jetgreen13 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: issues in the past, yes. But not today. was done correctly. what do you believe bowles does well as a HC?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, jetgreen13 said: what do you believe bowles does well as a HC?? Wins and competes with suspect talent, especially at the QB position. Last season was rough but it was nearly impossible to win with the injuries and horrible QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: Wins and competes with suspect talent, especially at the QB position. Last season was rough but it was nearly impossible to win with the injuries and horrible QB play. so he wins & competes with suspect talent.. except for all of last season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, jetgreen13 said: so he wins & competes with suspect talent.. except for all of last season.. what are your expectations? for me Bowles and the staff have done a very good job working with what they have, including last season. without going in depth just my opinion. when the season is over, I believe the possible replacements will be much much worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 55 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Oh yeah? Prove it. Who is the single greatest and best looking poster in the history of JN? Reminder: same person "A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Fantasy Island said: Gotta see what we got, put in Petty He's already starting next week. Bowles wants to try him at OLB. Feels we can generate more of a pass rush than when in his previous role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 minute ago, RESNewYork said: what are your expectations? for me Bowles and the staff have done a very good job working with what they have, including last season. without going in depth just my opinion. when the season is over, I believe the possible replacements will be much much worse last season his team quit on him well before mid season.. as far as not going "in depth??" good call..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Hm but what if Petty comes in and plays even worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 46 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: issues in the past, yes. But not today. was done correctly. So, you think using 2 timeouts, not half-way through the 3rd quarter, while down 2 scores, was "done correctly"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, jetgreen13 said: last season his team quit on him well before mid season.. as far as not going "in depth??" good call..... injuries and bad qb play derailed 2016. I don't think the team quit. When a team loses, the excuse is the team quit, coaches didn't make adjustments, etc. When they win you don't hear that. And if there were players that quit, then I assume they got rid of them because I don't see any quit on the 2017 team. I don't understand why fans feel some magic coach is going to come in and boom we're a SB team. Effort, not talent, is why the team is competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 47 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: What? Bottom line, if they spent the time out before the 2 minute warning, it would have been a mistake. Bottom line, if they hadn't wasted their first two timeouts, on back-to-back plays, than what you're arguing wouldn't even be an issue. Stop defending Bowles for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: So, you think using 2 timeouts, not half-way through the 3rd quarter, while down 2 scores, was "done correctly"? Ive said it 10 times yes it was a mistake, and made worse because it's a veteran QB. But it happens. It's not something that only happens to the Jets and it will happen with other NFL staffs in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: Bottom line, if they hadn't wasted their first two timeouts, on back-to-back plays, than what you're arguing wouldn't even be an issue. Stop defending Bowles for this. not defending. but it happens. let's forget everything else the coaching staff is doing well because they called two timeouts early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: what are your expectations? for me Bowles and the staff have done a very good job working with what they have, including last season. without going in depth just my opinion. when the season is over, I believe the possible replacements will be much much worse This line of thinking is why we are a perennial purgatory team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 minute ago, RESNewYork said: Ive said it 10 times yes it was a mistake, and made worse because it's a veteran QB. But it happens. It's not something that only happens to the Jets and it will happen with other NFL staffs in the future. Omg. And I've already said that this has been a systemic problem throughout Bowles entire career here. There should be no excuses for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: This line of thinking is why we are a perennial purgatory team. just my opinion. maybe you're right. let's blow it up after the season. we'll start over, everyone learns a new system, and we'll be more successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Spoot-Face said: Omg. And I've already said that this has been a systemic problem throughout Bowles entire career here. There should be no excuses for him. ok if we both agree thats true, then let's agree he's also done a lot of good things as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: just my opinion. maybe you're right. let's blow it up after the season. we'll start over, everyone learns a new system, and we'll be more successful Yeah, it's better to go six years with another Rex Ryan, because that turned out so well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 minute ago, RESNewYork said: ok if we both agree thats true, then let's agree he's also done a lot of good things as well Please give me a list of this plethora of good things that Bowles has done well, with actual examples, not just what you believe he's done well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Just now, Spoot-Face said: Yeah, it's better to go six years with another Rex Ryan, because that turned out so well for us. not sure what you want me to say. my opinion, he's the best guy moving forward for me. for you, it's someone else. not trying to change your mind, and im not going to change mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, RESNewYork said: not sure what you want me to say. my opinion, he's the best guy moving forward for me. for you, it's someone else. not trying to change your mind, and im not going to change mine Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It won't be until after the bye week if we struggle the next 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscott Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Dude went out of his way to lose this game today. We’re talented enough to stick around with good teams but since McCown is basically a zero sum/ player with no sense of winning we have to move on from him. What???Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Gentlemen. I have read through this whole thread and I gotta say simply this. Before this season McCown had what 2 wins in 3 years? So if he "gives us the best chance to win" what does that say about the state of the position on the NY Jets? McCown has been playing above his head in these 6 games. He looks incredibly bad when he plays poorly and a little better than average when he plays well. IMHO it falls on the coach. The play calling became conservative when playing with a lead. When you start conservative play on offense it takes the team out of its established rhythm. This has happened with other OC's on this staff so you can't really blame the current guy. Bowles is still making first or second year HC mistakes. His clock management skills have stayed the same or gotten worse. He has no idea of how to work the refs or show any kind of emotion at all on the field. He insists on playing a 3-4 defense when it clearly is not generating a pass rush and when he had "the best defensive line in the league" he still stayed with the 3-4. He consistently fails at making in game adjustments on defense and is either clueless or stubborn while sticking with the game plan. I know not a lot was expected from this team and they are what they are but they have shown growth. All except the HC. Changing the QB won't make a difference but changing the HC will. Just my opinion here guys agree or disagree it will not change my mind. Bowles is simply not the guy going forward. Hopefully the rest of these games this season will bring that too light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: While it's kind of comforting watching McCown throw to Jeremy Kerley and Matt Forte, we're now almost halfway through the 2017 season and it's time to stop jerking around, or is it? McCown is McCown is McCown, etc. So what excuse will Bowles and the Jets use to keep trotting him out there? Because, besides the fact that he exists, we have no evidence to support the notion of Bryce Petty being able to play football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Snell41 said: Petty won't start next week because he sucks. And so does Hack. I was on that hopeful train too, but they suck. We need to draft a QB next year, nothing McCown does hurts or helps that fact. The games we have won have been in spite of McCown, not because of him. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Howd Petty do in his last game action? I hate rhetorical statements with nothing behind them. "So and so sucks" is the most useless statement on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, gEYno said: Because, besides the fact that he exists, we have no evidence to support the notion of Bryce Petty being able to play football? Once again, how did he play in his last game action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I think the Jets need to see how the team reacts this week against Miami. I don't think right now would be a good time to make the switch for a lot of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornfed Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I think mccown is playing since....and this is very sad....he is way, way, better than petty or hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Once again, how did he play in his last game action? Not good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 The offense is doing as much as we can expect all things considered. As usual we are losing games due to the defense, bowles baby. The most unfathomable thing about this team right now is the amount that has been invested in the dline both money and draft capital and how utterly dead awful it is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Mike Maccagnan felt we needed a Safety We did need a safety. Imagine the success we would be having with Pryor and gilchrist this season.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 31 minutes ago, gEYno said: Not good? Umm he had a perfect QB rating. And looked completely confident in the offense. Petty won the competition but Bowles pre-decided the result anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Ummm because petty is garbage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The offense is doing as much as we can expect all things considered. As usual we are losing games due to the defense, bowles baby. The most unfathomable thing about this team right now is the amount that has been invested in the dline both money and draft capital and how utterly dead awful it is right now. I think the DL is a function of working together not individual talent. A "supergroup" at DL does not necessarily mean it will be effective. And part of any truly effective DL is the ability to get pressure. Unfortunately we have none of that on our DL. I truly believe we would not see a big dropoff in DL play with two mid-range JAGS like McClendon level replacing Williams and Mo, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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