Marcus Maye: Free Safety. 4 Career INTs: Where are all of his game changing plays as a Free Safety?!?

[Defense Wins Championships]

2 hours ago, rangerous said:

maye isn't asking for 15 million per year and potentially put the team into some sort of cap problems in the future.  i like both of these guys.  they are both major upgrades over the players they replaced.

That's right.

Maye isn't asking for $15 Million. Well I've got news for you;

Marcus Maye is not a former All-Rookie team member and current 2x Pro Bowler and 2x All-Pro (either). Jamal Adams, is. 

Marcus Maye is also 3 years older than Jamal Adams (27 compared to only 24). 

No body is asking to give up a 1st round pick for Marcus Maye, neither. Jerry Jones has for Jamal Adams (looking for his next Darren Woodson). 

(apples to oranges, 

And please stop talking to me about Jamal Adams and the NFL salary cap when it's currently set at $198.2 Million Per Year.

When in comparison to being set @ only $40,000,000 Million Per Year (1996) as the Dallas Cowboys just won 3 of 4 SB's while still being able to for the services of 6 future Hall of Famers in....

Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders, Larry Allen and Charles Haley.

along with still being able to pay other Pro Bowl, All-Pro and/or just overall animals in Darren Woodson, Russell Maryland, Leon Lett, Nate Netwon, Jay Novacek, Darryl (moose) Johnson, and SB MVP Larry Brown!

But yet the Jets can only afford to pay Sam Darnold while still on his Rookie contract? More than laughable it's disgusting. 

However superstar players such as Jamal Adams or anyone else (outside of Darnold) is not allowed to get paid? What a freaking JOKE. 

 lol @ you guys man. 

Year	Maximum team salary
2019	$188.2 million
2018	$177.2 million[15]
2017	$167.00 million
2016	$155.27 million[16]
2015	$143.28 million[17]
2014	$133 million[18]
2013	$123 million[19]
2012	$120.6 million[20]
2011	$120 million[20]
2010	Uncapped
2009	$123 million
2008	$116 million
2007	$109 million
2006	$102 million
2005	$85.5 million
2004	$80.582 million
2003	$75.007 million
2002	$71.101 million
2001	$67.405 million
2000	$62.172 million
1999	$57.288 million
1998	$52.388 million
1997	$41.454 million
1996	$40.753 million
1995	$37.1 million
1994	$34.608 million

First team All-Pro's = Left Side / Second team All-Pro's = Right Side. 

ALL-PRO OFFENSE:

QB: Lamar Jackson (Baltimore) / Russell Wilson (Seattle). 

RB: Christian McCaffrey (Carolina) / Derrick Henry (Tennessee). 

TE: George Kittle (San Francisco) / Travis Kelce (Kansas City). 

WR: Michael Thomas (New Orleans) / Julio Jones (Atlanta). 

WR: DeAndre Hopkins (Arizona) / Chris Godwin (Tampa Bay). 

LT: Ronnie Stanley (San Francisco) / David Bakhtiari (Green Bay). 

LG: Quinton Nelson (Indianapolis) / Joe Thuney (New England). 

C: Jason Kelce (Philadelphia) / Rodney Hudson (Las Vegas). 

RG: Zack Martin (Dallas). / Marshal Yanda (Baltimore). 

RT:  Ryan Ramczyk (New Orleans) / Mitchell Schwartz (Kansas City). 

First team All-Pro's = Left Side / Second team All-Pro's = Right Side. 

ALL-PRO DEFENSE: 

Edge Rusher: Chandler Jones (Arizona) / Shaq Barrett (Tampa Bay) 

Edge Rusher: T.J Watt (Pittsburgh) / Cameron Jordan (New Orleans)

Interior Linemen: Aaron Donald (Los Angeles) / Grady Jarrett (Atlanta). 

Interior Lineman: Cam Heyward (Pittsburgh) / DeForest Buckner (San Francisco).

Linebackers: Bobby Wagner (Seattle) / Luke Kuechly (Carolina). 

Linebacker:  Demario Davis, (New Orleans) / Darius Leonard (Indianapolis). 

Linebacker: Eric Kendricks (Minnesota) / T.J Watt (Pittsburgh). 

Cornerback: Stephon Gilmore (New England) / Richard Sherman (San Francisco). 

Cornerback: Tre'Davious White (Buffalo) / Marcus Peters (Ravens). 

Safeties: Jamal Adams (New York Jets) / Tyrann Mathieu (Kansas City). 

Safeties: Minkah Fitzpatrick (Pittsburgh Steelers) / Justin Simmons (Denver). 

And Joe Douglas will pay Jamal Adams accordingly for his services (and paid alongside the likes of the NFL's superstar talents in which he is now surrounded by).

All-Pro First-team!

[Jetsfan80]

Meh. 

The hate began the moment the Jets drafted him by some and went into overdrive the moment Jets fans realized that Macc whiffed on an all-timer. 

Im a Jets fan, why is it that I dont care that he compared himself to Aaron Donald? Aaron is the best at his position, so is Adam. SO what he wants to make 17+...this is a business right? He texted Ryan Clark, Okay. Doesnt GM's field calls on players? 

This is social media stuff that doesnt matter to me. 

 

None of that means we should be the ones to pay him, either.

 

We’ll see how fans feel about him as this situation gets ugly. It’s inevitable.

[TNJet]

Maye > Adams.

[heymangold]

@Defense Wins Championships, what do you do for a living?

[#27TheDominator]

21 minutes ago, heymangold said:

@Defense Wins Championships, what do you do for a living?

Sportswriter

[Defense Wins Championships]

1 hour ago, heymangold said:

@Defense Wins Championships, what do you do for a living?

Would you really like to know? 

I went from a difficult Electrician job of many of years that I hated and dreaded waking up every day, to a career over the past couple of years as an Enrollment Specialist/Educational Advisor for multiple Universities and Trade Schools all over the United States such as Northcentral Univeristy, Ultimate Medical Academy, Loyola IL (NCAA tourney cpl of years ago), Colorado Tech, American Intercontinental University, Keiser University, St. Petersburg College, South University, South College, Los Angeles Film School, Lincoln Tech (an NY/NJ automotive trade school), Phoenix College, Universal Technical Institute, CDL schools, Auguste Escoffier (School Of Culinary Arts), Independence University, etc over 280 schools Nation wide all depends on their city, state, zip code, which specific program prospects/students are looking for and could be anywhere from Business, Computers and Technology, Health Care and Medical, Criminal Justice and Legal, Psychology and Counseling, Hands on Trade(s), Art and Design, Culinary Arts, Nursing (separate from health care), Fire Fighting/Law Enforcement (C.J), Religious Studies, Science/Math/Engineering, Teaching and Education etc and depends on if their goal is to achieve a certificate, an Associates degree, bachelor degree, (if already have a bachelor's degree) a Masters degree (and if already a Masters) a PhD (Doctorate).

Company I work for goes $50/$50 with the colleges (per student enrollment) so we're all very well taken care of. Full vacations every year on the house. Literally. Went from an APT to a Florida HOME. Perfect attendance (like a football player I'm never even late for a morning A.M meeting). No Mo Wilk around my house hold. 

And if you think I can talk about the Jets? Hah. You've seen nothing yet if only could see see me talking to people (who are both friendly to me and learn from me) about all types of Management programs for multiple and specific fields, Real Estate, Entrepreneurship, Marketing, X-Ray Tech, Billing and Coding, Pharmacy Tech, Medical Administrative Assistant, C.N.A to LPN and RN, Drug Addiction, Alcoholism, Family therapy, C.S.I and Forensics, Pre-Law and Paralegal, Elementary School Teacher and Resource Specialist, Teachers for Higher EDU, Music, Photography, Game and Graphic design, I.T Support Services and Web Development, Information Technology and Software Systems, Electrician, Plumbing, HVAC, Construction, Welding, Carpentry, CDLs and Truck driving, Baking and Pastry, Hospitality and Bartender, Theology and Minister etc, etc (and the lists go on and on and one). 

You see. That's my life. My career. I've learned these programs inside out over the years (master at them all thousands of hours of study) and it's the way I support my wife and my 8 years old daughter (Kloe), the way I can take care of my mom if she ever needs any help with anything and its something I have a passion for and love and enjoy doing. Doesn't even feel like work for me and just so happen to get paid a lot more money  than all of my previous jobs that I've had combined on a yearly basis and have done it now for over 6 years and will never have to worry about getting shocked again or nightmares of forgetting to look down @ the floor for water puddles before touching electrical wiring i couldn't save a mans life who had a family on the line depended on me and needed me and i couldnt save him he died another father in front of me i tried to touch only his shirt (not skin) and didn't have the strength to save him and pull him free and that was the last day over 4 years ago i quit). 

Best of it all, during this corona virus? We're all working from home remotely all 460+ of us employees here in Tampa Bay are now able to work from home (provided us with two monitors and brand new PC), 4 one week vacations per year (or 160 yearly hours) + paid sick time and very parent friendly with parent/child bring to work day (where they set up events and games for the kids), voted in Time Magazine as one of the greatest companies in America to work for (the way they treat their employees), Fortune 500 club company, over $156.2M in Annual Revenue last year. Paid Holidays off not only Easter Sunday but today (Monday) we always get paid off the next day after a major holiday. 

So that's what I do in a nutshell. And I've been doing it from HOME the past 3-4 weeks. I love it so much, I already told my manager I told her I'm not coming back to the office anymore I love this work from home agent thing as my daughter gets to listen to her father speak knowledge all day long (she loves it I even let her listen with a headset on). 

May I ask you.. What do you do for a living? The Jets are fun for me. I came out of my JN retirement after this outbreak. Might as well talk Jets football from home (9-5) and get paid $$$$ while doing it lol  I love it couldn't pay me to work in an office again. Work from home has always been an option. I just never thought I'd like it because I'm a people person. Love it. 

 

 

[Jetlife33]

[rangerous]

16 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

That's right.

Maye isn't asking for $15 Million. Well I've got news for you;

Marcus Maye is not a former All-Rookie team member and current 2x Pro Bowler and 2x All-Pro (either). Jamal Adams, is. 

Marcus Maye is also 3 years older than Jamal Adams (27 compared to only 24). 

No body is asking to give up a 1st round pick for Marcus Maye, neither. Jerry Jones has for Jamal Adams (looking for his next Darren Woodson). 

(apples to oranges, 

And please stop talking to me about Jamal Adams and the NFL salary cap when it's currently set at $198.2 Million Per Year.

When in comparison to being set @ only $40,000,000 Million Per Year (1996) as the Dallas Cowboys just won 3 of 4 SB's while still being able to for the services of 6 future Hall of Famers in....

Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders, Larry Allen and Charles Haley.

along with still being able to pay other Pro Bowl, All-Pro and/or just overall animals in Darren Woodson, Russell Maryland, Leon Lett, Nate Netwon, Jay Novacek, Darryl (moose) Johnson, and SB MVP Larry Brown!

But yet the Jets can only afford to pay Sam Darnold while still on his Rookie contract? More than laughable it's disgusting. 

However superstar players such as Jamal Adams or anyone else (outside of Darnold) is not allowed to get paid? What a freaking JOKE. 

 lol @ you guys man. 

Year	Maximum team salary
2019	$188.2 million
2018	$177.2 million[15]
2017	$167.00 million
2016	$155.27 million[16]
2015	$143.28 million[17]
2014	$133 million[18]
2013	$123 million[19]
2012	$120.6 million[20]
2011	$120 million[20]
2010	Uncapped
2009	$123 million
2008	$116 million
2007	$109 million
2006	$102 million
2005	$85.5 million
2004	$80.582 million
2003	$75.007 million
2002	$71.101 million
2001	$67.405 million
2000	$62.172 million
1999	$57.288 million
1998	$52.388 million
1997	$41.454 million
1996	$40.753 million
1995	$37.1 million
1994	$34.608 million

First team All-Pro's = Left Side / Second team All-Pro's = Right Side. 

ALL-PRO OFFENSE:

QB: Lamar Jackson (Baltimore) / Russell Wilson (Seattle). 

RB: Christian McCaffrey (Carolina) / Derrick Henry (Tennessee). 

TE: George Kittle (San Francisco) / Travis Kelce (Kansas City). 

WR: Michael Thomas (New Orleans) / Julio Jones (Atlanta). 

WR: DeAndre Hopkins (Arizona) / Chris Godwin (Tampa Bay). 

LT: Ronnie Stanley (San Francisco) / David Bakhtiari (Green Bay). 

LG: Quinton Nelson (Indianapolis) / Joe Thuney (New England). 

C: Jason Kelce (Philadelphia) / Rodney Hudson (Las Vegas). 

RG: Zack Martin (Dallas). / Marshal Yanda (Baltimore). 

RT:  Ryan Ramczyk (New Orleans) / Mitchell Schwartz (Kansas City). 

First team All-Pro's = Left Side / Second team All-Pro's = Right Side. 

ALL-PRO DEFENSE: 

Edge Rusher: Chandler Jones (Arizona) / Shaq Barrett (Tampa Bay) 

Edge Rusher: T.J Watt (Pittsburgh) / Cameron Jordan (New Orleans)

Interior Linemen: Aaron Donald (Los Angeles) / Grady Jarrett (Atlanta). 

Interior Lineman: Cam Heyward (Pittsburgh) / DeForest Buckner (San Francisco).

Linebackers: Bobby Wagner (Seattle) / Luke Kuechly (Carolina). 

Linebacker:  Demario Davis, (New Orleans) / Darius Leonard (Indianapolis). 

Linebacker: Eric Kendricks (Minnesota) / T.J Watt (Pittsburgh). 

Cornerback: Stephon Gilmore (New England) / Richard Sherman (San Francisco). 

Cornerback: Tre'Davious White (Buffalo) / Marcus Peters (Ravens). 

Safeties: Jamal Adams (New York Jets) / Tyrann Mathieu (Kansas City). 

Safeties: Minkah Fitzpatrick (Pittsburgh Steelers) / Justin Simmons (Denver). 

And Joe Douglas will pay Jamal Adams accordingly for his services (and paid alongside the likes of the NFL's superstar talents in which he is now surrounded by).

All-Pro First-team!

if it was your money you'd worry about it.  

[Gastineau Lives]

On 4/10/2020 at 9:30 PM, jetstream23 said:

Just out of curiosity....what could we get if we packaged both Adams and Maye in a trade deal?  

2017 1st rounder and 2nd rounder. Jump on it.

[heymangold]

@Defense Wins Championships I’m a police officer.  I was just curious how you can write so much in a post hahah.  Keep it up.  I agree with almost all you say so far except Darnold over Mahomes!

[TNJet]

7 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Would you really like to know? 

I went from a difficult Electrician job of many of years that I hated and dreaded waking up every day, to a career over the past couple of years as an Enrollment Specialist/Educational Advisor for multiple Universities and Trade Schools all over the United States such as Northcentral Univeristy, Ultimate Medical Academy, Loyola IL (NCAA tourney cpl of years ago), Colorado Tech, American Intercontinental University, Keiser University, St. Petersburg College, South University, South College, Los Angeles Film School, Lincoln Tech (an NY/NJ automotive trade school), Phoenix College, Universal Technical Institute, CDL schools, Auguste Escoffier (School Of Culinary Arts), Independence University, etc over 280 schools Nation wide all depends on their city, state, zip code, which specific program prospects/students are looking for and could be anywhere from Business, Computers and Technology, Health Care and Medical, Criminal Justice and Legal, Psychology and Counseling, Hands on Trade(s), Art and Design, Culinary Arts, Nursing (separate from health care), Fire Fighting/Law Enforcement (C.J), Religious Studies, Science/Math/Engineering, Teaching and Education etc and depends on if their goal is to achieve a certificate, an Associates degree, bachelor degree, (if already have a bachelor's degree) a Masters degree (and if already a Masters) a PhD (Doctorate).

Company I work for goes $50/$50 with the colleges (per student enrollment) so we're all very well taken care of. Full vacations every year on the house. Literally. Went from an APT to a Florida HOME. Perfect attendance (like a football player I'm never even late for a morning A.M meeting). No Mo Wilk around my house hold. 

And if you think I can talk about the Jets? Hah. You've seen nothing yet if only could see see me talking to people (who are both friendly to me and learn from me) about all types of Management programs for multiple and specific fields, Real Estate, Entrepreneurship, Marketing, X-Ray Tech, Billing and Coding, Pharmacy Tech, Medical Administrative Assistant, C.N.A to LPN and RN, Drug Addiction, Alcoholism, Family therapy, C.S.I and Forensics, Pre-Law and Paralegal, Elementary School Teacher and Resource Specialist, Teachers for Higher EDU, Music, Photography, Game and Graphic design, I.T Support Services and Web Development, Information Technology and Software Systems, Electrician, Plumbing, HVAC, Construction, Welding, Carpentry, CDLs and Truck driving, Baking and Pastry, Hospitality and Bartender, Theology and Minister etc, etc (and the lists go on and on and one). 

You see. That's my life. My career. I've learned these programs inside out over the years (master at them all thousands of hours of study) and it's the way I support my wife and my 8 years old daughter (Kloe), the way I can take care of my mom if she ever needs any help with anything and its something I have a passion for and love and enjoy doing. Doesn't even feel like work for me and just so happen to get paid a lot more money  than all of my previous jobs that I've had combined on a yearly basis and have done it now for over 6 years and will never have to worry about getting shocked again or nightmares of forgetting to look down @ the floor for water puddles before touching electrical wiring i couldn't save a mans life who had a family on the line depended on me and needed me and i couldnt save him he died another father in front of me i tried to touch only his shirt (not skin) and didn't have the strength to save him and pull him free and that was the last day over 4 years ago i quit). 

Best of it all, during this corona virus? We're all working from home remotely all 460+ of us employees here in Tampa Bay are now able to work from home (provided us with two monitors and brand new PC), 4 one week vacations per year (or 160 yearly hours) + paid sick time and very parent friendly with parent/child bring to work day (where they set up events and games for the kids), voted in Time Magazine as one of the greatest companies in America to work for (the way they treat their employees), Fortune 500 club company, over $156.2M in Annual Revenue last year. Paid Holidays off not only Easter Sunday but today (Monday) we always get paid off the next day after a major holiday. 

So that's what I do in a nutshell. And I've been doing it from HOME the past 3-4 weeks. I love it so much, I already told my manager I told her I'm not coming back to the office anymore I love this work from home agent thing as my daughter gets to listen to her father speak knowledge all day long (she loves it I even let her listen with a headset on). 

May I ask you.. What do you do for a living? The Jets are fun for me. I came out of my JN retirement after this outbreak. Might as well talk Jets football from home (9-5) and get paid $$$$ while doing it lol  I love it couldn't pay me to work in an office again. Work from home has always been an option. I just never thought I'd like it because I'm a people person. Love it. 

 

 

He's Mike Maccagnan. Unemployed now.

[#27TheDominator]

15 minutes ago, TNJet said:

He's Mike Maccagnan. Unemployed now.

Why would you quote that whole post?  That's just mean.

[Defense Wins Championships]

2 hours ago, rangerous said:

if it was your money you'd worry about it.  

It's not my money.  

Or your money. 

Not JD's money, neither. 

It's actually Woddy Johnson money.

Who gives that money to his little brother Chris.

Who gives some of that money to JD.

Who they all get from Jet fans money. 

Who then gives that same money to Jet players. 

In order for miserable Jet fans to have a couple of players to enjoy watching and supporting and rooting for...

And you're right. If it were my money. Almost $200M money. I'd give my best overerall player and only true NFL Superstar player (#33) a good $17,000,000 per AND STILL HAVE ANOTHER (close to $200M) $181,200,000 in order to continue building my team around (after locking up my future HOF Safety @ the same time). 

And I know I'll get a lot of that $17M  back too (throughout Adams NYC marketing ability). Hello. 

I'd know what to do with almost $200M including a continuing/steadily/increasing salary cap (that's increased almost $160M over just the previous 24-25 years) but would, you? Probably not (lol). 

[TNJet]

2 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

It's not my money.  

Or your money. 

Not JD's money, neither. 

It's actually Woddy Johnson money.

Who gives that money to his little brother Chris.

Who gives some of that money to JD.

Who they all get from Jet fans money. 

Who then gives that same money to Jet players. 

In order for miserable Jet fans to have a couple of players to enjoy watching and supporting and rooting for...

And you're right. If it were my money. Almost $200M money. I'd give my best overerall player and only true NFL Superstar player (#33) a good $17,000,000 per AND STILL HAVE ANOTHER (close to $200M) $181,200,000 in order to continue building my team around (after locking up my future HOF Safety @ the same time). 

And I know I'll get a lot of that $17M  back too (throughout Adams NYC marketing ability). Hello. 

I'd know what to do with almost $200M including a continuing/steadily/increasing salary cap (that's increased almost $160M over just the previous 24-25 years) but would, you? Probably not (lol). 

You're slippin pal, I almost read this post under 20 seconds...

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

It's not my money.  

Or your money. 

Not JD's money, neither. 

It's actually Woddy Johnson money.

Who gives that money to his little brother Chris.

Who gives some of that money to JD.

Who they all get from Jet fans money. 

Who then gives that same money to Jet players. 

In order for miserable Jet fans to have a couple of players to enjoy watching and supporting and rooting for...

And you're right. If it were my money. Almost $200M money. I'd give my best overerall player and only true NFL Superstar player (#33) a good $17,000,000 per AND STILL HAVE ANOTHER (close to $200M) $181,200,000 in order to continue building my team around (after locking up my future HOF Safety @ the same time). 

And I know I'll get a lot of that $17M  back too (throughout Adams NYC marketing ability). Hello. 

I'd know what to do with almost $200M including a continuing/steadily/increasing salary cap (that's increased almost $160M over just the previous 24-25 years) but would, you? Probably not (lol). 

i hope you realize i'm not arguing that the jets should trade adams.  i don't think they should but at the same time douglass has to listen.  if he gets a really good offer then all bets are off.  as for maye, nobody talks about him because he's apparently not going to be angling for a 15 million contract.  he's a good player but not elite. and both of these guys seriously upgraded their position.  that's a good thing. 

the money can be a concern depending on whatever players come due for big contracts or who they want to get in free agency.  thus far douglass has done pretty well.  imo he did upgrade the oline.  but too many big contracts will limit the talent level at other positions.  as you said they could give adams a 17 million contract and still have 183 million to throw at the other players.  true enough, that's a lot of money except it gets whittled down pretty quickly.  in the jets case they're lucky in only having darnold's contract coming in the near future.

[legends of the fall]

On 4/13/2020 at 2:26 AM, Jetsfan80 said:

 

None of that means we should be the ones to pay him, either.

 

We’ll see how fans feel about him as this situation gets ugly. It’s inevitable.

I'd say it does, given that we're the team that drafted him. This is generally the intent, it is not? You draft players, develop them and resign that homegrown talent when they work out. 

Furthermore, the fact that he compared himself to Aaron Donald and looking for top money as a top Safety isnt a good enough reason not to sign him. Yet fans think that it is, which is why I know that this situation will inevitably get ugly in the eyes of fans. Jets fans will guarantee it. 

 

I also remember what you said about his text, but I also remember him go directly to the big boss to state how he wants to stay and he wanted to hear directly from the boss himself that he felt the same. So in other words, if he's not pushing himself out of the building then the problem are with fans perceptions, not Adams and the organization not being able to work together. 

 

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, legends of the fall said:

I'd say it does, given that we're the team that drafted him. This is generally the intent, it is not? You draft players, develop them and resign that homegrown talent when they work out. 

Furthermore, the fact that he compared himself to Aaron Donald and looking for top money as a top Safety isnt a good enough reason not to sign him. Yet fans think that it is, which is why I know that this situation will inevitably get ugly in the eyes of fans. Jets fans will guarantee it. 

 

I also remember what you said about his text, but I also remember him go directly to the big boss to state how he wants to stay and he wanted to hear directly from the boss himself that he felt the same. So in other words, if he's not pushing himself out of the building then the problem are with fans perceptions, not Adams and the organization not being able to work together. 

 

He's not pushing his way out of the building now, because he believes Douglas is on the same page with him.  

I doubt that will be the case when Jamal is asking for $18M+ per season.  Nothing about JD's frugal approach to free agency suggests he's going to come anywhere close to that number.  Not when there are holes all over the roster.

That's when it will get ugly.  When reality confronts Adams' ego.  

[Jetsfan80]

On 4/13/2020 at 8:54 AM, heymangold said:

I agree with almost all you say so far except Darnold over Mahomes!

Wait he said that?  LOL.  

[legends of the fall]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

He's not pushing his way out of the building now, because he believes Douglas is on the same page with him.  

I doubt that will be the case when Jamal is asking for $18M+ per season.  Nothing about JD's frugal approach to free agency suggests he's going to come anywhere close to that number.  Not when there are holes all over the roster.

That's when it will get ugly.  When reality confronts Adams' ego.  

This is what I suspected, and in my opinion it's a massive overreaction by Jets fans. 

Think about this. Jamal Adams, a guy who has clearly been the best player on this team by far the past couple seasons, a guy who is the best at his position as well as being one of the best football players in the league, consistently gets unjustly criticized by Jets fans...which you just deduced to it to being about his potential asking price. That's what this is really about. The text and Aaron Darnold comparisons was just cover for the fact that the idea of trading him is, how would you put it, a horrific idea. ?

So Adams is not pushing his way out of the building because he believes Douglas is on the same page. Is that a problem? Has Douglas stated otherwise? Has Adams officially put out a price? Where did that 18 million number come from? Did that come from directly from JA or some reporter throwing out comparative numbers in order to write a juicy article? 

With that said, folks are laying it on thick on a guy who's done nothing but produce in this league at the highest level, and has not been a problem for this team. No arrests, no scandals, no photos, etc...the things fans usually use to validate their position. Adams has none of that. There is no baggage, there is only an elite football player. 

If Douglas decides to trade him, then wouldnt it be in the best interest of Adams to try to navigate where he goes? What's wrong with that? He didnt get to choose what team drafted him. And if Douglas feels like he's great but too rich for our particular situation then why get mad at Adams for trying to do what's in the best interest of him when it's Douglas who doesnt see it the same way? 

 

Either way, the criticism is unjustified. It's business for Adams just as much as it is for Douglas. For fans it's not about business but loyalty to the team, which means that there's a biasness there that needs to be pointed out. Jamal Adams deserves to be the highest paid Safety in the league because he's played like the best safety in the league. To criticize him for that is like you being the best worker at whatever you do and wanting to get compensated like you are. Folks criticizing you wont change the fact that it's true. 

Jamal Adams is a beast and I would love to see Jets fans for once support their franchise player. 

[Jetsfan80]

42 minutes ago, legends of the fall said:

This is what I suspected, and in my opinion it's a massive overreaction by Jets fans. 

Think about this. Jamal Adams, a guy who has clearly been the best player on this team by far the past couple seasons, a guy who is the best at his position as well as being one of the best football players in the league, consistently gets unjustly criticized by Jets fans...which you just deduced to it to being about his potential asking price. That's what this is really about. The text and Aaron Darnold comparisons was just cover for the fact that the idea of trading him is, how would you put it, a horrific idea. ?

So Adams is not pushing his way out of the building because he believes Douglas is on the same page. Is that a problem? Has Douglas stated otherwise? Has Adams officially put out a price? Where did that 18 million number come from? Did that come from directly from JA or some reporter throwing out comparative numbers in order to write a juicy article? 

With that said, folks are laying it on thick on a guy who's done nothing but produce in this league at the highest level, and has not been a problem for this team. No arrests, no scandals, no photos, etc...the things fans usually use to validate their position. Adams has none of that. There is no baggage, there is only an elite football player. 

If Douglas decides to trade him, then wouldnt it be in the best interest of Adams to try to navigate where he goes? What's wrong with that? He didnt get to choose what team drafted him. And if Douglas feels like he's great but too rich for our particular situation then why get mad at Adams for trying to do what's in the best interest of him when it's Douglas who doesnt see it the same way? 

 

Either way, the criticism is unjustified. It's business for Adams just as much as it is for Douglas. For fans it's not about business but loyalty to the team, which means that there's a biasness there that needs to be pointed out. Jamal Adams deserves to be the highest paid Safety in the league because he's played like the best safety in the league. To criticize him for that is like you being the best worker at whatever you do and wanting to get compensated like you are. Folks criticizing you wont change the fact that it's true. 

Jamal Adams is a beast and I would love to see Jets fans for once support their franchise player. 

 

This is a business.  I want the Jets to get better.  I'm a Jets fan, not a Jamal Adams fan.  Not a Sam Darnold fan.  Not a Jordan Jenkins fan.  Jets fan.  I don't have to support any one player. 

I think it would help the Jets get better to trade Jamal Adams rather than pay him $18M+ per season.  Or even $15M+ per season, if the numbers' assumption bothers you.

If he was unquestionably a guy who is capable of moving the needle for the franchise, I'd gladly support an extension.  He isn't so I don't.

All the other stuff is fluff to me that doesn't matter a whole lot.  Yes, he works hard.  So do a lot of players.  Yes, he has talent.  So do a lot of other guys at more important/premium positions.  

[legends of the fall]

17 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

This is a business.  I want the Jets to get better.  I'm a Jets fan, not a Jamal Adams fan.  Not a Sam Darnold fan.  Not a Jordan Jenkins fan.  Jets fan.  I don't have to support any one player. 

I think it would help the Jets get better to trade Jamal Adams rather than pay him $18M+ per season.  Or even $15M+ per season, if the numbers' assumption bothers you.

If he was unquestionably a guy who is capable of moving the needle for the franchise, I'd gladly support an extension.  He isn't so I don't.

All the other stuff is fluff to me that doesn't matter a whole lot.  Yes, he works hard.  So do a lot of players.  Yes, he has talent.  So do a lot of other guys at more important/premium positions.  

 

Then be a Jets fan and support your team. No need to talk about texts, fake 18 million dollar salaries, comparisons to Tom Brady and Aaron Donald, his leadership ability when he's holding players accountable, etc. 

If you're a Jets fan then stop holding Jamal Adams business against him. Be a fan. 

You're trying to have it both ways. You say that all this other stuff is fluff and it doesn't matter, but that's not what you've been showing this entire time. 

[Jetsfan80]

34 minutes ago, legends of the fall said:

Then be a Jets fan and support your team. No need to talk about texts, fake 18 million dollar salaries, comparisons to Tom Brady and Aaron Donald, his leadership ability when he's holding players accountable, etc. 

If you're a Jets fan then stop holding Jamal Adams business against him. Be a fan. 

You're trying to have it both ways. You say that all this other stuff is fluff and it doesn't matter, but that's not what you've been showing this entire time. 

 

All the things Jamal is saying is evidence of what he believes his market value to be, and will be part of his unwillingness to settle at a "reasonable" price.  That IS part of the business.  

I'm rooting for him to get his money elsewhere.  

Telling people how to fan is one of the worst qualities around here.  Don't become that guy.

[legends of the fall]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

All the things Jamal is saying is evidence of what he believes his market value to be, and will be part of his unwillingness to settle at a "reasonable" price.  That IS part of the business.  

So in other words, the answer to "Did Jamal Adams say he wanted 18 million" is NO? 

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I'm rooting for him to get his money elsewhere.  

Telling people how to fan is one of the worst qualities around here.  Don't become that guy.

I did not at all tell you how to fan. You know that. You've been making a stink about all of the stuff you now call "fluff" and after being questioned about certain things such as this 18 million dollars you've mentioned, you decided not to give a definitive answer but to state this that you're not an Adams fan, Darnold fan, etc. 

All im saying is, if that's the case then why are you all in his texts and business? You can be the fan you claim you are without blowing things out of proportion regarding players that you're not a fan of. 

It's "you" that's becoming that guy. That's what's happening here. 

[Jetsfan80]

17 minutes ago, legends of the fall said:

So in other words, the answer to "Did Jamal Adams say he wanted 18 million" is NO? 

I did not at all tell you how to fan. You know that. You've been making a stink about all of the stuff you now call "fluff" and after being questioned about certain things such as this 18 million dollars you've mentioned, you decided not to give a definitive answer but to state this that you're not an Adams fan, Darnold fan, etc. 

All im saying is, if that's the case then why are you all in his texts and business? You can be the fan you claim you are without blowing things out of proportion regarding players that you're not a fan of. 

It's "you" that's becoming that guy. That's what's happening here. 

 

I also said I'm not willing to pay Jamal $15M+ either if you don't believe that Jamal is going to want the kind of coin I'm suggesting.

I never once told you how to fan.  I presented my opinion on Jamal and you lectured me to support our players/team.  Come on now.

[legends of the fall]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

I also said I'm not willing to pay Jamal $15M+ either if you don't believe that Jamal is going to want the kind of coin I'm suggesting.

 

Again, that isnt the answer to my question. My question was "Did Jamal Adams state that he wanted 18 million dollars"? 

Could you just answer the question? 

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I never once told you how to fan.  I presented my opinion on Jamal and you lectured me to support our players/team.  Come on now.

I never accused you of doing so. You stated your opinion and I stated how ridiculous your opinion was, especially after you said that the stuff was all fluff. 

But anyway, can you answer the question? Please? 

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, legends of the fall said:

Again, that isnt the answer to my question. My question was "Did Jamal Adams state that he wanted 18 million dollars"? 

Could you just answer the question? 

Of course not.  But all available evidence suggest he's going to want to be paid like a top defensive player in the league.  Comparing himself to Aaron Donald, the willingness to go to Dallas, the "I don't want to just be paid like the top Safety" tweet, CJ Mosley already making $17.5M per......I think the $18-20M estimate for what he's going to want is very realistic.  

Meanwhile there's zero reason or evidence on the other side of the coin to believe that he's going to be willing to give a "team discount" or merely take an Eddie Jackson type deal.  That's just blind hope if that's what you or anyone would like to argue.

[legends of the fall]

31 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Of course not.  But all available evidence suggest he's going to want to be paid like a top defensive player in the league.  Comparing himself to Aaron Donald, the willingness to go to Dallas, the "I don't want to just be paid like the top Safety" tweet, CJ Mosley already making $17.5M per......I think the $18-20M estimate for what he's going to want is very realistic.  

Meanwhile there's zero reason or evidence on the other side of the coin to believe that he's going to be willing to give a "team discount" or merely take an Eddie Jackson type deal.  That's just blind hope if that's what you or anyone would like to argue.

Then it would be fair to say that when folks use this amount of money that they should state that the amount is their opinion of what they expect him to ask for. So far all I seen are folks mentioning 18 million as if it was some definitive number that Jamal Adams told Douglas to either take or leave on the table. That's not quite fair when folks then use their opinion as something he did. 

There is no reason or evidence that he'll give a hometown discount, but to be fair, there's as much evidence for a hometown discount as there was for 18 million, yet folks have no problem running with the 18 million narrative. Also, he's on a hometown discount right now given that his production relative to his salary are way off. Taking that into account, I havent seen anyone mention that he deserves a raise in comparison to everything else I've read. 

As for my argument, I think he should get paid what he deserves. I think that's how you keep good homegrown players here. I think it's great to show your players that if they produce for you that they'll get paid, not that the only players that can get paid are free agents that havent put in an ounce of sweat for the team. 

[Defense Wins Championships]

59 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

I also said I'm not willing to pay Jamal $15M+ 

This isn't 1990 anymore, dude.

The cap is @ 200M, not $40M. 

So let me get this right...

Jamal Adams is only worth $15M to you...

but Carolina just gave a #2 WR with 0 All-Rookie, 0 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pros but yet a lot $0's in $12M guaranteed 1st year in Robby Anderson? 

Jamal is only worth $3M more than a #2 WR?!?  Ha. 

And suddenly you realize how naive you look like to me.

Thankfully you're not a GM or every good player would lol laugh at you...dude.

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, legends of the fall said:

As for my argument, I think he should get paid what he deserves. I think that's how you keep good homegrown players here. I think it's great to show your players that if they produce for you that they'll get paid, not that the only players that can get paid are free agents that havent put in an ounce of sweat for the team. 

What he deserves will fall well short of what he wants.  And how low he's willing to go will also go much higher than what JD wants to pay him.  That's the problem that arises when negotiating with a player who has a massive ego, and why it's difficult not to factor that aspect of his personality in to projecting how negotiations will end up going.  He's the type that will be "insulted" by an offer of $15M per.  

And JD doesn't exactly strike me as the type to blink first.  He's been drawing a line in the sand with every player he's negotiated with, including guys that were already in a Jets uniform, not just FA's.  

JD may be saying publicly that Jamal is a priority.  That will mean absolutely nothing when negotiations begin in earnest.  And I'm sure JD knows that.  

[legends of the fall]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

What he deserves will fall well short of what he wants.  And how low he's willing to go will also go much higher than what JD wants to pay him.  That's the problem that arises when negotiating with a player who has a massive ego, and why it's difficult not to factor that aspect of his personality in to projecting how negotiations will end up going.  He's the type that will be "insulted" by an offer of $15M per.  

This is all conjecture. The only thing that we know for sure is that Jamal Adams wants to be the best and that he wants loyalty from the organization. I can tell that by the fact that he compares himself to guys who are the best at their respective positions, including a guy named Tom Brady who has never been the highest paid QB, by the way. And I can tell that he wanted loyalty from the organization because the man went to Chris Johnson to speak about why he's part of trade talks. 

It sounds like people are taking these situations ^^^^ and twisting it into him being some sort of ego-maniac. If it isnt 18 million it's about his ego. All of these guys have ego's and I dont think Adams is unusually louder than anyone else. Adams is the same player that last year June Greg Williams said that "He coached better players than Adams". By that November Greg Williams said that "Adams is one of the best players he's ever coached". 

It took 6 months for Jamal Adams to drastically change Greg Williams perspective. This guy doesnt have a massive ego problem, he's a massive competitor. 

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And JD doesn't exactly strike me as the type to blink first.  He's been drawing a line in the sand with every player he's negotiated with, including guys that were already in a Jets uniform, not just FA's.  

JD may be saying publicly that Jamal is a priority.  That will mean absolutely nothing when negotiations begin in earnest.  And I'm sure JD knows that.  

This could all be true, but how could we know? We have yet to know what JD is. He hasn't made any blockbuster moves (resigning/releasing/trading Jamal would be a blockbuster move) so we're not sure what to expect. In that regard JD is shrouded in mystery. 

With that mystery comes to fact that we also dont know if he negotiates or sets lines in the sand and tells high-profile players to "take it or leave it". We dont know because JD has no history. 

 

Like I said, this is all just conjecture. We know more about Jamal Adams as a player and what he could possibly be worth on the market than we know about JD's management skills. 

 

[#27TheDominator]

Releasing? 

[heymangold]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Wait he said that?  LOL.  

Well he said basically he’d rather have Darnold and Adams instead of mahomes.  Still disagree.

[TNJet]

On 4/13/2020 at 2:13 AM, #27TheDominator said:

Sportswriter

Manish Mehta.

[Jetsfan80]

10 minutes ago, heymangold said:

Well he said basically he’d rather have Darnold and Adams instead of mahomes.  Still disagree.

Good lord that's one of the worst takes I've ever seen. 

[Creepy Lurker]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Good lord that's one of the worst takes I've ever seen. 

Well it’s even worse when you consider it was Mahomes and 3 2nd rounders vs Darnold and Adams.