Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 In what round would you draft this QB prospect? Would you draft him at all ? : 6' 2" 201 lbs. Career stats 3 yrs. : Att. Comp. % comp. Yds. TD INT. Rush Att. Yds. Yds. per attempt 374 204 54.3 2713 25 19 190 655 3.45 What say you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It was a different time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I think those stats belong to Brett Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Somebody who had those stats in 2015-17 NCAA football? Clearly wouldn't be a draftable prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I need more information like: What was the average completion percentage for QBs when this player was an option? What about the average size and weight? What system did he play in? How does that system project at the next level? Is this a silly rhetorical question that uses basic and non-distinguishing stats in order to prop up a guy that misses the mark on every metric to properly evaluate a Qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: It was a different time. Shhhhhhhhhh my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: In what round would you draft this QB prospect? Would you draft him at all ? : 6' 2" 201 lbs. Career stats 3 yrs. : Att. Comp. % comp. Yds. TD INT. Rush Att. Yds. Yds. per attempt 374 204 54.3 2713 25 19 190 655 3.45 What say you ? Completely undraftable, since everything you need to know is in those numbers. Obviously, you're referencing a past prospect who did well. But you need to know context: how does that compare to a good NFL starter at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said: I think those stats belong to Brett Favre. That would be incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Doggin94it said: Words Dude. That Signature.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Thai Jet said: That would be incorrect Pretty sure it’s Montana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Warfish said: Dude. That Signature.... Yeah, just noticed and corrected it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Pretty sure it’s Montana. I'm pretty sure it's not. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Thai Jet said: I'm pretty sure it's not. lol Such intrigue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Such intrigue Exactly....kills some pre draft time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baamf Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Namath, different era... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, baamf said: Namath, different era... EXCELLENT !! Yeah you look at that completion % and say what the hell? Even the yardage isn't that great for 3 years. Of courese Joe Willie had a National Championship in there. Craig Morton went 1st round also in the draft. His comp. % was 55.4 with 39 TD's and 31 picks. Morton went #5 in the 1st round while Namath went #12. They were the only 2 QB's taken in the 1st round. None were taken in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Namath had 24TDs and 20INTs, though. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/joe-namath-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkett2112 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I really hope you aren't throwing these stats out there to argue Josh Allen's numbers aren't important. It was basically a different sport then. Namath finished his career with 50% completion rate 170tds vs. 220 ints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 What a dumb ******* thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 If it’s this year I would draft him at Arlington Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Thai Jet said: EXCELLENT !! Yeah you look at that completion % and say what the hell? Even the yardage isn't that great for 3 years. Of courese Joe Willie had a National Championship in there. Craig Morton went 1st round also in the draft. His comp. % was 55.4 with 39 TD's and 31 picks. Morton went #5 in the 1st round while Namath went #12. They were the only 2 QB's taken in the 1st round. None were taken in the 2nd round. Completely different era, to the point that it's crazy to think about how much the game has changed. I mean, Unitas was the best QB in the league at the time, at 6'1 196. 54.3% completions would've been 5th in the NFL in 1964. Charley Johnson led the league with a massive 217/ypg, and was one of only 3QBs to average more than 200 yards per game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: In what round would you draft this QB prospect? Would you draft him at all ? : 6' 2" 201 lbs. Career stats 3 yrs. : Att. Comp. % comp. Yds. TD INT. Rush Att. Yds. Yds. per attempt 374 204 54.3 2713 25 19 190 655 3.45 What say you ? Is this QB in this year's draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Doggin94it said: Completely different era, to the point that it's crazy to think about how much the game has changed. I mean, Unitas was the best QB in the league at the time, at 6'1 196. 54.3% completions would've been 5th in the NFL in 1964. Charley Johnson led the league with a massive 217/ypg, and was one of only 3QBs to average more than 200 yards per game It IS crazy. You know with the D's not as complex as they are now you'd think the comp. % back then would be better than now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Is this QB in this year's draft? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: What a dumb ******* thread. Yet you took the time to post in it . Hmmmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: In what round would you draft this QB prospect? Would you draft him at all ? : 6' 2" 201 lbs. Career stats 3 yrs. : Att. Comp. % comp. Yds. TD INT. Rush Att. Yds. Yds. per attempt 374 204 54.3 2713 25 19 190 655 3.45 What say you ? Wait, 374 attempts total over three years? Darnold Mayfield and Rosen were each over 400 for 2017 alone. Tells me that this guy played way before the 'pace and space' era of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: Yet you took the time to post in it . Hmmmmm? I’m a dumb person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, burkett2112 said: I really hope you aren't throwing these stats out there to argue Josh Allen's numbers aren't important. It was basically a different sport then. Namath finished his career with 50% completion rate 170tds vs. 220 ints Nope, just found it interesting that so many QB's back then were barely above 50% . I mentioned it earlier but I would have thought the % would be HIGHER since the defenses are so much more sophisticated and complex now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: I’m a dumb person No argument here. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkett2112 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: Nope, just found it interesting that so many QB's back then were barely above 50% . I mentioned it earlier but I would have thought the % would be HIGHER since the defenses are so much more sophisticated and complex now. Right, but you aren't factoring in other things. 1. The defensive rules now are extremely in favor of a passing offense. Jack Tatum was clotheslining guys and damn near killing them in the 70s. Things you could do in the 60s you can't do now. Grab a receivers jersey. Touch them when they're more than 5 yards down the field. Hit them before they've had a chance to ready themselves. Launch your body at a receiver in order to dislodge the ball. Lead with your helmet. Pretty much any level of violent hit whatsoever. 2. The offensive schemes were also far less complex. My father coached high school in the 70s 80s. If they threw the ball more than 2 or 3 times in a game it was a bad sign. And he held a state record for most consecutive wins. Now that's an extreme example, but these kids didn't come into school as polished passers back then, and most of them didn't leave polished passers. Hell, Nebraska was winning national titles through the late 90s running the power option. 3. Even at the NFL level, because of the commitment to the running game, you were passing in more low percentage situations. A lot of times it was when you were in third and long. They also didn't run all these sprint screens and quick swing passes which inflate percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It IS crazy. You know with the D's not as complex as they are now you'd think the comp. % back then would be better than now.You must be pretty young?When Namath played , DBs could actually ‘play’ football without being flagged for just looking at a WR cross-ways. Completion percentages were less because WRs could basically get mugged without a flag. QBs stood in the pocket waiting for a receiver to get open and often got the sh*t kicked out of them with no flags either. Different game, had little to do with complexity and more to do with the rules IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Doggin94it said: Yeah, just noticed and corrected it Not fast enough. 20 wind sprints, and don't let me see you half'assin it kiddo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, dbatesman said: What a dumb ******* thread. Show me the smart ones.☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Dave BeBuscherre was a 6’4, 210 lb power forward who smoked two packs a day and he’s one of the top 50 players in NBA history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Dave BeBuscherre was a 6’4, 210 lb power forward who smoked two packs a day and he’s one of the top 50 players in NBA history. It's like how that old, classic poem goes: Your pops caught you smokin' and he said no way That hypocrite smokes two packs a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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