Report: Jets Plan on Making Push to Retain Robby, Bidding Could hit $15 Million

[ZachEY]

6 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

This place is going to be nuts in a year or two when Darnold and his agent are asking for more than $40 million per....

Especially if he keeps putting up bottom 5 QB numbers.

[peekskill68]

50 minutes ago, nycdan said:

And here we go again.

The salary cap last season was about $188MM.  It is projected to go up to about $200MM this year.  Next year, it could go up quite a bit more when the new CBA kicks in.  Figure conservatively it goes to $220MM.

So by next season, there will be almost $40MM more in cap per team than last year.  Salaries are going to inflate and what seemed exorbitant  two years ago will be a bargain then.  Every good Safety and WR signing new contracts will be making as much or more than the $15MM we may pay Jamal or Robby.  This is not as simple as "$15MM is way too much".   There is math involved.  Hopefully the Jets FO is good at math.  Because if you guys have your way, we'll likely be paying a slightly above average Safety $15MM in 2021 while Jamal is still doing All-Pro things for the same money on another team.  

NFL rosters are not like anything else out there and your sense of what a player is worth may not have anything to do with the reality of how teams manage their rosters.  Teams doing something you don't agree with does not make them wrong, and does not doom the team.  

And when Amari Cooper re-signs with Dallas for more than Julio Jones's $22 mill, many here will say WTF and blame Woody and CJ for being cheap like the Wilpons by letting Robby walk for $14M...  #SOJF

[Rhg1084]

Sign Robby and bring in a rookie like Higgins (2nd rd) and let’s go to work!

[14 in Green]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

Nah.  We'll just trade him for a 1st and a 3rd and laugh all the way to the draft.

I don't understand why people refuse to look long term with these contracts. You've talked about the salary cap going up many times here, but it always falls on deaf ears. Free agent contracts that look crazy today will probably look like bargains in a year or two.

I'm dating myself here, but I remember when Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson signed for what seemed like ungodly sums. Just a few years later, they seemed like brilliant moves. We see it all the time now in every sport. "How can they pay THAT guy THAT much????" Then another guy signs for more the next season.

[14 in Green]

5 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Especially if he keeps putting up bottom 5 QB numbers.

Oh. I hear you, believe me.

It's not going to stop him from asking though...

[Losmeister]

14 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Nah.  We'll just trade him for a 1st and a 3rd and laugh all the way to the draft.

Sam might get a 1st thats 25-32...    no way you;re getting 2 draft [picks for BackFoot Sam

[flgreen]

19 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

This place is going to be nuts in a year or two when Darnold and his agent are asking for more than $40 million per....

If he's an elite top 5 QB, not a problem.  If he's meh, middle of the pack, yeah people will be upset

[genot]

1 hour ago, SR24 said:

OBJ makes 14mil, if the bidding gets to 15 I'd rather just send a 2nd to Cleveland for him tbh. Love Robby but $15mil is insane 

He's a cancer. We'd regret it a year later.

[jgb]

25 minutes ago, nycdan said:

FWIW, Jarvis Landry is not any more my idea of a WR you overpay than Robby.  In fact, Robby has more TDs over the past two seasons than Landry.  Same is true of Watkins and Cooks.  Then you have Brown who melted down into worthless slag, and Beckham who is one step away from that some weeks.  Thielen nearly disappeared this past season as well.  

So basically, half of that list probably wasn't worth the money.  Welcome to the 21st century NFL.

 

Worth? NFL is a closed economic system. It’s not like us choosing to buy a cheaper car because you need that money to fix the roof. Spending under the cap is like taking casino chips home with you because the blackjack table is too expensive. 

[Warfish]

Of course we are.

 

[genot]

24 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

And when Amari Cooper re-signs with Dallas for more than Julio Jones's $22 mill, many here will say WTF and blame Woody and CJ for being cheap like the Wilpons by letting Robby walk for $14M...  #SOJF

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

Teams doing something you don't agree with does not make them wrong, and does not doom the team.  

Yes it does and yes it does.  

[jgb]

Jets are not a destination team. Robbie is exactly the type of FA we have a chance at. The one who has publicly stated he will accept the highest bid ala Bell.

Anyway this is Macc’s fault for not extended Robbie after his first year with Darnold and the stink of his arrest still depressing his market value.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, genot said:

If it was up to some people on this board, we'd have a team of mediocre players, performing on their rookie contracts, and a bunch of cheap over the hill players, playing out their careers. Not a winning formula.

F*** that.  If it were up to quite a few people on this board (in foresight, not hindsight), we'd have Deshaun Watson/Pat Mahomes slinging passes all over the field right now to some quality weapons.  

[jgb]

48 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

This place is going to be nuts in a year or two when Darnold and his agent are asking for more than $40 million per....

Best way to turn Jets fans against a player is for him to overperform his contract and want a raise. Probably why as a franchise we worship our JAGs while maligning the likes of Revis and C-Mart.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

Best way to turn Jets fans against a player is for him to overperform his contract and want a raise. Probably why as a franchise we worship our JAGs while maligning the likes of Revis and C-Mart.

History has suggested that every single player the Jets have overpaid has helped lead to bad results.  

Hence why this team has rarely been good in the salary cap era.  

[genot]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

F*** that.  If it were up to quite a few people on this board (in foresight, not hindsight), we'd have Deshaun Watson/Pat Mahomes slinging passes all over the field right now to some quality weapons.  

Well yea. Mahomes is awesome. Lets wait 5 yrs, and see what happens. It's not to late for Darnold to be that type of QB.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, genot said:

Well yea. Mahomes is awesome. Lets wait 5 yrs, and see what happens. It's not to late for Darnold to be that type of QB.

Yes, it is.  

Even at his absolute best, Darnold has looked a little above average.  Maybe a borderline top 10 QB.  

At his best, Mahomes has looked like the GOAT.

Massive difference between the two.  Only a homer would ever suggest Darnold can be Pat Mahomes.  Mahomes already has a 50+ TD season and a ring under his belt.   He'd have to absolutely suck for a bunch of years in a row to remove that shine.

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

History has suggested that every single player the Jets have overpaid has helped lead to bad results.  

Hence why this team has rarely been good in the salary cap era.  

The answer isn’t to refuse to pay studs, the answer is to evaluate better.

[Jetster]

15 million for a guy whose never broken a tackle? INSANE!!! Give that 15 million to an Olineman like Conklin that can block so Darnold can hit any damn WR whose lucky enough to play with him when he has more than 2 seconds to throw the damn ball! 

NFL is on crazy pills. If JD signs Robby Anderson for 15 million per & a huge guaranteed contract he'll be another GM I want fired. Top 5 WR salaries you better be DAMN SPECIAL, like Michael Thomas, Deandre Hopkins special. Not Robby 9 route special. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, jgb said:

The answer isn’t to refuse to pay studs, the answer is to evaluate better.

The answer is to actually understand what a stud is.  Jamal Adams is not a stud.  Robby Anderson is not a stud.  Curtis Martin, at the time we paid him, was not a stud.  "Evaluating better" includes paying a player for what you think he'll become, not just paying a guy because he's become a "name", or for potential that doesn't exist. 

Robby Anderson is a WR2 and will never be a WR1.  If $15M becomes the going rate for a WR2, I can see that logic, but its really not currently and seems a ways away from becoming the going rate, even with the new CBA in mind.

Revis was a stud for sure, and I didn't mind so much when we paid him in 2010.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 minute ago, Jetster said:

15 million for a guy whose never broken a tackle? INSANE!!! Give that 15 million to an Olineman like Conklin that can block so Darnold can hit any damn WR whose lucky enough to play with him when he has more than 2 seconds to throw the damn ball! 

NFL is on crazy pills. If JD signs Robby Anderson for 15 million per & a huge guaranteed contract he'll be another GM I want fired. Top 5 WR salaries you better be DAMN SPECIAL, like Michael Thomas, Deandre Hopkins special. Not Robby 9 route special. 

100

 

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The answer is to actually understand what a stud is.  Jamal Adams is not a stud.  Robby Anderson is not a stud.  Curtis Martin, at the time we paid him, was not a stud.  "Evaluating better" includes paying a player for what you think he'll become, not just paying a guy because he's become a "name", or for potential that doesn't exist. 

Robby Anderson is a WR2 and will never be a WR1.  If $15M becomes the going rate for a WR2, I can see that logic, but its really not currently and seems a ways away from becoming the going rate.

Revis was a stud for sure, and I didn't mind so much when we paid him in 2010.  

We are saying the same thing. Jets problems are paying guys who puffed up and turded our after getting paid or never deserved the money in the first place. Studs are neither of those things.

[JohnnyLV]

57 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

OK im not sure how this is even under consideration from some of my fellow JN posters. I  mean I get Joe D is doing his GM thing saying all the right things but I fully expect  Robbie to be gone or paid significantly less than 15 mil a year.

Here is a list of Top paid WR in the NFL. Look at those names. I'm sorry but it seems very hard to take anyone seriously that wants us to fork over 15 mil for Robbie.

You don't pay to keep guys just because they are best you got - or have some glimmer of hope. You pay guys that produce or have the some innate remarkable talent that you cant draft, or sign off the street. Guys like Sam Darnold or L. Bell. 

Look we have drafted bad so our talent sucks, i get it, but don't keep repeating or cheer leading to repeat the same mistakes that have killed us for years. D. Thomas came in last year from the Pats and took the number 1 WR spot. He wasn't good enough to evern make the team there an came in and took the number 1 spot. Guys off the street are supposed to come in and fight for the 4th spot talent wise. This whole idea that Robbie who, with all his faults and merits - which have been argued at length by many on Jetnation, cant just be replaced by another guy off the street, drafted or someone else that costs way less and has less off field stuff going is wrong. He can and he should be. 

But there are people seriously arguing to pay him 15 million plus? WTF. Look at the list of top paid. I'm sorry I just cant sign up for that crap.

Signing him is a terrible move. Yeah lets pay him more than Davante Adams. contrarian

NFL's highest paid wide receivers (average salary per year):

• 1. Browns WR Odell Beckham Jr.: $18 million
• 2. Raiders WR Antonio Brown: $16.7 million
• 3. Buccaneers WR Mike Evans: $16.5 million
• 4. Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins: $16.2 million
• 5. Rams WR Brandin Cooks: $16.2 million
• 6. Vikings WR Adam Thielen: $16.2 million
• 7. Chiefs WR Sammy Watkins: $16 million
• 8. Browns WR Jarvis Landry: $15.1 million
• 9. Bengals WR A.J. Green: $15 million
• 10. Packers WR Davante Adams: $14.5 million

Agree 100% for this. In my opinion the Jets should look at 3 options with Robbie:

1. See if he will sign a reasonable contract. $15 million is NOT reasonable based on comps. On ANY level. He is not in the same world as any of those receivers.

2. Decide whether or not to apply the transition tag to him. We dont have any franchise TAG candidates so transition should be OK with old or new CBA rules

3. If we do not want to transition, just let him go.  

I laugh at posters that think that just because the cap is going up we should "just pay the man" It's incredibly dumb. Smart teams in the NFL should not ever approach things that way, and that environment will never really exist in the NFL. NE has Brady but their success is also because they do not overpay for anyone. (And the BS under the table payments to Brady dont hurt either)

On a related note, if the butt-hurt elites in the NFL convince the rank and file players in the NFL to vote against the CBA, it will end very badly for the players. They will not get a better CBA than the offer which is on the table now. 

 

 

[jgb]

56 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Especially if he keeps putting up bottom 5 QB numbers.

Wipponz

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

We are saying the same thing. Jets problems are paying guys who puffed up and turded our after getting paid or never deserved the money in the first place. Studs are neither of those things.

Right but you've also been saying Jets fans are averse to paying guys.  If we've gotten burned by that time and again, obviously that's going to be the prevailing viewpoint until we find players who are unquestionably worth a big contract.

[82nd Airborne]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Good for them.  We need weapons on offense and, like it or not, Robby is a weapon.

We need weapons of mass destruction damn it!

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

15 million for Robbie

 

[genot]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes, it is.  

Even at his absolute best, Darnold has looked a little above average.  Maybe a borderline top 10 QB.  

At his best, Mahomes has looked like the GOAT.

Massive difference between the two.  Only a homer would ever suggest Darnold can be Pat Mahomes.  Mahomes already has a 50+ TD season and a ring under his belt.   He'd have to absolutely suck for a bunch of years in a row to remove that shine.

Mahomes plays behind a far superior offensive line, with more weapons, and plays in a proven offensive system, coached by Andy Reid. Big difference compared to what darnold started his career with. No.?

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, genot said:

Mahomes plays behind a far superior offensive line, with more weapons, and plays in a proven offensive system, coached by Andy Reid. Big difference compared to what darnold started his career with. No.?

2 things can be true at the same time:  Mahomes walked into a great situation AND is a super-elite QB, far superior to Sam Darnold in every way.  Only a homer could watch those 2 play and suggest otherwise. 

And again, I said Sam AT HIS BEST.  Meaning even when removing all his bad performances and looking at the times when he has a free pocket and is throwing darts, Mahomes still looks like a completely different and significantly better QB.  

It's why Andy Reid traded up for him and dumped Alex Smith (coming off a career year) in the first place.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Agree 100% for this. In my opinion the Jets should look at 3 options with Robbie:

1. See if he will sign a reasonable contract. $15 million is NOT reasonable based on comps. On ANY level. He is not in the same world as any of those receivers.

2. Decide whether or not to apply the transition tag to him. We dont have any franchise TAG candidates so transition should be OK with old or new CBA rules

3. If we do not want to transition, just let him go.  

I laugh at posters that think that just because the cap is going up we should "just pay the man" It's incredibly dumb. Smart teams in the NFL should not ever approach things that way, and that environment will never really exist in the NFL. NE has Brady but their success is also because they do not overpay for anyone. (And the BS under the table payments to Brady dont hurt either)

On a related note, if the butt-hurt elites in the NFL convince the rank and file players in the NFL to vote against the CBA, it will end very badly for the players. They will not get a better CBA than the offer which is on the table now. 

 

 

I also think that some other team is likely to pay him more than he is worth. I very much welcome it. Because I do not think He wants to sign for anything less that 15 mil. 

YOu bring up the tag, i wonder what that would cost. I always thought the tag was for a stud you didnt want to pay for or couldnt afford so you could hold on to him for a while to give time to find a trade. Although im not too clear on all that.

Ideally right now just some other team signs him and we are done. If would have been nice to trade him last year.

[ElBarrioJets]

Why exactly aren't we talking about a tag and trade for Robby? The tag would be $18.5m. If the market is really going to go up to $15-16m, why not roll the dice on trading him? 

[BornJetsFan1983]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

2 things can be true at the same time:  Mahomes walked into a great situation AND is a super-elite QB, far superior to Sam Darnold in every way.  Only a homer could watch those 2 play and suggest otherwise. 

And again, I said Sam AT HIS BEST.  Meaning even when removing all his bad performances and looking at the times when he has a free pocket and is throwing darts, Mahomes still looks like a completely different and significantly better QB.  

It's why Andy Reid traded up for him and dumped Alex Smith (coming off a career year) in the first place.  

I want to agree with you. But the knock on sam is too much. I do not think P Homes is far superior. Faced with half the pressure and lack of talent that sam faces every week; Mahomes got shut down. The games where their was injuries and some pressure P Homes came down to earth. And that still doesnt take into account the Bowles of gase factor that Sam has to deal with.

I think it is better to say Mahomes is super elite and has had much better results that Sam, BUT Sam has all the talent in the world and would have done as good or possibly better than mahomes in the same situation. 

I do not think for one second that Mahomes would have shown as much upside on the Jets that Sam has.

Sorry bud just my opinion. 

 

[82nd Airborne]

2 hours ago, Gibby said:

I’m exactly 50/50 on this. Definitely some pros and cons to weigh here.

No guessing games.  If management is iffy, then look elsewhere! 

[sec101row23]

Some of you guys get caught up way too much in the salaries.  The reality is that there isnt that much difference if Robby signs for $11M per year or $15M per year.  If you want the player, you pay the player.  If you like him at $11M, then you can like him at $15M.  In the grand scheme of things it’s not killing you.