DMan77 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 As a Jets fan I am obviously dying for a great QB to come along and play for the Jets. We've waited for so long to have a stud, all-pro, MVP QB. And I think when we look back at the last couple decades and realize that we haven't had one, we bow our heads and sigh because we know that's the reason we've been regulated to the bottom of the barrel for most of the last 30 years. But sometimes I think about other teams who did manage to find their stud QB, but did not have the success that's supposed to bring. I think about just how hard it is to find a great QB, and how low the chances are... Would it be worse to be those teams? Would it be worse to have hit that QB lottery, but not collected? Would I be happier as a Dolphins fan knowing that I had my all-time great QB, and had some good seasons with some fun wins and exciting Sundays, but didn't win it all? Or I think about San Diego (LA, I guess) who had Dan Fouts and now Rivers (he's at least very good) and still haven't gotten to the promised land. Or maybe even the Bengals who had Ken Anderson, Carson Palmer and now Andy Dalton, but still can't quite put it together... Sometimes that helps me feel better about not having found that QB of our own yet.. Unlike other teams that have gotten their guy but let the opportunity fade, the Jets are still in a place in theory where they can get their guy one of these years and make a move. And maybe when we look back we'll realize that these last 15 or 20 years would have been the toughest to make a run, even with a top QB. Maybe the timing will work out. . The top QBs of the last 15 years will be either gone or in their twilight soon and it'll be time for a new group. Had the Jets had a stud QB these last 10 years they would have been going up against Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Brees... QBs who have broken and set all time records at a crazy pace... So maybe, just maybe, as bad as things have been for the Jets, the timing will work out. They will find a new QB as part of this next era, and we'll be thankful to have that guy now, and not in the middle of other teams hall of fame QB careers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Our timing is actually perfect. Any year that franchise QBs are in the draft we either over achieve and pick too late or win a few meaningless games at the end of the year and our out of range, In years where we suck and pick top 10 like this year there are no franchise QBs. Expect and overachieving 8-8 record next year for the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Help me Obi Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 50 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Our timing is actually perfect. Any year that franchise QBs are in the draft we either over achieve and pick too late or win a few meaningless games at the end of the year and our out of range, In years where we suck and pick top 10 like this year there are no franchise QBs. Expect and overachieving 8-8 record next year for the Jets. Then why don't they trade up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 58 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Our timing is actually perfect. Any year that franchise QBs are in the draft we either over achieve and pick too late or win a few meaningless games at the end of the year and our out of range, In years where we suck and pick top 10 like this year there are no franchise QBs. Expect and overachieving 8-8 record next year for the Jets. Agreed. In addition there are usually quarterback needy teams ahead of us, so it makes trading up difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, TJ said: Agreed. In addition there are usually quarterback needy teams ahead of us, so it makes trading up difficult. Would you try the Ricky Williams move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Our timing is actually perfect. Any year that franchise QBs are in the draft we either over achieve and pick too late or win a few meaningless games at the end of the year and our out of range, In years where we suck and pick top 10 like this year there are no franchise QBs. Expect and overachieving 8-8 record next year for the Jets. even so, if they truly wanted a paticular qb in the draft or free agency or on another team all they got to do is make the trade or pay the cash, etc. imo there are only 5 or so qb's who aren't going to be moved no matter what. so bring on an 8-8 season. heck bring on a 9-7 season. if they do that and show some real improvement over the clusterf**k that was last season then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Then why don't they trade up? They tried last year and failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: They tried last year and failed. That's why I wondered the Ricky Williams route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I see you are a optimist -most Jet fans are not given the team performance over 50 years. We have to keep trying to find the QB to succeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, faba said: I see you are a optimist -most Jet fans are not given the team performance over 50 years. We have to keep trying to find the QB to succeed What happened in the past 50 years has no impact on today. Each NFL season is for the most part an independent unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: What happened in the past 50 years has no impact on today. Each NFL season is for the most part an independent unit That isn't true. This isn't a random coin flip. What happened 50 years ago might not matter. But what happened 16 years ago does matter. 16 years of ownership for Woody. 16 years of his leadership. The results haven't been great. He still owns the team so the past does have an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 You could say we have had 16 years of bad timing or 50 years -no one reason we have not found a established QB to rely upon multiple reasons for it- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Maxman said: That isn't true. This isn't a random coin flip. What happened 50 years ago might not matter. But what happened 16 years ago does matter. 16 years of ownership for Woody. 16 years of his leadership. The results haven't been great. He still owns the team so the past does have an impact. IN terms of on the field and drafting? I don't really think it does. Unless Woody is a meddler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 namath made a deal with the devil, as long as he is alive we get fitztragic and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Ya I mean, it's not really about trying to figure out why... There are lots of factors. There are also statistics and odds involved too. Anyway I realize this isn't a popular viewpoint when the team is this bad. But it helps me a little too think that when the time comes and the stars align just right, the Jets might find themselves in a better position than they might have in the last decade or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 46 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Then why don't they trade up? They say every year 'We inquired about it but the price was too high, they wanted our 2nd rounder!!!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, Beerfish said: They say every year 'We inquired about it but the price was too high, they wanted our 2nd rounder!!!' Again, the Ricky Williams maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 15 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Unless Woody is a meddler What no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Again, the Ricky Williams maneuver. There is a huge difference in price moving from middle round to top and lower than that. Our front office has not had the will to do so and it's a big risk anyway (See RGIII) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I didn't read the Finnegan's Wake-style opus in the OP, but I have every confidence the Jets will overpay for either Romo or Cutler and we'll be doomed regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Agree it is more then just the QB Falcons have a franchise QB as do the Panthers, Chargers, Colts and Lions and none of those guys have a ring, two came close but some did not even make the playoffs Arguably the Bengals, Fins Titans and Bucs are in the same boat - Raiders and Eagles might get a bye but QB is almost always the ticket to the dance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: They say every year 'We inquired about it but the price was too high, they wanted our 2nd rounder!!!' I would trade Lee and Hack for Wentz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: What no C'est impossible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Then why don't they trade up? Because Macc is an ineffectual negotiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Because Macc is an ineffectual negotiator. Surly possible... Or also just inexperienced right? That's always a danger with new GMs... Lets see what happens this year with his moves and contracts and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Then why don't they trade up? Wonder why the FO hasn't thought of that? Teams with no QB, and the first pick in the draft, are always willing to trade a franchise QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The amount of success the Jets have had in the past 20 years with absolute trash at QB is actually quite remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jack Straw said: The amount of success the Jets have had in the past 20 years with absolute trash at QB is actually quite remarkable. Ya and I guess that's part of what I was eluding too... I don't feel like the Jets have "had their chance" and maybe that ends up working out... If the Jets had their stud QB in the last 10 years, would he have been playing second or third of tenth fiddle to the top tier QBS we all know? The ones who have been setting records, making clear hall of fame cases, etc... Maybe we're just on the cusp of a new era and now will actually be the best time in the last 20ish years to find that QB. Sure if we found one 10 years ago that would have been great and we would all be happy to be competitive... But maybe finding one now, as a new time begins in football, will actually work out even better for us... That's what I'm going to chose to run with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Jets had opportunities to pick : Peyton Manning Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Dax Prescott Russell Wilson Derek Carr Teddy Bridgewater and so many others who have come and gone . When you have no QB, and one who has played well and showed well when it counts is available, you take the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 11 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: IN terms of on the field and drafting? I don't really think it does. Unless Woody is a meddler The record is what the record is. Doesn't matter what we think. Because the record stands for itself. Woody has Bowles and Macc reporting right to him. I don't care if people call it meddling or not. But if they have to run decisions by Woody, and Woody has limited football knowledge (which he does), that isn't a winning formula. And once again, the record proves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 If getting a Franchise QB was simple everyone would have one and getting one wouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Some teams seem to luck into one and some seem to just be picking high at the right time. You can't control that, what you can control is doing your homework on what is available in the draft, engineering the pick to get the guy you are interested in, then giving that guy the full support and coaching he needs to become what will hopefully be your franchise QB. And when you look at the history of the 'winning' franchises,(and I"m just cherry picking a few below) it's not like they have had a huge swag of franchise QBs themselves over the years who have delivered the SB Ring : Dallas - Staubach , Aikman Pittsburgh - Bradshaw, Roethlisberger NE - Brady San Fran - Montana, Young Denver - Elway, Manning (parachuted in via free agency) Green Bay - Starr, Farve, Rodgers Raiders - Plunkett, Stabler Most have just 2 Superbowl winning QB's, Green Bay have 3 as do Washington (but none 25 years) . We at the Jets have 1. Basically my point being, it can feel like every other team just continues to turn out Superbowl winning franchise QB after franchise QB, and it's just not the case. Yep sure, we need to find another one, but just trying to illustrate that even the very best of franchises can go decades between one QB and another. Where we have fallen down compared to the above teams is win or lose, in the last 40 years since Namath left we should have produced at least one QB that got us to a SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 8 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Because Macc is an ineffectual negotiator. Because all you have to do is decide to trade up and it just happens or if a team wants to rape you in a trade you should just bend over. You whined that he overpaid for a OL and surely wouldn't if he gave in and traded away too much move up. Also, two drafts, one where he tried to move up sure proves the guy is ineffectual in making trades. I mean it was there for the taking, what's the matter with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Because all you have to do is decide to trade up and it just happens or if a team wants to rape you in a trade you should just bend over. You whined that he overpaid for a OL and surely wouldn't if he gave in and traded away too much move up. Also, two drafts, one where he tried to move up sure proves the guy is ineffectual in making trades. I mean it was there for the taking, what's the matter with him! 1. Using the "r" word in the first paragraph pretty much confirms everything I've ever thought of you. How despicable and cowardly. There are better ways to describe what you're trying to accomplish but you take low hanging fruit. How about you grow up? 2. Negotiations are more than just trades. But I'm so appalled by your post that I'm not going to waste anymore time on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 20 hours ago, DMan77 said: Sometimes that helps me feel better about not having found that QB of our own yet.. Unlike other teams that have gotten their guy but let the opportunity fade, the Jets are still in a place in theory where they can get their guy one of these years and make a move. Sorry but I don't understand the bold which I think this is the heart of your post. Now...the Jets have been in place in theory occasionally and infrequently in the past. That is true. However, it has never lasted long and it certainly isn't true at the moment. It's not like we are there except we have to wait for our turn at a QB. Geesh. Can you say....magical thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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