Excluding QB, Jets 10 biggest offseason needs IMHO

[FidelioJet]

2,3,4,5,6, and 10 are defense.

We DON'T need defense.  We need offense.  This is an Offense league.  We literally had the worst offense in the NFL.

Top 10 needs...

QB, WR, WR, T, Guard, Guard, TE, RB, RB and WR.

To not have QB #1 on the list is absurd.

[kelly]

1 hour ago, Bronx said:

In other words, we need a team.

this  ^ ^ 

 

 

cheers ~ ~ 

[FidelioJet]

59 minutes ago, QB1 said:

Every position on offense minus LT is a need 

Yes.  And even that's debatable.  I think Becton might be better suited to RT.  

[SOJ]

4 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Superb post.

Amazes me how people don't see right tackle as a need. Fant is abysmal. The guards are also abysmal. These are the areas along with WR that I'd prioritise investment. The interior of the line has been absolutely f*ck awful since Mangold started to decline. We have to invest in it like we did with him. 

I couldn't agree more.  2 G, C? RT.  that is 4 positions right there, not including a WR, maybe TEs and another RB... then there is QB.  For F sake, build the dam team because your not going to PO next year with an entirely new coaching staff, schemes and players.  

[Warfish]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

I tend to agree, I would rather lose with an exciting offense than lose at the same rate playing boring, offense needy football

But here's the thing, we weren't a mediocre defense we were almost as bad on defense as we were on offense.  And I do believe that adding weapons, yes weapons to an offense will help as will a change to a modern offense complete with motion, quick reads etc.  

So while I see the need for a emphasis on the offense of side of the ball to get those weapons, we still need serious help at EDGE, OLB & CB 

 

3 hours ago, section314 said:

I totally agree that the O has sucked for far too long, and has to be the focus of the majority of our FA and draft. That said, if we could get a good edge guy in FA, and maybe use either #23 or # 34, on another, and the rest on OL and skill guys, I would be a very happy fella.And I bet you would be too.

Ok, I don't want to sound like an idiot or extremist saying "no Defense at all, no FA, no Draft Picks" because honestly, thats not my position.

What I'm saying is that the priority, the bulk of our most valued assets/efforts/cap space should, IMO, be spent on Offense.

If Robinson can be had at WR, or some equivalent (I'm meh on JuJu) then I want that to be our big FA Spend.  IF Edge or LB or CB can be improved with more moderate cap spend in FA, great, as long as it doesn;t hamstring us in obtaining Offense.

Same for the Draft.  #2, #23 and 1of the 3x 2nd/3rd round picks should, IMO, be spent on Offense, at least.  If every other pick is on Defense, great!  Fine, no stress.  We have alot of picks.

Here is what I REALLY don't want to see:

FA, we sign a bunch of 49'ers on Defense, and a few placeholder JAG's on Offense.  We sign no meaningful WR or RB or TE or O-line talent.

Then in the Draft, we spent those top picks on an Edge, a CB and a Safety.  We snag a 3rd round WR and a 5th round RB prospect and maybe a few late O-linemen.

Then we "stick with Sam".

If that occurs (and I believe it really could) I can only then do this:

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

 

Ok, I don't want to sound like an idiot or extremist saying "no Defense at all, no FA, no Draft Picks" because honestly, thats not my position.

What I'm saying is that the priority, the bulk of our most valued assets/efforts/cap space should, IMO, be spent on Offense.

If Robinson can be had at WR, or some equivalent (I'm meh on JuJu) then I want that to be our big FA Spend.  IF Edge or LB or CB can be improved with more moderate cap spend in FA, great, as long as it doesn;t hamstring us in obtaining Offense.

Same for the Draft.  #2, #23 and 1of the 3x 2nd/3rd round picks should, IMO, be spent on Offense, at least.  If every other pick is on Defense, great!  Fine, no stress.  We have alot of picks.

Here is what I REALLY don't want to see:

FA, we sign a bunch of 49'ers on Defense, and a few placeholder JAG's on Offense.  We sign no meaningful WR or RB or TE or O-line talent.

Then in the Draft, we spent those top picks on an Edge, a CB and a Safety.  We snag a 3rd round WR and a 5th round RB prospect and maybe a few late O-linemen.

Then we "stick with Sam".

If that occurs (and I believe it really could) I can only then do this:

Just to be clear I'm basically in total agreement.  Again, I'd rather lose putting up points, its just more fun and not nearly as depressing.  

My only call for defense is that to get corner help or EDGE players we'll have to use one of the top picks, the gift from Seattle at 23 or our 2nd round pick.  Other than that I'm all offense.  

[DetroitRed]

Next time just write,  “ we need a whole new team “

[Philc1]

Need WR, RB, TE, DE, and #1Cover corner

[Philc1]

12 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Yes.  And even that's debatable.  I think Becton might be better suited to RT.  

If we draft Sewell Becton could move to RT and dominate next 10 years

[Hael]

13 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Yes.  And even that's debatable.  I think Becton might be better suited to RT.  

Yep.  Jets need every position on the football field, other than DT, where we have good starters and quality depth.

[FidelioJet]

2 hours ago, Philc1 said:

If we draft Sewell Becton could move to RT and dominate next 10 years

I completely agree with that. But we need a QB.  

[redlichtie]

Good post @Sarge4Tide  

I think we are possibly overstating the WR position. Crowder is a solid player but no more, he’s a No3 and counting 11M against the cap and while we are not in cap difficulty I’m not sure he’s worth the money, it’s just that we have absolutely nothing else even remotely productive on the roster ....the jury remains out on Mims and there’s no way I go into a season relying on those two and Doctson.......Berrios is a non-entity, he catches punts...that’s it

We are, if people are honest, absolutely bare bones at WR.....there’s nothing there, zero dynamism or threat at all and a whole bunch of major question marks. We have to really hope that Mims takes a major leap forward and can stay healthy. It’s imperative he gets a full offseason and training camp and hits the ground running in 2021. He showed some promise for sure, he has talent but at the moment he’s just potential, I don’t think we can rely on him at all, he’s a leap of faith.

I’d get behind a higher end FA though I’m not overly wowed by the top options, Robinson will cost an absolute fortune and I’m not as impressed by Godwin as others seem to be. Golladay probably gets franchised so perhaps Corey Davis is the best of the bunch. Personally I’d look at a guy like Keelan Cole.  Either way I’m double, or even triple-dipping in the draft. I’d consider Kyle Pitts as a WR more than a TE or Ja’Marr Chase and then maybe revisit in Rd 3 or 4 with one of the speedier prospects, ideally with return ability. Specials need help too.

It really all depends on whether we trade back from two and add more draft picks or stick where we are but Pitts is an absolute miss-match waiting to happen and would provide so much flexibility to a creative play caller and schemer, which we haven’t had in forever. He’d bring excitement and a dynamic we haven’t seen in years and whoever the QB is will benefit from his presence immediately. And no, he’s not really a TE...he’s more Julio Jones than Gronkowski.....but his upside is that good.

If we stick at 2 then clearly we have less draft flexibility, and that does change things. 

JD really dropped the ball last year at WR with the failure to re-sign Robby, thinking that Perriman was in any way an adequate replacement rather than a potential compliment to RA and messing up a deep WR draft by coming away with nothing more than a project with major questions going into year 2. We have to hope he recognises his mistakes and prioritise the WR’s going forward. The position requires a complete overhaul AGAIN.

I’d have edge rusher as top priority with WR.....we absolutely must add at least 1 pass rushing specialist, we’ve neglected the position for waaay to long and you still have to put opposing QB’s under pressure . It’s difficult to tell what type of player will fit that definition in the Saleh‘Ulbrich scheme but I’m pretty certain that player is not on the roster. Basham and Franklin-Myers are simply JAGS,  situational guys at best....neither is keeping OC’s awake at night. The change to a 4-3 might unearth a player or two that is better suited to that scheme and the conventional thinking is that QW should thrive but we have to improve the pressure we put on opposing QB’s. Luvu & Huff have some potential but neither is likely a starter. Zuniga MIGHT have something as a 4-3 end 

There might be a couple of options in free agency but those top end pass rushers don’t usually make into onto the open market for a reason. Unfortunately it’s not a great year to draft one either. There’s no Chase Young or Bosa...Rousseau is the most exciting option coming out but he’s boom or bust and I think not playing in 2020 really hurts him. If he’d played last year and was even half as productive then he’d likely be in the conversation at No 2 overall.......he could drop to 23 though which might make for an interesting option. Otherwise Quincy Roche feels like the best of the rest and I’m not sure he’s a 1st round pick. 

i’m still baffled at people who want to use every pick and all our cap on adding yet more OL....we need skill players too. All those 1st round linemen in Dallas didn’t much help them this year.

The line play actually started to pick up in the final 5 or 6 games, McGovern solidified at C, the Elflein pick up was a solid addition and he seemed to be building a chemistry with both Becton & McG....we definitely need a RG and Fant could be replaced but he’s more than capable, he‘ s more competent than the “he sucks, they all suck” crowd give him credit for. People forget that more than any other unit the OL is about continuity and familiarity. It’s no coincidence that when they got healthy towards seasons end they looked better than the injury ravaged carousel of the first 10 games. By no means great, but improving.... if we add another 3 or even 4 new starters, as some are suggesting, then we just go back to square 1. That familiarity has to be rebuilt

We need to see what blocking scheme John Benton brings and how that affects things and we also need a coach with balls to either let Cameron Clark play or the coaching chops to actually teach him how to be ready to play...so tired of Bowles/Gase turtleheaded conservatism when it comes to young players....if he’s not ready to play then that’s on you...coach him.

Rant over!

we actually have some young talent in the secondary.....Marcus Maye is a must re-sign. If we improve our pass rush we’ll see better coverage. We still need a top end CB but we can do better in helping out the players we already have. 

At LB, if Blake Cashman can ever stay healthy he could flourish in a 4-3

@WarfishI get the argument that we need focus on offense and I agree I’d rather watch a team lose 31-30 than 6-3....our output on O has been putrid for way tooo long and after last year I’m tired of diabolical, dull, predictable, boring and conservative football...I want us to be fun to watch, so I totally get that people want us to just focus on the offense but we can’t totally ignore the D....it’s pretty p!ss poor back there too and it’s no fun seeing teams march up and down on us at will. We can’t keep watching as opposing QB’s stand back in a perfect pocket and wait for a target to get open....we might actually have some promising secondary players but they can’t cover forever.....I’d argue that doing something....ANYTHING...to put more pressure up front is still a high priority. Much I guess depends on the QB decision and whether we add more high round picks by dropping back from No 2 overall.

If we address the D in free agency then an offense heavy draft is all well and good but the likelihood is we can find better value in free agency on the OL and adding a running back or filling out WR depth than we can in trying to find a starting CB or edge rusher. Depending on how the draft falls if a top CB or edge rusher is sitting there when we pick we can’t afford to pass up that elite talent on D because we are dead set on drafting another OG. if that guy is Creed Humphrey or Wyatt Davis then sure, I can see the logic....but we can’t totally overlook the defense.

just my opinion 

[Jetster]

21 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

As far as S, did I miss something with Ashtyn Davis, because what I remember  is him getting owned by TE's all season.

No pass rush = completions. This is the NFL. Davis was a rookie. He was always around the action which tells me he'll get better with experience. 

[jetophile]

20 hours ago, peebag said:

2021 - the year of the offensive line rebuild.

New thriller starring Gary Oldman. I heard it got mixed reviews because the ending was too predictable.

[kelly]

12 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

Next time just write,  “ we need a whole new team “

..found one !  ?..

[sourceworx]

4 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Need WR, RB, TE, DE, and #1Cover corner

Agree. I don't think the O-Line is as bad as people think. They started to gel a bit later in the year. I'd bring in one interior lineman, but there are bigger issues elsewhere on the roster.

WR and edge rusher should be the top two priorities IMO.

[BCJet]

21 hours ago, section314 said:

Sounds like Anderson.

Main difference being Armstead is actually good and Anderson sucks. JFM is really a huge wild card for this team.  He seems like he has the ability to be an excellent DE in this system, who can then move inside next to QW on passing downs and continue his pass rushing production from last season.  It just depends if he can hold down DE on rushing downs.  

I do think we use FA more on offense and the draft on WR, OL and defense as we need a DE and a true WILL LB.  Suratt would be a good choice and the type of value with our 3rd round pick that could wind up being an elite player in this defense. 

[DetroitRed]

1 hour ago, kelly said:

..found one !  ?..

84 Niners were better.  So there

[Philc1]

5 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I completely agree with that. But we need a QB.  

Draft one at 23

[Philc1]

4 hours ago, sourceworx said:

Agree. I don't think the O-Line is as bad as people think. They started to gel a bit later in the year. I'd bring in one interior lineman, but there are bigger issues elsewhere on the roster.

WR and edge rusher should be the top two priorities IMO.

Our OL is average.  If we draft Sewell it goes from average to top 3

[FidelioJet]

45 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Draft one at 23

So, just draft one? Just whatever?

You don't mess around with QB.  You take the best you can, as early as you have to.

[football guy]

1. LEO/EDGE RUSHER (need 2): I think this is by far the Jets biggest need. They only have 2 under contract (Zuniga, Huff) and neither are prepared to be starters. Beyond that, Zuniga doesn't even seem to be a true wide DE. It's among the hardest positions to fill and more often than not they require premium investment ($ or draft pick). Teams usually try to get lucky and draft guys in rounds 3-7 (or create a pipeline for development), but it's not often you find a top pass rusher outside of the top 2 rounds. It's also not common to find them in free agency, but this year will be different due to salary cap restrictions. Look for a significant investment to be made in rounds 1-2, FA/trade, or both. 
2. Z WIDE RECEIVER (need 2): The Jets have picked the right two years to need WRs. Last year they scooped up Denzel Mims at the end of round 2, which I think has the potential to be a steal... I do wonder how he will fit in this offense, as he's best as a vertical threat, but a full offseason should give us a better indication what he can be as a route runner. This year, it's looking like the best FA class of WRs ever and an equally strong draft class. They will look to add a marquee WR in free agency (particularly Godwin), but if that falls through they will likely shift their attention to the tier 2 guys (Samuel). I fully expect them to sign 1-2 WRs and draft 1-2... ideally they will add a true movement-Z and a versatile X/Y/Z. Jamison Crowder, on the last year of his deal, is not the greatest fit in this offense. Coupled with Berrios, who is the more affordable option and may have snaps carved out for him in a specialty role in addition to being the primary PR, it wouldn't surprise me if the Jets opted to trade Crowder... it's something to keep an eye on. 
3. STRONG-SIDE LINEBACKER: Linebackers are going to be more important this year than they've been in the past 15 years. The Jets will use more traditional strong-side, weak-side, and middle linebackers as opposed to tweeners, which means they will need to find versatile outside LBs who can cover and play on 3 downs. They don't have a single SLB under contract and the SLB is expected to play 60-80% of the snaps, if not more. They'll need to address this position in FA and/or the draft.
4. CORNERBACK: Corner is a need, but I don't think it's as big of a need as we think it is. It's a premium position so you're always going to invest highly in them, but the Jets have to feel good about what they saw in Hall. Austin at the very least should play better in the new scheme. Guidry looks like he can be a player in this league. There will be some bargain free agents to be had and the draft is littered with late day 1/day 2 talent so I expect the unit to look totally different, but I don't think this unit requires as much attention as the top 3 do. 
5. WEAK-SIDE LINEBACKER: Blake Cashman is the only traditional WLB under contract, and he can't stay healthy and the rest of the guys under contract are barely roster worthy. Cashman has real talent and Saleh is thought to be fond of him, but the biggest question remains: can he stay healthy? The WLB doesn't play as much as the SLB, and the scheme will replace this player with additional DBs often, but its something they will have to address. 
6. TIGHT END: The TE is going to be extremely important in the scheme. They are used all over the formation, but mostly inline and in the slot in place of a WR. It could lead to the resurgence of Chris Herndon (who is still young, talented, and has played best in a similar scheme), the acquisition of a highly talented player in FA/draft, or both. The Jets still think highly of Herndon, but he's coming off a rough 2 years and is on the last year of his contract. 2 TEs have a place in this offense, so I think this will be a priority on draft-day. 
7. OFFENSIVE GUARD: I know people would think this should be higher on the list, but the wide zone puts a little less pressure on offensive lineman and gets the most out of the Greg Van Roten types. Still, I think the Jets will toy with making this a priority, and will look to upgrade if a better option becomes available. Lewis/GVR/Elflein should be competing with a newcomer for the 2 starting spots. 
8. H-BACK: believe it or not, the FB will be a primary need for the Jets. Think Kyle Juscyzk type. I think they'll look to add one in the draft with some competition in free agency. Jusczyk could be an option (he spends his offseasons in Long Island) but it sounds like he really wants to return to SF. 
9. MIDDLE LINEBACKER: This kind of should be bunched in with the outside LBs. You want guys who can be versatile, and there's no telling how CJ Mosley will be... 
10. KICKER: If you have 3 kickers on your roster it probably means you don't have one. At the very least, they need to add competition.