SMC Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: If they fail, why not? You're basing that off of 1 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, SMC said: You're basing that off of 1 season. Well, HE isn't. A guy who has owned a team for more than a decade did. And it was TWO offseasons, which is when the GM does most of his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, gEYno said: @joewilly12 vs. @UnitedWhofans is exactly the Bum Fight Jet Nation needs right now. Cheers, guys. I refuse to fight with anyone here out of respect for others fighting is done in a ring or octagon or an alley...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, SMC said: You're basing that off of 1 season. Macc is in his 2nd season. He is so inept he cant even address a kick returner position and fans want a franchise QB from him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, phill1c said: Well, HE isn't. A guy who has owned a team for more than a decade did. And it was TWO offseasons, which is when the GM does most of his work. Did Macc deserve to be fired after last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Macc is in his 2nd season. He is so inept he cant even address a kick returner position and fans want a franchise QB from him... Yes, Macc is in his 2nd season, but as I asked above, should Macc have been fired after last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, SMC said: Yes, Macc is in his 2nd season, but as I asked above, should Macc have been fired after last season? Last season was a fluke football fans know the Jets had the easiest schedule in the NFL. This team has too many weak spots and lacks depth I'm not at all impressed by Macc or am I confident he can fix this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 24 minutes ago, SMC said: Getting rid of Idzik (which was warranted), may have set a bad precedent. Teams can't keep firing GMs every 2 years. Why not? You wanted Phil fired because he didn't multiple hall of gamers in return for Smith and Shumper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Last season was a fluke football fans know the Jets had the easiest schedule in the NFL. This team has too many weak spots and lacks depth I'm not at all impressed by Macc or am I confident he can fix this mess. Really? You actually think the GM Woody handpicks himself to replace Mac might be better? Talent wise the roster is not that bad the HC and QB are horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Really? You actually think the GM Woody handpicks himself to replace Mac might be better? Cant get any worse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Cant get any worse.. Yes it can Idzik, Tanny etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, SMC said: Did Macc deserve to be fired after last season? he won 10 games last season, so I would say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Yes it can Idzik, Tanny etc Was Tanny that bad? We made it to the AFC Championship game 2 years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Just now, phill1c said: he won 10 games last season, so I would say no. Let me repeat with the easiest schedule in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Let me repeat with the easiest schedule in the NFL. And with a rookie head coach. there! gotcha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Just now, phill1c said: And with a rookie head coach. there! gotcha!! You could have coached that team to 10 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: You could have coached that team to 10 wins. Really?! I don't think so. I'm thinking at least 11 wins because I would have benched Fitzloser somewhere and gone with...his backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19andOhWait Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Kellen Clemens, Erik Ainge, Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, Geno Smith, Tajh Boyd, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg f***ing brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 17 hours ago, C Mart said: So in other words like last year. So because Revis has checked out and Mo got a fat contract and got fat the whole team has quit? Tell Leo, Lee, WJohnson, Winters, QE, Marsh, Mauldin,Harris,Roberts,Powell, Carp, McClndn, Simon, etc..they have quit. When Revis and Mo appear to have quit and they are the team leaders that sets the tone for everyone else. The best thing the coach did was sit Mo for missing the meeting, but it might have been to little to late. the players should take the lead from the coach but a lot of times the way your best players play game in and game out should tell quite a bit about what the players perceive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 hour ago, 19andOhWait said: Kellen Clemens, Erik Ainge, Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, Geno Smith, Tajh Boyd, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg f***ing brutal I mean fans are pissed at this GM with this list? And I would take Petty off of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 5 hours ago, Gen X Jet said: I truly wish that were the case. I've wasted too many hours this fall watching gutless efforts and coaching. They've played like shlt but haven't quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 hour ago, rammagen said: When Revis and Mo appear to have quit and they are the team leaders that sets the tone for everyone else. The best thing the coach did was sit Mo for missing the meeting, but it might have been to little to late. the players should take the lead from the coach but a lot of times the way your best players play game in and game out should tell quite a bit about what the players perceive So why haven't the players I listed quit? Or are you saying they did quit until Mo was benched? If that's the case you are saying Harris, Carp, Winters, QE quit earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Was Tanny that bad? We made it to the AFC Championship game 2 years in a row. We mortgaged the future and lost. His release of Cotchery, signing of Holmes and Sanchez to crippling deals show he treated the team like a board game. we could have resigned Edwards and Cotch for less than a song. Sanchez was never the same when those two departed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 21 hours ago, David Harris said: It is sound logic, but there is no formula- all that matters is the end result. Whether or not 5-6 years from now Hack is still a QB1 for the jets. Start em, sit em, I don't care- Luck #1 overall, Dak in the 4th, Rodgers sitting 3 years, Stafford taking 6 years to develop....if you think a QB has any chance to be a 10 year starter, take any road, it's worth any price. imagine, really imagine, what it'd be like to have a ten year starter at QB. A solid centerpiece. It is the keystone, not finding that guy is why all our drafts are so bad, why we nitpick each and every guy to death- because all other positions don't matter as much when you have that guy elevating everybody else, making up for their mistakes. Take Brady and BB out of NE and that team is bad, no OL, no sig outside receivers, a D with almost no difference makers. if Hack could be that guy or anything close I don't care how long it takes. If we didn't draft him in the second, what are we going to take another CB? Is that going to change the tides of fortune for this franchise. Hackenberg alone has the power to do that. He may not, but that chance created by his pick is more valuable than any other 58th ranked prospect in a draft. Fine but how many developmental QBs can one franchise have? We had 4 QBs on this roster and it seems the coaching staff really only has confidence in Ftiz and Geno. Now is the time for a kid to play but it sounds like Bowles doesn't want to play Petty even though he's been here for almost 2 years. Are we going to go into next year w/ Petty as the #2 and Hack the #3 and bring in a veteran like Cutler/Romo? How awful would that be? Is Macc going to draft another developmental QB in this draft too so we can use 4 slots on QBs and have only 1 guy with any experience on the roster?? As far as I can see, Petty's time should be right now. If he can't show promise to be at least a #2 QB then the Jets probably have to cut him. We can't fill up 2 spots with developmental QBs who the CS has zero faith in. And the CS should have broken down Hack's mechanics THIS YEAR. What in the world were they waiting for?! There's no salary cap on spending on coaches. They should have had a QB guru working with him all year long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 9 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: I'm not sure what you mean by this. I doubt whomever it was you're referring to was being paid like Skrine is. Yes. I'm agreeing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 40 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Fine but how many developmental QBs can one franchise have? We had 4 QBs on this roster and it seems the coaching staff really only has confidence in Ftiz and Geno. Now is the time for a kid to play but it sounds like Bowles doesn't want to play Petty even though he's been here for almost 2 years. Are we going to go into next year w/ Petty as the #2 and Hack the #3 and bring in a veteran like Cutler/Romo? How awful would that be? Is Macc going to draft another developmental QB in this draft too so we can use 4 slots on QBs and have only 1 guy with any experience on the roster?? As far as I can see, Petty's time should be right now. If he can't show promise to be at least a #2 QB then the Jets probably have to cut him. We can't fill up 2 spots with developmental QBs who the CS has zero faith in. And the CS should have broken down Hack's mechanics THIS YEAR. What in the world were they waiting for?! There's no salary cap on spending on coaches. They should have had a QB guru working with him all year long. this is spot on. I too dont understand why Bowles has no one on his staff devoted to working on Hackenbergs mechanics all season long. WTF? For some reason they have to wait untill after the season? WTF_F_F?! Sounds like very poor management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 3 hours ago, C Mart said: So why haven't the players I listed quit? Or are you saying they did quit until Mo was benched? If that's the case you are saying Harris, Carp, Winters, QE quit earlier? I am saying this entire team has been a let down on the effort stand point including the players you listed because the effort has not been consistent, they have made bone headed plays-winters, older and can't play at the same level -harris, qb play has let QE down, and general poor line play has not helped carp take that step forward. the players you listed are not leaders yet or are older and have lost a step. You needed Mo and revis to step up and they have not. The players you listed are not impact players yet, or may never be more then decent starters. You needed your stars to show up and they have not. these players take the lead from the start on the team and the stars have not shown up. That is why i question the coach the players he needed to make sure to show up just have not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted December 3, 2016 Author Share Posted December 3, 2016 11 hours ago, Augustiniak said: the thing about hack that you can't say about most qbs coming out of college is that he successfully ran a true pro offense, as a freshman no less. No he didn't. He was promising for SMALL window of time in his freshman year. Then he sucked. Then he sucked some more. Now he's gone and the Nitany Lions are in the big 10 championship. SPLASH some cold water on your faces. He's ALWAYS been bad. He's not a pro QB... No ones ever been as sloppy as Hack with Accuracy and Decision making, and become a legit starter. It's over, and it should have never started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Petty's time should be right now. If he can't show promise to be at least a #2 QB then the Jets probably have to cut him. We can't fill up 2 spots with developmental QBs who the CS has zero faith in.Agree, except I think we definitely have to cut him if he hasn't proven ro them that he can at least be a backup. And if that's the case, pissed poor judgement on them- they should have tried to get him on the PS, risk was apparently not all that great.And the CS should have broken down Hack's mechanics THIS YEAR. What in the world were they waiting for?! There's no salary cap on spending on coaches. They should have had a QB guru working with him all year long. 1000% agree. He should have been Tom House's roommate every chance possible from the day he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 On 12/1/2016 at 5:16 PM, Jet Nut said: Do you ever get tired of saying the same shlt over and over again? Does the truth hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 14 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Does the truth hurt? That you sound like a broken record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 22 hours ago, southparkcpa said: We mortgaged the future and lost. His release of Cotchery, signing of Holmes and Sanchez to crippling deals show he treated the team like a board game. we could have resigned Edwards and Cotch for less than a song. Sanchez was never the same when those two departed. Ummm Great Post... Why is this even debated anymore? When you are replacing performing WRs like Edwards with folks out of prison and Chaz et company you shouldn't have a job as a GM anymore!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 I think one of the dirty little secrets of Woody is the way he looks like the coaching/staff budget. I think he tries to limit it as much as he can. He looks for first time coaches and appears to limit who they can hire as assistants. If the Jets expect to be better next year, they need a developmental QB coach and a better DC to work with Bowles. Bowles and Kacy Rodgers was not getting it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 1 hour ago, varjet said: I think one of the dirty little secrets of Woody is the way he looks like the coaching/staff budget. I think he tries to limit it as much as he can. He looks for first time coaches and appears to limit who they can hire as assistants. If the Jets expect to be better next year, they need a developmental QB coach and a better DC to work with Bowles. Bowles and Kacy Rodgers was not getting it done. I think its more because he can maintain a bit of control over the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 I think its more because he can maintain a bit of control over the coach. Abso-*******-lutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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