Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Apache 51 said: Plus a corner is basically a receiver that can't catch....what's Adams then? A ball hawking safety who can’t get picks? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Adams has played deep safety, box safety, rush line backer, slot corner and outside corner for the Jets he’s an elite athlete and defender 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 "I've coached better #5 last resort cornerbacks than you!!!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: This isn’t a Jamal joke, but they really should try him at corner, if only to maximize his effectiveness as well as to get the best 11 guys on the field. It’s likely that whoever the CB2 is is going to get torched anyway, so if Jamal can be even decent in coverage, it’d be a win-win. Thanks to our well respected DC, your hidden love and respect for Jamal has been exposed. Now you can post a pic of that anatomically correct Jamal Adams love doll thats been hidden away for so long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 God no. Maye is better in coverage than Adams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, TNJet said: God no. Maye is better in coverage than Adams. For the 2 seconds he’s healthy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Larz said: Adams has played deep safety, box safety, rush line backer, slot corner and outside corner for the Jets he’s an elite athlete and defender He’s not. Adams doesn’t have elite speed and is prone to getting caught into double fakes Mac really left us with a sh-t sandwich on defense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, genot said: Thanks to our well respected DC, your hidden love and respect for Jamal has been exposed. Now you can post a pic of that anatomically correct Jamal Adams love doll thats been hidden away for so long 1. It’s a Natalie Portman doll 2. Jamal Adams sucks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: 1. It’s a Natalie Portman doll 2. Jamal Adams sucks Thank you Tom. Im flattered. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 He will never get INT's at CB. Oh wait he never gets them at safety either. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 22 hours ago, TNJet said: God no. Maye is better in coverage than Adams. health insurance coverage? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 8/14/2019 at 10:50 AM, TeddEY said: Great athlete? Not so sure. But, at the very least, he's got the arm length to give you fan boi's the reach-around. I'm not sure how someone could have decent/good 20 yard shuttle, 3-cone drill and 40 times while bombing the 60 yard shuttle and Vertical jump so badly. Seems somewhat anomalous, no? He's in the 73rd percentile for the 20 yard shuttle, 61st percentile on 3-cone....yet the 8th in the Vertical jump and 14th in the 60 yard shuttle? Something doesn't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, jetstream23 said: I'm not sure how someone could have decent/good 20 yard shuttle, 3-cone drill and 40 times while bombing the 60 yard shuttle and Vertical jump so badly. Seems somewhat anomalous, no? He's in the 73rd percentile for the 20 yard shuttle, 61st percentile on 3-cone....yet the 8th in the Vertical jump and 14th in the 60 yard shuttle? Something doesn't add up. Shhhhhh. Don't tell the metric huggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 hours ago, jetstream23 said: I'm not sure how someone could have decent/good 20 yard shuttle, 3-cone drill and 40 times while bombing the 60 yard shuttle and Vertical jump so badly. Seems somewhat anomalous, no? He's in the 73rd percentile for the 20 yard shuttle, 61st percentile on 3-cone....yet the 8th in the Vertical jump and 14th in the 60 yard shuttle? Something doesn't add up. First off, the numbers you're calling good aren't actually all that good. They're still well within an SD of the mean. Also, bombing probably isn't the right way to think about this. They aren't scores. They're percentile ranks. Jamal may have jumped only one inch less than most safeties, but that could have been enough to put him in the 8th percentile. As for vertical jump, considering it's different than running, perhaps, and I know this might be crazy, but, perhaps, Jamal Adams does not jump very high. As for the 60-yard shuttle. I couldn't say with confidence, but I'd imagine the difference between the 20-yard shuttle and the 60-yard shuttle is that perhaps he's got a decent 1st step, but over time, isn't all that fast. Which, is sort of evidenced by his 40-time. Honestly, I wish I could compare his numbers to LBs, because, that's kind of what he actually is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, TeddEY said: First off, the numbers you're calling good aren't actually all that good. They're still well within an SD of the mean. Also, bombing probably isn't the right way to think about this. They aren't scores. They're percentile ranks. Jamal may have jumped only one inch less than most safeties, but that could have been enough to put him in the 8th percentile. As for vertical jump, considering it's different than running, perhaps, and I know this might be crazy, but, perhaps, Jamal Adams does not jump very high. As for the 60-yard shuttle. I couldn't say with confidence, but I'd imagine the difference between the 20-yard shuttle and the 60-yard shuttle is that perhaps he's got a decent 1st step, but over time, isn't all that fast. Which, is sort of evidenced by his 40-time. Honestly, I wish I could compare his numbers to LBs, because, that's kind of what he actually is. Honest question, do they have any measurement for reaction time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Honest question, do they have any measurement for reaction time? Call me when theirs a combine event for Leadership 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Call me when theirs a combine event for Leadership That is an entirely different thing, and you know it. I am not a huge fan of looking at number and making pronouncements on players in any sport. It is a lazy and superficial way of talent evaluation. I am curious of how Adams numbers would have compared with Kam Chancellor, whom I also recall not having eye-popping measurables, but showed that he could have a very productive career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: That is an entirely different thing, and you know it. I am not a huge fan of looking at number and making pronouncements on players in any sport. It is a lazy and superficial way of talent evaluation. I am curious of how Adams numbers would have compared with Kam Chancellor, whom I also recall not having eye-popping measurables, but showed that he could have a very productive career Adams was better in every category except the vert. Chancellor was also three inches taller, seventeen pounds heavier, and got drafted four rounds later. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: Adams was better in every category except the vert. Chancellor was also three inches taller, seventeen pounds heavier, and got drafted four rounds later. I understand being taller more advantageous, but not the weight. I can't recall many times when Adams has been out-leveraged. At some point, and I am at that point, I really don't care where a player was drafted. It becomes a matter of how does the player rank in terms of his peers. Where they were drafted is marker for the GM's ledger, not the player. When Adams negotiates his next contract, the value will be based on his expected contributions and relative worth, not what round he was drafted. That is my chief concern with the player. at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I understand being taller more advantageous, but not the weight. I can't recall many times when Adams has been out-leveraged. At some point, and I am at that point, I really don't care where a player was drafted. It becomes a matter of how does the player rank in terms of his peers. Where they were drafted is marker for the GM's ledger, not the player. When Adams negotiates his next contract, the value will be based on his expected contributions and relative worth, not what round he was drafted. That is my chief concern with the player. at this point. The weight matters if you’re comparing workout numbers, which is what I thought we were doing. EY mentioned comparing Adams’s Combine results to a linebacker, and Chancellor is an even better example of that. I’m glad you’ve made peace with where Adams was drafted, but I haven’t, because ultimately it cost us four premium draft picks. And Adams’s draft position is my main gripe, so if you’re just going to fiat the entire idea of value then we don’t really have much to talk about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I think the idea of considering Adams a sunk cost is worthwhile and stimulating, myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, dbatesman said: I’m glad you’ve made peace with where Adams was drafted, What else am I supposed to do, have a hissy fit continually complaining about something in the past and I have no control over? Again, that is on the GM's ledger that drafted him. My chief concern is how he compares to peers and what his worth may be to the Jets in the future. Combine numbers be damned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: What else am I supposed to do, have a hissy fit continually complaining about something in the past and I have no control over? I’ve got some bad news about this website buddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said: Honest question, do they have any measurement for reaction time? I don't believe the NFL measures it, but there's definitely ways to do so, and I imagine we could probably find meaningful correlations from it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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