Kevin L Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Agreed. But again, that gets washed out by sample size. His catch rate being remarkably consistent can't really be pinned on his QB's. It simply can't. Definitely not all of it, but a deep threat with inconsistent QB play will have a lower rate. I'd take Mike Evans and his 57% rate any day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Sun RA? it's what he calls his own IG account that's his brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Lol. Anderson could easily be #1 in that situation. He has been. 4th and 15, gotta have it. How you ranking it? Either way, I’d rather NOT give him 15million but the alternative plan of using Vyncint Smith instead and counting on a 2nd/3rd round rookie is a little scary. Only way I feel OK with that is if the oline was significantly better and Griffin and Hernon are healthy the whole season. A lot of if’s. Either way is a gamble. Thumbs up. We could spend $18 million on Amari Cooper. Can we all deal with all the dropped passes. he drops a bunch of them. It's always a gamble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, genot said: Alshon Jeffery hasn't been as productive on a team with a more polished QB, and certainly a better o-line. Go look.Check out sanders career numbers. His first four years, he was not as productive as Anderson. Green is an injury prone, 32 yr old. Tyrell Williams hasn't been as productive as anderson, even with a more seasoned QB's and better o-lines. But Alshon Jeffery showed that he was a #1 before that contract and played like a #1 WR. Sanders is a good argument for those RA Hopefuls but that means that you have to pay him top 15 WR money before he shows it. Sanders was not given top 15 WR money until after he performed. AJ Green is a top 5 WR in the NFL when healthy... sure he hasn't been the last 2 years but RA will never be as good as AJ was... Tyrell Williams showed he could be a #1 WR when AB left... then got hurt... RA has never shown he could carry the load... all of these WR you listed showed they could carry the load at one point in their career, accept Tyrell Williams and Parker... I just don't think he is even close to that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: The point is its quite clear that not only was their QB play horrific, but they also had exactly zero other receivers to target. That hasn't been the case here. Rate is rate, but when you're getting triple covered, it plays a role. I don't know about you, but I haven't seen Anderson get treated like the target monster Hopkins is at any point in his career. Hopkins wasn't triple covered. The biggest change was QB and you have to be a ******* idiot to argue that a significant improvement at QB wouldn't improve catch rate. I mean seriously. Unless you are arguing that lots of targets = decreased efficiency. Like we'd exepct to see with a RB getting a ton of carries due to wear and tear. But I don't find that argument terribly compelling. And jftr, i agree with you and would not give Anderson 15M, but his crappy catch rate with crappy QB's is pretty down the list of reasons why I wouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: But Alshon Jeffery showed that he was a #1 before that contract and played like a #1 WR. Sanders is a good argument for those RA Hopefuls but that means that you have to pay him top 15 WR money before he shows it. Sanders was not given top 15 WR money until after he performed. AJ Green is a top 5 WR in the NFL when healthy... sure he hasn't been the last 2 years but RA will never be as good as AJ was... Tyrell Williams showed he could be a #1 WR when AB left... then got hurt... RA has never shown he could carry the load... all of these WR you listed showed they could carry the load at one point in their career, accept Tyrell Williams and Parker... I just don't think he is even close to that level. Anderson at !3 mill, should be considered a complementary piece. Some of those WR you listed if they were hitting FA this year they'd be signing for a lot more than that. Lets resign Robby, and draft an Alshon type receiver. Everything that we prayed Enunwa would become 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, CTM said: Hopkins wasn't triple covered. The biggest change was QB and you have to be a ******* idiot to argue that a significant improvement at QB wouldn't improve catch rate. I mean seriously. Unless you are arguing that lots of targets = decreased efficiency. Like we'd exepct to see with a RB getting a ton of carries due to wear and tear. But I don't find that argument terribly compelling. And jftr, i agree with you and would not give Anderson 15M, but his crappy catch rate with crappy QB's is pretty down the list of reasons why I wouldn't What is this fascination some people have with pinching pennies. i don't get it. I do get it, but to me its foolhardy. We lose Anderson over a few million and replace him with what. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, CTM said: Hopkins wasn't triple covered. The biggest change was QB and you have to be a ******* idiot to argue that a significant improvement at QB wouldn't improve catch rate. I mean seriously. Did you watch Texans games or something? And no, of course I'm not arguing that. I'm saying Hopkins is a special case amongst the low efficiency camp. The amount of targets and attention he got from opposing secondaries from the jump was insane, and not comparable to Robby Anderson's situation. And even still, his catch rate beat Robby's by about 4-5 % in that span. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, genot said: What is this fascination some people have with pinching pennies. i don't get it. I do get it, but to me its foolhardy. We lose Anderson over a few million and replace him with what. its not about pinching pennies, for that money you should get XXX quality receiver - a guys who gets open and can contribute. The argument is andersend doesn't give you that XXX- is a number 3 guy. number 3 guys is not worth tthat much money. pretty simple. Then factor in you can get a guy off the street that will give you similar production - or you get a draft pick that can give you maybe less production but has upside to develop into somethign better. Is just about better roster management and development. Cant keep paying for trash. You pay guys that money that are worth it and give you production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, genot said: What is this fascination some people have with pinching pennies. i don't get it. I do get it, but to me its foolhardy. We lose Anderson over a few million and replace him with what. Because overpaying inferior talent gets you into trouble down the road. Think Trumaine Johnson's presence on this team didn't cause problems, just because we had the money to burn? Of course it did. Because of his high salary we didn't bench him until Gregg Williams came along. That blocked the path for young Corners and also prevented us from drafting any with early picks. Pay Robby, and all of a sudden you're no longer looking for a WR1 in the draft. Because when you pay a player a bunch of money, you're operating under the assumption that you're "set" at a spot on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Why is the decision between Robby Anderson and Vyncint Smith + 2nd/3rd rounder? There's quite a lot more gray area than that in the middle. What’s the alternative as of now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 1:06 PM, MaxAF said: Let him hit FA wanting 13 mil. He’ll be back in camp at 10 mil. Nah Some idiot will shell out the $10+ to sign him. I love Robbie but at a certain price. Not worth getting into a bidding war over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: What’s the alternative as of now? Drafting good football players. I dunno may be worth a shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: its not about pinching pennies, for that money you should get XXX quality receiver - a guys who gets open and can contribute. The argument is andersend doesn't give you that XXX- is a number 3 guy. number 3 guys is not worth tthat much money. pretty simple. Then factor in you can get a guy off the street that will give you similar production - or you get a draft pick that can give you maybe less production but has upside to develop into somethign better. Is just about better roster management and development. Cant keep paying for trash. You pay guys that money that are worth it and give you production. Can't keep paying for trash. I think that statement shows me where your head is at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Drafting good football players. I dunno may be worth a shot. Good football players eventually are going to want good money. Whats your answer. Get rid of them when we have to sign them to a second deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, genot said: Good football players eventually are going to want good money. Whats your answer. Get rid of them when we have to sign them to a second deal. Build a winning a consistent winning culture here. Winning changes everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Because overpaying inferior talent gets you into trouble down the road. Think Trumaine Johnson's presence on this team didn't cause problems, just because we had the money to burn? Of course it did. Because of his high salary we didn't bench him until Gregg Williams came along. That blocked the path for young Corners and also prevented us from drafting any with early picks. Pay Robby, and all of a sudden you're no longer looking for a WR1 in the draft. Because when you pay a player a bunch of money, you're operating under the assumption that you're "set" at a spot on the field. Please don't compare Robby to johnson. Johnson is a lazy good for nothing who took the money and dogged it. I don't think Anderson has that sort of mentality. At least i haven't seen that in him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Build a winning a consistent winning culture here. Winning changes everything. Part of building a winning culture is rewarding players who performed well for you, It's a good message to send out to the team. You can't be stupid about it, but rewarding productive players builds a concept that their part of the jet family and we would like to keep you in that family as long as possible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, genot said: Good football players eventually are going to want good money. Whats your answer. Get rid of them when we have to sign them to a second deal. And perhaps draft more good football players to replace them. Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: And perhaps draft more good football players to replace them. Yes. How about we draft more good ones to SUPPLEMENT the few we have, instead of letting those few good ones go once it’s time to renew their original contracts? That might actually lead to winning... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJIII Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 11:38 AM, Patriot Killa said: See ya! Best of luck to you. CeeDee Lamb in April? Amari Cooper in March.? Would love to get CeeDee but I can assure he will be an Arizona Cardinal at #8 unless he's already gone. Kliff is all over that kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, RJIII said: Would love to get CeeDee but I can assure he will be an Arizona Cardinal at #8 unless he's already gone. Kliff is all over that kid. Damn great point. That’s a big possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, genot said: He was under thrown a bunch this year. You saw what i saw. A bunch of times he was open deep, and he was under thrown by Darnold. look at the crap we have at QB and blame the UFDA for not carrying them...brilliant FREE ROBBY! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Losmeister said: look at the crap we have at QB and blame the UFDA for not carrying them...brilliant FREE ROBBY! I'd love to be eavesdropping on Gase and Douglas conversations talking about Robby. Douglas is a good football guy. My guess is he would like to retain Robby, but Gase is protesting. Just a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, genot said: You talk like he's been a bank robber, or drug dealer. he's made some mistakes, but not the kind that would make him out to be thuggish. I didn't say he was a thug. I said he makes bad decisions, which is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said: Lol. Anderson could easily be #1 in that situation. He has been. 4th and 15, gotta have it. How you ranking it? Either way, I’d rather NOT give him 15million but the alternative plan of using Vyncint Smith instead and counting on a 2nd/3rd round rookie is a little scary. Only way I feel OK with that is if the oline was significantly better and Griffin and Hernon are healthy the whole season. A lot of if’s. Either way is a gamble. 90% of Jets fans would never rank him #1 on that list bc they actually watched football last season. 4th and 15 is typically converted by an inside breaking route where the WR/TE/RB have to make somebody miss to get the 1st down since the defense forces the offense to throw it underneath. Robby would be the last person you'd throw the ball to if you need someone to make a guy miss or break a tackle. Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 How about we draft more good ones to SUPPLEMENT the few we have, instead of letting those few good ones go once it’s time to renew their original contracts? That might actually lead to winning... I’ve long been an advocate of re-signing Jordan Jenkins. It’s not JD’s fault Macc drafted like 3 decent players. Doubling down by paying big money to mistakes is not smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 57 minutes ago, genot said: I'd love to be eavesdropping on Gase and Douglas conversations talking about Robby. Douglas is a good football guy. My guess is he would like to retain Robby, but Gase is protesting. Just a hunch. Terrible hunch. If Douglas wanted him signed he'd be signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 What’s the alternative as of now?Trading Jamal and using our firsts on an OT and a WR.Signing Breshad Perriman or DeMarcus Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Can't keep paying for trash. I think that statement shows me where your head is at.Macc drafted trash so trash is what we have. Our best players are a $17.5M per year ILB and a Strong Safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, choon328 said: Terrible hunch. If Douglas wanted him signed he'd be signed. Going by your theory, he doesn't want Jenkins, Poole, and Beachum back. If that's the case, we're in a boatload of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, choon328 said: I didn't say he was a thug. I said he makes bad decisions, which is true I know you didn't. i just don't think the bad decisions he made are so alarming, that it should be festering with you so much. Not trying to be a wise guy with you, but we've all made some stupid choices in our lives. I know i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Macc drafted trash so trash is what we have. Our best players are a $17.5M per year ILB and a Strong Safety. I disagree with you a lot, but your a good poster, who makes good arguments. that guy was referring to Anderson as trash, which i think is beyond ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, 14 in Green said: How about we draft more good ones to SUPPLEMENT the few we have, instead of letting those few good ones go once it’s time to renew their original contracts? That might actually lead to winning... Exactly. Otherwise you are in a vicious circle that never gets better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 15 hours ago, choon328 said: That's what you took out of my post? And Pretty much in the large majority of games he was the 4th option behind any combination of these 4: Crowder, Bell, Thomas and Griffin patently untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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