T0mShane Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Stark said: but we know HB is a playmaker and has proven it in the league, we also know he did well in TB defense. Minkah has never played an NFL game, remember Dee Milliner? lol. I mean he was supposed to be good and well he sucked so yeah I would spend a little more on a 26 yr old that has shown he can play at a high level. A little more? You can get Minkah for for years for roughly the same money you’d be giving to Mathieu for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: A little more? You can get Minkah for for years for roughly the same money you’d be giving to Mathieu for one. 6th pick is going to get about 23 mil? for 4 years... so yeah its more than a little more, but do you want to take the chance on another Alabama DB flaming out, I feel like that is more of the Bama DB's trend in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Try this: See all these posts freaking out about what a great fit Mathieu would be here? Minkah is a bigger, more athletic Honey Badger who won’t cost you $11 mil per season. No he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stark said: 6th pick is going to get about 23 mil? for 4 years... so yeah its more than a little more, but do you want to take the chance on another Alabama DB flaming out, I feel like that is more of the Bama DB's trend in the league. I’m only advocating for Minkah because it’d be the most catastrophic pick, both practically and emotionally. I’m not saying I want the player on my squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: No he's not. Thank you, Joe. How was this morning’s sponge bath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I’m only advocating for Minkah because it’d be the most catastrophic pick, both practically and emotionally. I’m not saying I want the player on my squad. it's sad when there's a more catastrophic pick at #6 than a guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I’m only advocating for Minkah because it’d be the most catastrophic pick, both practically and emotionally. I’m not saying I want the player on my squad. Yeah i know you are just ruffling feathers.. no worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 46 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i'm not disagreeing with you. but based on what we know about him, if he's on the phone with indy's gm and the guy is telling mccags what the bills offer is, and if he'll up his offer, i just don't have faith that he's willing to part with the draft picks - especially, at that point, if it's for mayfield or allen, assuming darnold and rosen are gone. i could easily see him bailing, buffalo getting allen, and then mccagnan praying that elway doesn't take mayfield. or, maybe he can convince cleveland to go back 2 spots, take mayfield, but cleveland would have to assume that nobody is trading up for barkley with denver. If Buffalo trades up - Jets miss-out on one of the 4 - end of discussion. They simply can not allow that to happen. Mac knows his job is on the line if he doesn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, FidelioJet said: If Buffalo trades up - Jets miss-out on one of the 4 - end of discussion. They simply can not allow that to happen. Mac knows his job is on the line if he doesn't do it. anything is possible. the giants may choose not to trade with the jets. indy may want buffalo's 2 first round picks that the jets don't have. cleveland may want barkely at 4 and that's that. the jets are not in control here and that's their own fault. it could well come down to whether elway takes mayfield or not. imagine those 10 minutes on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: anything is possible. the giants may choose not to trade with the jets. indy may want buffalo's 2 first round picks that the jets don't have. cleveland may want barkely at 4 and that's that. the jets are not in control here and that's their own fault. it could well come down to whether elway takes mayfield or not. imagine those 10 minutes on draft day. His fault or not - he's out of a job. My guess - #6, both 2's and next years 1...that'll be about what it's going to take to go from 6 to 3. Good thing we got that 5th win. Colts still get Chubb is think scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: anything is possible. the giants may choose not to trade with the jets. indy may want buffalo's 2 first round picks that the jets don't have. cleveland may want barkely at 4 and that's that. the jets are not in control here and that's their own fault. it could well come down to whether elway takes mayfield or not. imagine those 10 minutes on draft day. If you want a guy, you make an offer that won't be turned down. May end up being a lot but if you firmly believe he's THE guy, why you gonna let a team behind you jump ahead? That's BS to me. If the 4 do go before we pick though, you kind of have to pick Allen. Who else you going with? 2nd round guy? Jackson will probably go to a team in the middle of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Thank you, Joe. How was this morning’s sponge bath? My shower was good how was your weekly douching in the river under the train bridge did the lemon scented hand wipes help curb your pungent odor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, BrickTamland said: What a puny offer. If we dont beat that... Correct, the Jets could match that and they still get Chubb. Get their cake and eat it too. #6, both two's and next year's 3...they get all of that plus their player. That's def. a better deal. I sign up for that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: If you want a guy, you make an offer that won't be turned down. May end up being a lot but if you firmly believe he's THE guy, why you gonna let a team behind you jump ahead? That's BS to me. If the 4 do go before we pick though, you kind of have to pick Allen. Who else you going with? 2nd round guy? Jackson will probably go to a team in the middle of the draft. i don't think this is mccagnan, that's why we don't have wentz. i think the draft pivots at 2. i think a qb is going there, but will it be the giants or buffalo, and will it be rosen or allen? truth, if rosen makes it to 3, i can see mccagnan being more aggressive than if it's mayfield vs. allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: If you want a guy, you make an offer that won't be turned down. May end up being a lot but if you firmly believe he's THE guy, why you gonna let a team behind you jump ahead? That's BS to me. If the 4 do go before we pick though, you kind of have to pick Allen. Who else you going with? 2nd round guy? Jackson will probably go to a team in the middle of the draft. The Jets are in the drivers seat here - these reporters aren't really thinking it through - both of the Jets' 2's are higher than the Bill's and they're only moving down 3 spots - they'll lose out on Barkley but get the next best player they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i don't think this is mccagnan, that's why we don't have wentz. i think the draft pivots at 2. i think a qb is going there, but will it be the giants or buffalo, and will it be rosen or allen? truth, if rosen makes it to 3, i can see mccagnan being more aggressive than if it's mayfield vs. allen. Giants are taking a QB. I have no problem if Buffalo moves to 2 - that means the Giants are out of the QB race and the competition to trade up becomes MUCH less...Jets could get away much cheaper moving to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Buff has to include next years one to make a move.. they might do it, they did it for Sammy Watkins already.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, FidelioJet said: Giants are taking a QB. if darnold/rosen go 1/2, then the bills may well be very aggressive in trading with indy. i'll assume allen is the target. so then the jets would have to convince the browns that they'd still get barkley at 6, or else cleveland takes barkley and the broncos have a layup to mayfield if they want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: if darnold/rosen go 1/2, then the bills may well be very aggressive in trading with indy. i'll assume allen is the target. so then the jets would have to convince the browns that they'd still get barkley at 6, or else cleveland takes barkley and the broncos have a layup to mayfield if they want it. Yes....which is why the Jets can not let the Bill beat them out for the 3rd pick. It's just not acceptable - at all. More than welcome to trade for the 2nd though. - Let's hope the Giants trade out with the Bills..better for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i don't think this is mccagnan, that's why we don't have wentz. i think the draft pivots at 2. i think a qb is going there, but will it be the giants or buffalo, and will it be rosen or allen? truth, if rosen makes it to 3, i can see mccagnan being more aggressive than if it's mayfield vs. allen. WELP. We're taking Lamar Jackson at 6 then. If it goes Browns - Darnold Giants - Rosen Colts - trade to Bills - Allen Browns - Chubb/Barkley Broncos - Mayfield Jets - JACKSONNNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, FidelioJet said: Yes....which is why the Jets can not let the Bill beat them out for the 3rd pick. It's just not acceptable - at all. More than welcome to trade for the 2nd though. - Let's hope the Giants trade out with the Bills..better for us. i agree that the giants may trade out with buffalo. that's why i think the giants control the draft. rb/qb/trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, MDL_JET said: WELP. We're taking Lamar Jackson at 6 then. If it goes Browns - Darnold Giants - Rosen Colts - trade to Bills - Allen Browns - Chubb/Barkley Broncos - Mayfield Jets - JACKSONNNN at that point it may make the most sense ironically for him to explore trade down scenarios. he'd get tarred and feathered if he took jackson at 6. he may as well trade back and get more picks, someone would trade up for chubb or barkley at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MDL_JET said: WELP. We're taking Lamar Jackson at 6 then. If it goes Browns - Darnold Giants - Rosen Colts - trade to Bills - Allen Browns - Chubb/Barkley Broncos - Mayfield Jets - JACKSONNNN No. In this scenario, The jets take Barkley or Chubb (whichever is there) and then use one of the 2's plus a 3 to move up for Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: at that point it may make the most sense ironically for him to explore trade down scenarios. he'd get tarred and feathered if he took jackson at 6. he may as well trade back and get more picks, someone would trade up for chubb or barkley at that point. And do what at QB? That's why Mac can't fuk around sitting at 6. He NEEDS a QB. Can't walk away day 1 of the draft without a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Dcat said: No. In this scenario, The jets take Barkley or Chubb (whichever is there) and then use one of the 2's plus a 3 to move up for Jackson. Move up to where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: at that point it may make the most sense ironically for him to explore trade down scenarios. he'd get tarred and feathered if he took jackson at 6. he may as well trade back and get more picks, someone would trade up for chubb or barkley at that point. or the jets take Barkley or Chubb (whichever is there) at #6 and then use one of the 2's plus a 3 to move up for Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, MDL_JET said: And do what at QB? That's why Mac can't fuk around sitting at 6. He NEEDS a QB. Can't walk away day 1 of the draft without a QB. do what? do the same thing he's done for 4 years - wimp out. take a qb in the 2nd round. try to sell the fanbase it's all ok. get fired. it is a possibility. teams need qbs besides the jets, we do not have an aggressive gm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 51 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Try this: See all these posts freaking out about what a great fit Mathieu would be here? Minkah is a bigger, more athletic Honey Badger who won’t cost you $11 mil per season. It will cost approx. 1 HC and GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MDL_JET said: And do what at QB? That's why Mac can't fuk around sitting at 6. He NEEDS a QB. Can't walk away day 1 of the draft without a QB. Yep and it's got to be one of the big 4 qbs. Has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: do what? do the same thing he's done for 4 years - wimp out. take a qb in the 2nd round. try to sell the fanbase it's all ok. get fired. it is a possibility. teams need qbs besides the jets, we do not have an aggressive gm. Then he's a f'n moron. lol. It's go get a QB or be fired. It's quite simple. But guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Dcat said: or the jets take Barkley or Chubb (whichever is there) at #6 and then use one of the 2's plus a 3 to move up for Jackson. i still don't know what that does. what is jackson? what kind of offense does he run? you may need to trade into the mid first round to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, peebag said: It will cost approx. 1 HC and GM. fortunately we happen to have one of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, MDL_JET said: Move up to where? to where they can get Jackson. Jackson + barkley or Chubb would be the only somewhat acceptable scenario if we miss out on the top 4 QB prospects. Or thak Chubb/Barkley at 6 and then use a 2 on Laulletta or White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, MDL_JET said: Then he's a f'n moron. lol. It's go get a QB or be fired. It's quite simple. But guess we'll see. i acknowledge the possibility that mccagnan gets shut out of the qb derby b/c he's too cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Augustiniak said: i acknowledge the possibility that mccagnan gets shut out of the qb derby b/c he's too cheap. I don't buy it. I think Mac knows his job is on the line - I really don't think he loses out on one of the 4. Honestly, if he doesn't come away with one of those 4 I'm not even sure he gets through the season - in fact I doubt he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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