellin 7 $2,816,666 Miami Dolphins Qualifying UFAs Lost: 4 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Olivier Vernon 3 $16,750,000 Lamar Miller 5 $6,500,000 Rishard Matthews 6 $5,000,000 Isa Abdul-Quddus 6 $4,250,000 Derrick Shelby 6 $4,450,000 Andre Branch 7 $2,703,125 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Kelvin Sheppard 7 $840,000 Sam Young 7 $910,000 New York Jets Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Damon Harrison 4 $9,000,000 Matt Forte 6 $4,000,000 Chris Ivory 5 $6,400,000 Steve McLendon 6 $3,500,000 Demario Davis 6 $3,900,000 Jarvis Jenkins 7 $2,250,000 AFC North Baltimore Ravens Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Kelechi Osemele 3 $11,200,000 Matt Schaub 7 $1,750,000 Eric Weddle 4 $6,500,000 Courtney Upshaw 7 $1,250,000 Ben Watson 7 $3,500,000 Cleveland Browns Qualifying UFAs Lost: 6 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Mack 3 $9,000,000 Tashaun Gipson 4 $7,106,250 Mitchell Schwartz 4 $6,512,000 Travis Benjamin 5 $6,000,000 Johnson Bademosi 7 $2,250,000 Demario Davis 6 $3,900,000 Craig Robertson 7 $1,333,333 Cincinnati Bengals Qualifying UFAs Lost: 6 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Marvin Jones 4 $8,000,000 Mohamed Sanu 5 $6,500,000 Reggie Nelson 6 $4,000,000 Andre Smith 6 $3,218,750 Emmanuel Lamur 7 $2,700,000 Wallace Gilberry 7 $1,225,000 Pittsburgh Steelers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 5 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Kelvin Beachum 5 $5,375,000 Steve McLendon 6 $3,500,000 Ladarius Green 6 $5,000,000 Sean Spence 7 $2,468,750 Ryan Harris 7 $1,950,000 Antwon Blake 7 $1,500,000 Will Johnson 7 $1,150,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Byron Stingily 7 $780,000 Steven Johnson 7 $840,000 Jordan Todman 7 $760,000 Ricardo Mathews 7 $760,000 AFC South Houston Texans Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Brock Osweiler 3 $18,000,000 Brandon Brooks 4 $8,000,000 Jeff Allen 4 $6,875,000 Jared Crick 7 $1,750,000 Lamar Miller 5 $6,500,000 Ben Jones 6 $4,375,000 Tony Bergstrom 7 $2,875,000 Indianapolis Colts Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Coby Fleener 4 $7,120,000 Jerrell Freeman 6 $4,000,000 Patrick Robinson 6 $4,666,667 Dwight Lowery 7 $2,400,000 Scott Tolzien 7 $1,750,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Greg Toler 7 $840,000 Robert Turbin 7 $760,000 Colt Anderson 7 $840,000 Jordan Todman 7 $760,000 Jacksonville Jaguars Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Malik Jackson 3 $14,250,000 Tashaun Gipson 4 $7,106,250 Chris Ivory 5 $6,400,000 Stefen Wisniewski 7 $1,510,000 Kelvin Beachum 5 $5,375,000 Bryan Anger 7 $1,750,000 Prince Amukamara 6 $5,343,750 Andre Branch 7 $2,703,125 Brad Nortman 7 $2,200,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Sam Young 7 $910,000 Tennessee Titans Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Ben Jones 6 $4,375,000 Rishard Matthews 6 $5,000,000 Joe Looney 7 $1,660,000 Sean Spence 7 $2,468,750 Zach Brown 7 $1,250,000 Rashad Johnson 7 $2,000,000 Matt Cassel 7 $2,000,000 Antwon Blake 7 $1,500,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Steven Johnson 7 $840,000 AFC West Denver Broncos Qualifying UFAs Lost: 7 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Brock Osweiler 3 $18,000,000 Malik Jackson 3 $14,250,000 Danny Trevathan 5 $6,025,000 Evan Mathis 6 $4,000,000 Russell Okung 6 $4,000,000 David Bruton 7 $2,962,500 Donald Stephenson 6 $4,666,667 Vernon Davis 7 $2,281,250 Jared Crick 7 $1,750,000 Ryan Harris 7 $1,950,000 Kansas City Chiefs Qualifying UFAs Lost: 5 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Sean Smith 3 $9,250,000 Jeff Allen 4 $6,875,000 Mitchell Schwartz 4 $6,512,000 Chase Daniel 5 $7,000,000 Donald Stephenson 6 $4,666,667 Tyvon Branch 6 $4,000,000 San Diego Chargers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Eric Weddle 4 $6,500,000 Travis Benjamin 5 $6,000,000 Patrick Robinson 6 $4,666,667 Casey Hayward 6 $5,100,000 Ladarius Green 6 $5,000,000 Brandon Mebane 6 $4,500,000 Dwight Lowery 7 $2,400,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Ricardo Mathews 7 $760,000 Oakland Raiders Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Kelechi Osemele 3 $11,200,000 Lorenzo Alexander 7 $885,000 Sean Smith 3 $9,250,000 Tony Bergstrom 7 $2,875,000 Bruce Irvin 4 $9,000,000 J’Marcus Webb 7 $2,870,000 Reggie Nelson 6 $4,000,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Rod Streater 7 $810,000 NFC East New York Giants Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 5 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Olivier Vernon 3 $16,750,000 Janoris Jenkins 3 $12,400,000 Damon Harrison 4 $9,000,000 Robert Ayers 5 $6,500,000 Keenan Robinson 7 $2,434,375 Prince Amukamara 6 $5,343,750 Will Johnson 7 $1,150,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Kelvin Sheppard 7 $840,000 Bobby Rainey 7 $840,000 Byron Stingily 7 $780,000 Dallas Cowboys Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Cedric Thornton 6 $4,250,000 Matt Cassel 7 $2,000,000 Alfred Morris 7 $1,750,000 Joe Looney 7 $1,660,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Robert Turbin 7 $760,000 Philadelphia Eagles Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Brandon Brooks 4 $8,000,000 Rodney McLeod 4 $7,000,000 Chase Daniel 5 $7,000,000 Cedric Thornton 6 $4,250,000 Nigel Bradham 6 $3,500,000 Ron Brooks 7 $1,833,333 Stefen Wisniewski 7 $1,510,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Thaddeus Lewis 7 $760,000 Washington Redskins Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Josh Norman 3 $15,000,000 Keenan Robinson 7 $2,434,375 David Bruton 7 $2,962,500 Alfred Morris 7 $1,750,000 Vernon Davis 7 $2,281,250 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Greg Toler 7 $840,000 NFC North Chicago Bears Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 5 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Bobby Massie 5 $5,868,750 Danny Trevathan 5 $6,025,000 Matt Forte 6 $4,000,000 Akiem Hicks 6 $5,000,000 Jarvis Jenkins 7 $2,250,000 Jerrell Freeman 6 $4,000,000 Shea McClellin 7 $2,816,666 Ted Larsen 7 $1,562,500 Detroit Lions Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 5 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Marvin Jones 4 $8,000,000 Isa Abdul-Quddus 6 $4,250,000 Johnson Bademosi 7 $2,250,000 Rafael Bush 7 $1,265,625 Wallace Gilberry 7 $1,225,000 Tavon Wilson 7 $1,100,000 Green Bay Packers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Casey Hayward 6 $5,100,000 Scott Tolzien 7 $1,750,000 Minnesota Vikings Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Boone 5 $6,600,000 Andre Smith 6 $3,218,750 Josh Robinson 7 $2,000,000 Emmanuel Lamur 7 $2,700,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Robert Blanton 7 $840,000 NFC South Atlanta Falcons Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 6 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Mack 3 $9,000,000 Mohamed Sanu 5 $6,500,000 Derrick Shelby 6 $4,450,000 Gino Gradkowski 7 $1,050,000 Matt Schaub 7 $1,750,000 Sean Weatherspoon 7 $1,468,750 Courtney Upshaw 7 $1,250,000 Carolina Panthers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 1 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Josh Norman 3 $15,000,000 Brad Nortman 7 $2,200,000 Gino Gradkowski 7 $1,050,000 New Orleans Saints Qualifying UFAs Lost: 2 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 3 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Coby Fleener 4 $7,120,000 Ben Watson 7 $3,500,000 Nick Fairley 7 $3,000,000 Rafael Bush 7 $1,265,625 Craig Robertson 7 $1,333,333 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 0 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 4 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Robert Ayers 5 $6,500,000 J.R. Sweezy 5 $6,500,000 Josh Robinson 7 $2,000,000 Bryan Anger 7 $1,750,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Bobby Rainey 7 $840,000 NFC West Arizona Cardinals Qualifying UFAs Lost: 5 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Bobby Massie 5 $5,868,750 Rashad Johnson 7 $2,000,000 Evan Mathis 6 $4,000,000 Sean Weatherspoon 7 $1,468,750 Tyvon Branch 6 $4,000,000 Ted Larsen 7 $1,562,500 Bradley Sowell 7 $1,000,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Corey White 7 $840,000 Los Angeles Rams Qualifying UFAs Lost: 3 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Janoris Jenkins 3 $12,400,000 Rodney McLeod 4 $7,000,000 Nick Fairley 7 $3,000,000 San Francisco 49ers Qualifying UFAs Lost: 1 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 0 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Alex Boone 5 $6,600,000 Non-Qualifying UFAs Lost Non-Qualifying UFAs Gained Rod Streater 7 $810,000 Thaddeus Lewis 7 $760,000 Seattle Seahawks Qualifying UFAs Lost: 4 Qualifying UFAs Gained: 2 Name Rd. APY Name Rd. APY Bruce Irvin 4 $9,000,000 J.R. Sweezy 5 $6,500,000 Russell Okung 6 $4,000,000 Bradley Sowell 7 $1,000,000 Brandon Mebane 6 $4,500,000 J’Marcus Webb 7 $2,870,000 Don't correct ME. Just nod and look at Miss Stein's rack. 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j4jets Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Short answer or long answer? Short answer is yes, but more "yes and no" depending upon how you look at it. Also since I have something of an allergy to giving short answers: We lost 3 UFAs (remember players cut don't count, nor do players signed elsewhere for the league minimum, like Douzable, Allen, Walls, etc.) Snacks (likely 4th round comp pick) Ivory (likely 5th round) D.Davis (likely 6th round) We signed 3 UFAs from other teams: Forte McLendon Jenkins We also re-signed 3 of our own UFAs in Powell, Fitzpatrick, and in the strictest sense, Mo. Had we not signed any of them, we'd have been due a comp pick for any/all of them as well (up to a maximum of 4 cumulatively for the year). The formula doesn't really care if you're adding one that is so much less valuable than you lost, if the totals are equal. Like you brought up, Jenkins vs. Snacks. However if that number is not equal (i.e. we lost one more than we gained) the formula will try to match up lost and gained ones. So: Lost Ivory $7M: signed Forte $4M. Lost Davis $4M, signed McLendon $3M. That leaves us with lost Snacks $9M...signed Jenkins $3M. Even though Snacks got $9M per on a long deal and Jenkins $3M per on a short deal, yes they'd cancel each other out because there's no one else less valuable for Jenkins to cancel. The reason I say "yes and no" is merely because it wasn't Jenkins specifically that cancelled out Snacks. More like we lost 3 and picked up 3. Up to you how you want to claim who was cancelled out by whom. But the reason I say short answer is yes is because Forte and McLendon are starters so it could be better argued they were "worth" losing the pick. Adding Jenkins ended up being just idiotic, so my short answer is yes Jenkins cancelled out Snacks. Therefore, indirectly, we gave up a 4th round pick next year to sign Jenkins on a 1 yr $3M deal plus a 1 yr $3M team option. If/when we don't re-sign Jenkins, we'd recoup a comp pick as long as someone forks over more than the league minimum, but it won't be worth nearly a 4th rounder in 2017. Best realistic hope is a 7th rounder in 2018 or 2019, but even that would require Maccagnan to let it happen, and he's as bad as Tannenbaum at throwing away comp picks on backup scrubs, so forget it. Also a 7th rd comp pick rarely has any tangible value anyway. If one wanted to be fair to MM, which I personally don't want to be right now, he was desperately trying to trade Mo (and failed). The idea was (presumably) after he'd traded Mo then we'd need depth behind Sheldon and Williams. I'm guessing Jenkins was brought in to be that depth. Then on top of that, it wasn't yet known how many games Sheldon would be suspended back in the early spring when we signed Jenkins. That's the best case to be made for signing Jenkins. Frankly it's still a sucky answer. One doesn't trade a 4th rounder to rent a meh player to maybe start for somewhere between 1-8 games at $3M (if he doesn't get injured himself). We could have just brought back Douzable and it wouldn't have cost us a pick at all. Just mindless. Little things like this are why I don't think much of Maccagnan as a GM. Give up a pick here, give up a pick there, and before you know it we've surrendered a handful of picks in 2 offseasons, from a guy who's supposed to know what to do with them when we're on the clock. Honestly it's one of the things Idzik did very well (unfortunately he then botched the picks themselves, making it moot in the end). Re-signing Douzable for $800K and no pick, instead of Jenkins at over 3x that amount plus a 4th rounder, was a no-brainer move. It only makes it worse that we're now short another 4th rounder next year because we traded it for a 5th rounder this year to draft Shell. Any other short questions for me? lol How's the weather? And good post. I agree with pretty much everything you said there. I have the slightest of hopes that NFL looks at this rather non-mathematically at times, in which case McClendon for Snacks wouldn't be a wash. I say that because NFL has NEVER published the comp pick calculations. The theory, which you described, is about 99% correct. So there's a 1% chance we get a comp for Snacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, JiF said: You're right, they did resign him but I dont think Erin Henderson prevents you from getting better at the position, especially when David Harris is a wet log. I think Lee was 100% a move that they thought filled the only void on the defensive side of the ball. We already know Bowles bitched about drafting Paxton Lynch, you dont think this has his hands all over it after that Buffalo game? You're using Adam Schein as a reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Short answer or long answer? Short answer is yes, but more "yes and no" depending upon how you look at it. Also since I have something of an allergy to giving short answers: We lost 3 UFAs (remember players cut don't count, nor do players signed elsewhere for the league minimum, like Douzable, Allen, Walls, etc.) Snacks (likely 4th round comp pick) Ivory (likely 5th round) D.Davis (likely 6th round) We signed 3 UFAs from other teams: Forte McLendon Jenkins We also re-signed 3 of our own UFAs in Powell, Fitzpatrick, and in the strictest sense, Mo. Had we not signed any of them, we'd have been due a comp pick for any/all of them as well (up to a maximum of 4 cumulatively for the year). The formula doesn't really care if you're adding one that is so much less valuable than you lost, if the totals are equal. Like you brought up, Jenkins vs. Snacks. However if that number is not equal (i.e. we lost one more than we gained) the formula will try to match up lost and gained ones. So: Lost Ivory $7M: signed Forte $4M. Lost Davis $4M, signed McLendon $3M. That leaves us with lost Snacks $9M...signed Jenkins $3M. Even though Snacks got $9M per on a long deal and Jenkins $3M per on a short deal, yes they'd cancel each other out because there's no one else less valuable for Jenkins to cancel. The reason I say "yes and no" is merely because it wasn't Jenkins specifically that cancelled out Snacks. More like we lost 3 and picked up 3. Up to you how you want to claim who was cancelled out by whom. But the reason I say short answer is yes is because Forte and McLendon are starters so it could be better argued they were "worth" losing the pick. Adding Jenkins ended up being just idiotic, so my short answer is yes Jenkins cancelled out Snacks. Therefore, indirectly, we gave up a 4th round pick next year to sign Jenkins on a 1 yr $3M deal plus a 1 yr $3M team option. If/when we don't re-sign Jenkins, we'd recoup a comp pick as long as someone forks over more than the league minimum, but it won't be worth nearly a 4th rounder in 2017. Best realistic hope is a 7th rounder in 2018 or 2019, but even that would require Maccagnan to let it happen, and he's as bad as Tannenbaum at throwing away comp picks on backup scrubs, so forget it. Also a 7th rd comp pick rarely has any tangible value anyway. If one wanted to be fair to MM, which I personally don't want to be right now, he was desperately trying to trade Mo (and failed). The idea was (presumably) after he'd traded Mo then we'd need depth behind Sheldon and Williams. I'm guessing Jenkins was brought in to be that depth. Then on top of that, it wasn't yet known how many games Sheldon would be suspended back in the early spring when we signed Jenkins. That's the best case to be made for signing Jenkins. Frankly it's still a sucky answer. One doesn't trade a 4th rounder to rent a meh player to maybe start for somewhere between 1-8 games at $3M (if he doesn't get injured himself). We could have just brought back Douzable and it wouldn't have cost us a pick at all. Just mindless. Little things like this are why I don't think much of Maccagnan as a GM. Give up a pick here, give up a pick there, and before you know it we've surrendered a handful of picks in 2 offseasons, from a guy who's supposed to know what to do with them when we're on the clock. Honestly it's one of the things Idzik did very well (unfortunately he then botched the picks themselves, making it moot in the end). Re-signing Douzable for $800K and no pick, instead of Jenkins at over 3x that amount plus a 4th rounder, was a no-brainer move. It only makes it worse that we're now short another 4th rounder next year because we traded it for a 5th rounder this year to draft Shell. Any other short questions for me? lol Here's one: Maccagnan has drafted precisely one (1) impact player in two years, handed out exorbitant contracts to guys who can't play, and seemingly has no awareness of what to do in situations like the one discussed here. What does he do well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, j4jets said: Thanks Mangini Well, at least you're defending your position well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, JiF said: You're right, they did resign him but I dont think Erin Henderson prevents you from getting better at the position, especially when David Harris is a wet log. I think Lee was 100% a move that they thought filled the only void on the defensive side of the ball. We already know Bowles bitched about drafting Paxton Lynch, you dont think this has his hands all over it after that Buffalo game? Oh, I completely agree that Bowles has his prints all over the Lee selection and, while Lee has flashed a lot of potential thus far, an undersized LB is not the best allocation of resources with a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: Here's one: Maccagnan has drafted precisely one (1) impact player in two years, handed out exorbitant contracts to guys who can't play, and seemingly has no awareness of what to do in situations like the one discussed here. What does he do well? We got no food. We got no money. OUR PETS' HEADS ARE FALLING OFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 50 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Well, at least you're defending your position well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Don't correct ME. Just nod and look at Miss Stein's rack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 23 hours ago, tkiss24 said: I completely agree with this article. Maccagnan deserves time but Bowles' coaching has been just dreadful Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Time my azz. He had zillions to work with and his drafts have been Idziotlike. He has made some decent moves but in Mac I do not trust. Just the fact that Geno Smith is on this roster reeks of ineptitude by him. The major issues with this team are numerous: secondary, QB, LB's. Mac spent and drafted very very unwisely in his 2 years. A shrimp LB, cmon man. Wasting another #1 on Big Cat. Yes he's very good but we had a surplus of DL with much greater needs. Terrible contracts to the vaunted Swiss cheese secondary. Wasting a #2 on Hack when it was clear his value had slipped big time. We are a mediocre football team. We were lucky to win 10 games last year. As it was 5 of those games could have easily gone the other way and the schedule was softer. If not for Fitz playing at the highest level of his career, we go 5-11 and pat Mac on the shoulder with 'no worries it's just your first year and we gave it the ole college try'. Well welcome to reality and the crummy moves made by this Starbucks coffee sipping GM who is over his head and will soon be drowning in coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 hours ago, j4jets said: How's the weather? And good post. I agree with pretty much everything you said there. I have the slightest of hopes that NFL looks at this rather non-mathematically at times, in which case McClendon for Snacks wouldn't be a wash. I say that because NFL has NEVER published the comp pick calculations. The theory, which you described, is about 99% correct. So there's a 1% chance we get a comp for Snacks. Point is it wouldn't matter. It's 3 UFAs out, 3 UFAs in, and we kept all 3 of them. That's that. It's never worked otherwise to my knowledge. It's true they haven't released the formula, but the part they really haven't released is the exact value placed, and probably because there's something of an arbitrary ("judgment call") nature to it: for example, seeing how the player performed after signing the new contract may bump up or down one whose contract value was borderline between two rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 3 hours ago, dbatesman said: Here's one: Maccagnan has drafted precisely one (1) impact player in two years, handed out exorbitant contracts to guys who can't play, and seemingly has no awareness of what to do in situations like the one discussed here. What does he do well? Best I've got is a couple of late round / UDFA WRs show some promise. Also our punter looks really good lol. And I agree on the total of 1 impact player so far but it was so obvious to draft him, and he looked so good so early, that it should have affected (lowered) what he was willing to accept for Mo. Mo's cap number dropped this year with the new contract, meaning it will necessarily balloon after this year. So we used the cheap year for what? To give it to Fitzpatrick and our overpriced secondary? I liked the Marshall pickup (I know you didn't and don't), but meanwhile I also classify that as an obvious move. This notion that he cold-called Chicago and sweet talked them into getting swindled is preposterous. They wanted him gone because they couldn't have him and Cutler together, and their best chance at replacing him with another stud WR in the draft was to get WR off our "huge need" list. They ended up with Kevin White, which was their goal all along (unless Cooper also fell as well). The best of the rest is Carpenter, who is better than advertised. But meanwhile Maccagnan's ruined the cheap contract he got with him by artificially keeping his cap # in the $2M range for the first two years, boosting the latter two by the same amount. Otherwise the FAs are Skrine, Gilchrist (who looked a good amount better last year, not unlike Fitz...hmmm), Revis, Cromartie, Harris. Ugh. Who else? I thought bringing in (or bringing back) a veteran RB with qualities of being an excellent receiver and blocker was a solid idea. But two of them? No. Sign one and draft another, and pocket the draft pick we wouldn't/shouldn't have forfeited. It's not just the players he brought in; it's the players he brought in with no regard to their FA status in a year when we'd have otherwise been due a few useful ones. The year before when we lost nobody? Yeah, have at it. Next year we have no LT unless we fork over huge money for Clady ($13M in salary alone next year or a new, long contract). We have no obvious RT starter unless we bring back Suckomini, and Winters is a FA as well. Since Clady is unlikely to return at $13M, we will have holes at LT, RG, RT and our C isn't exactly young & in his prime (not to mention he'l be a FA himself a year later). What a waste of a magnificent opportunity. Yay #learningonthejob. Assuming he's even learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Point is it wouldn't matter. It's 3 UFAs out, 3 UFAs in, and we kept all 3 of them. That's that. It's never worked otherwise to my knowledge. It's true they haven't released the formula, but the part they really haven't released is the exact value placed, and probably because there's something of an arbitrary ("judgment call") nature to it: for example, seeing how the player performed after signing the new contract may bump up or down one whose contract value was borderline between two rounds. Jason at OTC has been doing these calcs for a few years now. IIRC, Jason said that the NFL has generally given out 1 or 2 extra comp picks almost every year compared to what his calcs showed. I obviously didn't spend any time investigating that for 32 teams. I know its been correct with the Jets at least in the recent 6-7 years. That extra pick or two could be the "judgement call" of "well, this team netted out, but they lost several high profile players and picked up several backup $ players, so lets give them a 4th or 5th rounder". There's a reason why the formula hasn't been posted. Glass half full on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, j4jets said: Jason at OTC has been doing these calcs for a few years now. IIRC, Jason said that the NFL has generally given out 1 or 2 extra comp picks almost every year compared to what his calcs showed. I obviously didn't spend any time investigating that for 32 teams. I know its been correct with the Jets at least in the recent 6-7 years. That extra pick or two could be the "judgement call" of "well, this team netted out, but they lost several high profile players and picked up several backup $ players, so lets give them a 4th or 5th rounder". There's a reason why the formula hasn't been posted. Glass half full on this one. Know what? It doesn't matter. He should know that if he does get a pick out of charity from the league, that it's nothing more than blind, stupid luck. On paper we are not entitled to a single compensatory draft pic. He ought to know that, instead of stockpiling UFAs on 2-3 year contracts in a year he lost some high priced ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: Here's one: Maccagnan has drafted precisely one (1) impact player in two years, handed out exorbitant contracts to guys who can't play, and seemingly has no awareness of what to do in situations like the one discussed here. What does he do well? So guys like Rob Nincovich were factors right away were they? James Harrison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: So guys like Rob Nincovich were factors right away were they? James Harrison? Relevance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Know what? It doesn't matter. He should know that if he does get a pick out of charity from the league, that it's nothing more than blind, stupid luck. On paper we are not entitled to a single compensatory draft pic. He ought to know that, instead of stockpiling UFAs on 2-3 year contracts in a year he lost some high priced ones. The game isn't played on paper. I don't know why the NFL doesn't do what MLB does. Comp picks should only be taken away if a FA loss is equitable. Steve McClendon is not equitable to Snacks Harrison. I read the open letter and I have a bone with it concerning 6 picks a draft. That's a fairly solid total since you are given 7 to start with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: Relevance? Instant gratification. People want picks to be pro bowlers out of the gate. I eve look at James Farrior for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: The game isn't played on paper. I don't know why the NFL doesn't do what MLB does. Comp picks should only be taken away if a FA loss is equitable. Steve McClendon is not equitable to Snacks Harrison. I read the open letter and I have a bone with it concerning 6 picks a draft. That's a fairly solid total since you are given 7 to start with Irrelevant. The system is the system. Everybody knows it. He doesn't get to use the ignorance excuse. The open letter was stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Know what? It doesn't matter. He should know that if he does get a pick out of charity from the league, that it's nothing more than blind, stupid luck. On paper we are not entitled to a single compensatory draft pic. He ought to know that, instead of stockpiling UFAs on 2-3 year contracts in a year he lost some high priced ones. Oh I agree with you. I was pissed the moment he signed him. Atleast Izdik was better at that...he just didn't know what to do with the pick, which was a shame anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Instant gratification. People want picks to be pro bowlers out of the gate. I eve look at James Farrior for that. Ohhhhh. I didn't realize that's what we all want or expect. Tell me: what am I thinking now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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